Rome 2036

[iceman530]

Ive read a few articles on Rome having interest too.  Now THIS one would fit like a glove.  I think everyone and their mom would want to see a 2036 games in Rome.  (well.......except the Rome citizens themselves, but plenty of hosting cities regularly have debbie downers)

[StefanMUC]

9 minutes ago, iceman530 said:

Ive read a few articles on Rome having interest too.  Now THIS one would fit like a glove.  I think everyone and their mom would want to see a 2036 games in Rome.  (well.......except the Rome citizens themselves, but plenty of hosting cities regularly have debbie downers)

Or the ones from cities/countries bidding for that year too…

[iceman530]

8 minutes ago, StefanMUC said:

Or the ones from cities/countries bidding for that year too…

Yeah I think 2036 was getting true "outsider vibes" until this news came on.  I was mentally preparing for Qatar.  This would be a welcome change of things

[StefanMUC]

Well, I’ll be a bit less enthusiastic.

Any successful Italian summer bid would completely destroy German hopes for hosting not only in 2036, but also 2040 and very likely 2044 as well, if not even 2048. 

Quite frankly, I’ll be honest to say Italy can  queue up behind us for a time.

[iceman530]

11 minutes ago, StefanMUC said:

Well, I’ll be a bit less enthusiastic.

Any successful Italian summer bid would completely destroy German hopes for hosting not only in 2036, but also 2040 and very likely 2044 as well, if not even 2048. 

Quite frankly, I’ll be honest to say Italy can  queue up behind us for a time.

ohhhh I didnt even read the username info :p I can understand that mindset.  Munich is my favorite German city hands down, and Ayinger my favorite beer.  If they locked it in, I wouldn't be mad.  Its just good to have more palatable options throwing their hat in the rink.

[sebastien1214]

If Italy hadn't hosted the Winter Games in 2006 and 2026, I would have argued for Rome over Germany for 2036/2040. And I would love to see the Olympics in Rome in my lifetime. But as it is, they've had too much of the pie over the last two decades, even if it's "only" the Winter Games.

[yoshi]

And this is why - while fully understanding the reluctance some have - Germany absolutely cannot afford to just miss out 2036 because they think it'll go to Doha & anyway 2040 will fall in their lap. It won't. As I've said before, the de facto 12 year continental cycle works well in the sad absence of African contenders, so 2036 & 48 would be in line for Europe - plus even if that's not a factor, I'm not sure the IOC will hugely want to go to Doha right now. India haven't helped themselves either with the cricket shenanigans.

And now we have another European city in a country that's just shown itself as a highly successful & enthusiastic host. And it's probably the only city in the world that could rival Paris for potential venues. I would still choose Germany over Rome if nothing else because Italy has hosted two Olympics already this century & Germany still none - but make no mistake, this is a serious rival. I feel like this is now Germany's time to decide on 36 - & if it's yes, commit properly. After all Rome will, so if that commitment isn't there, it'll be hard to say no to Rome...

[baron-pierreIV]

Rome, Athens, Madrid, Barcelona, Casablanca -- now all TOO HOT in the summer!!  

[FYI]

By the time 2036 comes around, the whole world will probably be all too hot in the summer anyway.

While I get the some of the sentiment here that Germany hasn't hosted recently, while Italy has (even though it's been for two winter Olympics), Olympic hostings aren't always exactly linear. Just ask Paris 2012 that.

As the old saying goes around here, though; "you (also) have to be in it to win it". But if Germany is going to tip-toe around this (because of concerns about what 2036 could mean for them) & someone else credible was to come along (i.e. Italy) who was serious, it's not like the IOC shouldn't pay any attention to that.

If Germany wants it, great. But make your case absolutely known. If not, then I wouldn't at all mind if Rome was to come in & sweep it (I think setting wise, they would give Paris 2024 a run for it's money). If India is really not up to the task, & Doha is still questionable even to the IOC, then someone else still has to host. They just have to seriously raise their hand. 

And while conventional wisdom use to dictate that back-to-back Olympics on the same continent use to be a no-no, we're starting to see now that doesn't matter as much anymore (i.e 2018, [2020ne], 2022 - 2026/2030). So who's to say we can't have Germany 2040 after Rome 2036. Olympic times are different now, & the IOC is demonstrating now that it can be flexible when it needs to be for it's own survival.

[StefanMUC]

The pool of potential winter hosts/continents is much smaller though, so back to back there is more likely.

[FYI]

Yeah, sure. But who?

Let's take a closer look at that:

Some are saying that India is just not up to the task because it needs so much work. So will an extra four years really make that much of a difference in their case? 

And the IOC basically told Indonesia, 'thanks, but no thanks'. China? I'm sure that the IOC wants to take a break from them for a while. Japan? After Tokyo 2020ne left a sour taste in their mouth? So that leaves basically just South Korea in Asia. And I'm not so sure the IOC would be so keen in going there anytime soon (I think they would be a "just in case" back-up if anything).

Latin America? After Rio 2016 was always on pins & needles, not so sure the IOC is willing to return there anytime soon. As far as Africa is concerned, really only South Africa could make a credible case, & even in their case, it would be a risk.

North America already has 2028 & Australia 2032. So that leaves no one else that would be really credible. After that, I think it can be looked at by a country-by-country basis, even if they're on the same continent.

 

[BigVic]

They'll be backlash if they cover the swimming stadium which is an iconic venue and structure. 

[Roger87]

If Rome is serious, Europe has 2036 lol. 

