South American or African bids.

[Fernando Joaquim]

 Just as an exercise of imagination,my friends:

 Which cities do you you think that are capable to host the Olympics in the areas indicated above?I really think about Santiago or Lima in South America and Cape Town in Africa.

 

 Cheers from Brazil.....

[Guilga]

Oi, do Brasil também!

I would wish a new olympic bid for Brasil around the 2040s or 50s. Our country is the one big enough to do a Games of the Olympiad in this continent, mostly because we already did it. But, for an new country entering the fray? Santiago and Lima are interesting takes, but i feel that Assunción is taking a similar path to ours, building up from the Juniors to the Seniors PanAms like we did with the Panams to the Olympics in Rio, with a bonus for getting paraguayan prepresentation at the spheres of sport politics, president of Comnebol coming to mind right now.

As for Africa, after Durban withdrew their Commonwealth Games, the continent olympic hopes were kinda frozen. If the YOG in Dakar is sucessful or if Abuja gets 2034 Commonwealth, we might have a ressurgence of the African Host at the table...But i wouldn't be surprised if our first african host were from North Africa, like Morroco.

[Sir Rols]

Ultimately, for South America and Africa, it all boils down to economics and scale of civilian infrastructure as to where or when they might host again. There really don’t seem to be any obvious contenders in the short to near term.

I struggle to see Asuncion able to shoulder the burden of a full scale Olympics any time soon. The second-tier games (Pan-Ams, YOGs, Commonwealth Games) aren’t really that much of a reliable foundation towards the big games (and I still have my doubts about Asuncion even handling the Pan-Ams). Brazil again, maybe Santiago or Buenos Aires (if Argentina ever gets its economy back on track) would seem to be the likeliest long term contenders at the moment.

As for Africa, I agree with @Guilga, North Africa is probably the more likely bet to host first. Specifically as there does seem to be a sentiment, including in the IOC, to get an African host. South of the Sahara, I don’t think Dakar or Abuja are legitimate contenders - as I said, the Olympics are a scale of magnitudes more difficult to host than the lesser tier games. South Africa still seems to be the only potential contender there, but it’s still hard to feel confidence in their capabilities or will to do so.

[yoshi]

Morocco seems to be spending a huge amount of money on stadiums for 2030. They obviously consider sport & hosting major events in general a priority, so I'm surprised they haven't already made moves. As an African country (& an Islamic one without the baggage of Saudi or Qatar) that's still in the same timezone as - & extremely close to - Europe, I think if Morocco made serious noises about 36 they'd become the big favourite very quickly. With India waiting for its Commonwealth Games rehearsal, Germany still frustratingly hesitant, Spain silent & Turkey risky, they'd be kicking at an open door. 

Edited October 17, 2025 by yoshi

[Rob2012]

11 hours ago, yoshi said:

Morocco seems to be spending a huge amount of money on stadiums for 2030. They obviously consider sport & hosting major events in general a priority, so I'm surprised they haven't already made moves.

I guess their focus in recent years has been fully on getting (and now hosting) the world cup, which as you say is a big enough thing on its own terms for them to concentrate on. And I'm not sure how politically wise an Olympic bid would be in the near future given...

On 10/2/2025 at 1:50 PM, Rob2012 said:

Been a long while since we've seen anything like this around a sporting event. A decade or more ago with the build up to Brazil 2014 maybe?

 

 

Edited October 18, 2025 by Rob2012

[Rob2012]

OK, I've been on this forum long enough and I've only just noticed this, but is there really no way of changing the date format on posts? I didn't say that on the 10th of February:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[stryker]

On 10/17/2025 at 11:17 AM, Fernando Joaquim said:

 Just as an exercise of imagination,my friends:

 Which cities do you you think that are capable to host the Olympics in the areas indicated above?I really think about Santiago or Lima in South America and Cape Town in Africa.

 

 Cheers from Brazil.....