[baron-pierreIV]

I'm thinking 2036 will be Germany; then Durban-RSA for 2040 (since 2 southern hemisphere OGs can't follow each other.  

Actually, Durban, being by the sea. supposedly has a salubrious climate in the southern hemisphere winter = "northern summer."  It will be winter-ish in Capetown and Jo-burg, so RSA will have a kinder and ideal climate for the ideal July-August window of the north.  So, indoor/gym sports for Capetown and Joburg and the open-air events for Durban -- if RSA gets its act together.  

They're going to have their favored candidates for 2036 by next year; and probably formally named in 2028 since that would only be 8 years left (which would be enough time for a Euro/German bid.)  Events this week kill any Qatar and Turkey Olympic dreams for the next 15 years.  

[cube]

@baron-pierreIV 

 

i think you totally overrate the impact/power of a German bid.

For me - if Rome is serious about - Germany will not stand a chance 

[sebastien1214]

59 minutes ago, cube said:

@baron-pierreIV 

 

i think you totally overrate the impact/power of a German bid.

For me - if Rome is serious about - Germany will not stand a chance 

I think you're doing... exactly the same thing with Germany too, underestimating its chances.

Rome vs. Munich (I think Munich is currently the most likely city for a German bid) is a 50/50 chance. The fact that Italy has hosted two Winter Games in the 21st century will work against it. Furthermore, Munich's bid is currently much further along than Rome's.

[cfm Jeremie]

Difficult to make any educated guess until the rules of the Games are known.

But for sure if Roma (even if they can build upon the 2024 bid, it is still very preliminary talk at the moment) and Germany were to bid against each other (and against Doha, India, Istanbul…) we might have one of the most exciting race… since 2005 I would say.

[FYI]

6 hours ago, sebastien1214 said:

The fact that Italy has hosted two Winter Games in the 21st century will work against it.

Yes, of course. But then again, one would've thought that Turin 2006 should've worked against Milan (Cortina) 2026.

6 hours ago, sebastien1214 said:

Furthermore, Munich's bid is currently much further along than Rome's.

I think this is neither here nor there. Milan 2026 was a late entrant compared to all the other (ultimately withdrawn) bids, minus Stockholm.

Paris 2024 was also another late entrant, because at the time, it was so "will they bid, or won't they", because they were too leery about another loss. 

While Munich may be ahead at this point, until they get selected & have the full-backing of the DOSB, it's still anyone's (serious) game at this juncture.

[baron-pierreIV]

Rome's sporting infrastructure is soooo OLD!  Have they built any state-of-the-art stadia/arenas since 1960?  NO. 

What are the closest Italian cities with indoor stadia w/ 15K - 18K capacities for basketball?  Gymnastics?  Indoor Volleyball?  Handball?  Rome will need to build a whole new sports city with at least 4 major venues, then a whole new Olympic Village (which I am sure could come in handy).   How about Table Tennis at the Sistine Chapel?  🤪 Beach Volleyball in St. Peter's Square??  🤪 Rowing will probably be back at Lake Albano. 

[yoshi]

I'd imagine Rome would mostly use the Paris model for the outdoor sports - possibly the only city in the world that could host an Olympics to rival Paris for scenic venues in the city. I'd certainly expect something like the urban sports, maybe beach volleyball as well, at the Circus Maximus. 

[Sir Rols]

Nothing about either Rome or Munich/Germany is detailed enough to get any sense of which would be more likely to win, or succeed. Maybe in a year’s time we’ll have a better idea.

Meanwhile, I think we also need to wait for Kirsty’s Fit for the Future report in June to get a sense of how the dynamics will shape the 2036 race.

[yoshi]

Good point. It's possible they might not even need all those indoor venues at all...

(... the French Alps will need to find them instead. From somewhere )

[baron-pierreIV]

6 hours ago, yoshi said:

Good point. It's possible they might not even need all those indoor venues at all...

(... the French Alps will need to find them instead. From somewhere )

If you're saying that Rome might not need them . . .  and if the other cities MOST CERTAINLY will have them -- so why should they give it to Rome?  Have you ever been in a still, windless Roman summer night?  Right now, the SF Bay Area is experiencing a "heat spell" unlike any that has hit the Bay Area in the middle of March -- and it is STIFLING in some areas.  Remember, already in 1960, 66 years ago, they ran the Rome 1960 marathon at, I think, 9pm (it was still bright) at night.  And when it got dark, to light the way. they had torches placed like, I think every 200 yards instead of lamps.  Luckily, the Romans never saw the pollution those more than 1,000 kerosene-burning torches lighting the marathon way, burned into the Roman night. 🫢  (See 5:52 on the attached video for the torches lining the finish part of the route.)  Italian soldiers held the torches.  

Looking back at that race, they didn't even have the (normally) blue line that the course has to follow (and which is now essential considering a few major races recently have led to runners taking the wrong turn).  

 

Edited March 19 by baron-pierreIV

[yoshi]

The sports they'd host might be in a different Olympics by then if the rumours are right 

[baron-pierreIV]

21 hours ago, yoshi said:

The sports they'd host might be in a different Olympics by then if the rumours are right 

Do you mean, like eGames?  But those would have to be in indoor A/Ced stadia -- which, does the Eternal City even have one? Oh wait, they had one smallish indoor arena from 1960 (which might have been for basketball) which could be upgraded.  But otherwise, they used sites like the Caracalla Baths for, I think, wrestling -- or was it gymnastics?  I imagine to had to update the plumbing at least in the toilets.  Does Rome even have a large Convention Center?  I mean I could look it up, but feeing too lazy.