In short, there's not a single city in either South America or Africa that is capable of single-handedly hosting the Olympics even with the encouragement of using existing venues and spreading competition further out geographically. Forget about either Santiago or Lima. Both struggled in preparations for the Pan Ams and those are peanuts compared the Olympics. It goes beyond venues as well. Places like Cape Town, Lima, Santiago, and Morocco would need significant investments in infrastructure including transportation and hotels, not to mention soaring security costs. Then there`s the question of legacy. The biggest issue is cost. Milan-Cortina is having a last-minute rush to complete the sliding track and the main ice hockey arena (a test event for December has been canceled already). The budget for Brisbane is ballooning. If a country like Italy struggles with prep, then I doubt a country like Peru, South Africa (which is practically broke anyway) or Chile could undertake such a large event.

This is why we have the Youth Olympic Games. They can be held in cities like Dakar and Buenos Aires, cities just not up to par for the big one. To use an American reference, it's like the junior varsity and the varsity. The YOGs are the JV version. The Olympics are the varsity event. Places like Santiago and Casablanca would be ideal YOGs hosts as would Cape Town. The only way I think it would be even remotely possible for a country in Africa to host, would be a nation-wide bid or if the IOC ever wanted to return to South America (Rio's 2016 Olympics really hurt that prospect, Rio could not even beat out Asuncion for the Pan Ams) there would need to be a multicity hosting approach (Rio with Niteroi and Sao Paulo?)

[Fernando Joaquim]

 First of all,as I'm still learning how to answer directly to the people,I apologize for any mistakes in this thread....

 @Guilga: que legal encontrar um compatriota por aqui-espero que conversemos bastante...Regarding Asunción, I fear that the city has already peaked in terms of spending on sports events, even with the help of the national government. This is in contrast to Rio between 2007 and 2016. I have read that the 2031 Pan American Games will probably be a return to the 'romantic era', smaller and more intimate than the editions between 2007 and 2027. I really hope that Asunción will prove me wrong, as I love the Pan American Games. If they cannot host an event of the same size as previous editions, I hope to see a well-organised event in its own right. For the above reasons, I think that Lima or Santiago could provide a more robust structure. However, I understand your point about our Paraguayan friends....

[Fernando Joaquim]

 @Guilga Regarding African matters, I considered South Africa because of the protests in Morocco regarding expenditure on the 2030 World Cup and Cape Town's previous bid. In my opinion, emerging economies tend to support Olympic bids from cities that best represent their country's image to the world (yes, I'm talking about Rio). Indeed, I also saw a realistic African bid as being far from 2036 and perhaps a tentative step towards a bid for 2040. In general, do you think a North African bid could be seen as too close to Europe? I know it may sound paradoxical, but choosing a sub-Saharan town could send a message to cities further from the Olympic centre of power that they could be considered. potential hosts, thus enlarging the field?

[Fernando Joaquim]

@Sir Rols Enlarging the discussion,in the topic about the structure needed to host the Olympics:with the Coventry presidency,do you think that these,really,really,really necessary structure subject can bee,in a certain term,overlook in it's weight in the bids' evaluations???I mean,in some parts of the world,the economical burden of the candidatures(and hosting) the Games can be seen as a necessary spenditure to project the image of a global city(and the country),facing less resistance in the political realm???? (just to be clear:I don't think it is the morally right path,but,in the end of the day,strange things happens in the world)

[sebastien1214]

On America in general: I think there's a better chance that we'll have the Games held in Mexico City again, before seeing them again in South America. So, sure, Mexico isn't South America, but since it's Latin America, I imagine it could be a good compromise. (And I believe, if I'm not mistaken, that Mexico's economic situation is still much better than that of Brazil or Argentina; the security issue remains to be seen, but 2026 will already give us a good indicator on that).

On Africa: today, there are really only Morocco and, a little behind, South Africa who could legitimately think about it at least a little seriously, but the challenges remain great. In addition to the economic and political situation of these two countries, which you have already mentioned, I will add another "problem" (but which in fact today is almost no longer a concern thanks to the precedents created by the future Winter Games): I think that Morocco would prefer to hold games on a national scale, with several clusters in Rabat, Casablanca, Agadir, etc., rather than concentrating everything on a single city. This is obviously something that may seem like heresy to many of us, but if we want to make the Games more universal (and therefore allow more countries to host them), it will also involve agreeing to hold multi-city Games in the summer as well, and not just in the winter.

[Fernando Joaquim]

@stryker At what point do you think the IOC could be 'softer' on these points regarding bids from emerging countries? In a scenario where there are just a few bids from richer countries on the table (let's say 2040, not 2036)... Regarding a multicity approach, I have a few thoughts on the Rio-Niteroi 2031 bid for the Pan American Games: the Brazilian NOC changed its presidency in the months prior to the election, and the general feeling here is that the last bid for 2031 was a stepping stone to a more realistic future bid, perhaps in São Paulo, the economic centre of our country (even more so when we consider the political weight of Asunción's main figures).

[Fernando Joaquim]

@Rob2012@yoshi Thanks for your replies. I thought that a topic posted by a newcomer could not be answered by such experienced users.... 

[Fernando Joaquim]

@sebastien1214 Regarding the allocation of sports in clusters in multicity bids, I think it's a path that the Games are already following (in a more radical way, as you said, in the Winter Games), but I really wish this path would be combined with other measures, such as hypothetically downgrading venue requirements, so the Olympics can be spread across a region,but not whole countries or in continental distancies (with the exception of some sports, such as sailing, surfing or football, for example). I love the concept of the Olympic City, not just because of tradition, but because of the spirit it brings to the local area...And thanks for your thoughts and reply...

[Roger87]

1 hour ago, sebastien1214 said:

On America in general: I think there's a better chance that we'll have the Games held in Mexico City again, before seeing them again in South America. So, sure, Mexico isn't South America, but since it's Latin America, I imagine it could be a good compromise. (And I believe, if I'm not mistaken, that Mexico's economic situation is still much better than that of Brazil or Argentina; the security issue remains to be seen, but 2026 will already give us a good indicator on that).

On Africa: today, there are really only Morocco and, a little behind, South Africa who could legitimately think about it at least a little seriously, but the challenges remain great. In addition to the economic and political situation of these two countries, which you have already mentioned, I will add another "problem" (but which in fact today is almost no longer a concern thanks to the precedents created by the future Winter Games): I think that Morocco would prefer to hold games on a national scale, with several clusters in Rabat, Casablanca, Agadir, etc., rather than concentrating everything on a single city. This is obviously something that may seem like heresy to many of us, but if we want to make the Games more universal (and therefore allow more countries to host them), it will also involve agreeing to hold multi-city Games in the summer as well, and not just in the winter.

One advantage of Mexico City is the infrastructure legacy. Even as old as 1968, many of the venues are still used and readapted in current guidelines. And Mexico City is actually safer than some of the USA cities like Chicago or Baltimore. But so far, is more about the work of 2026 first. 

As for Africa, even with protests, I still voted first Morocco than South Africa (if there's to pick one obvious). 

[Guilga]

6 hours ago, Fernando Joaquim said:

 First of all,as I'm still learning how to answer directly to the people,I apologize for any mistakes in this thread....

 @Guilga: que legal encontrar um compatriota por aqui-espero que conversemos bastante...Regarding Asunción, I fear that the city has already peaked in terms of spending on sports events, even with the help of the national government. This is in contrast to Rio between 2007 and 2016. I have read that the 2031 Pan American Games will probably be a return to the 'romantic era', smaller and more intimate than the editions between 2007 and 2027. I really hope that Asunción will prove me wrong, as I love the Pan American Games. If they cannot host an event of the same size as previous editions, I hope to see a well-organised event in its own right. For the above reasons, I think that Lima or Santiago could provide a more robust structure. However, I understand your point about our Paraguayan friends....

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5 hours ago, Fernando Joaquim said:

 @Guilga Regarding African matters, I considered South Africa because of the protests in Morocco regarding expenditure on the 2030 World Cup and Cape Town's previous bid. In my opinion, emerging economies tend to support Olympic bids from cities that best represent their country's image to the world (yes, I'm talking about Rio). Indeed, I also saw a realistic African bid as being far from 2036 and perhaps a tentative step towards a bid for 2040. In general, do you think a North African bid could be seen as too close to Europe? I know it may sound paradoxical, but choosing a sub-Saharan town could send a message to cities further from the Olympic centre of power that they could be considered. potential hosts, thus enlarging the field?

An North African bid would be fine reguardless of geographical proximity of Europe in my opinion, because, if nothing else, North Africa and Europe have totally different cultures in play. If anything, being close to Europe could be seen as a plus depending of the IOC member.

5 hours ago, Fernando Joaquim said:

@Sir Rols Enlarging the discussion,in the topic about the structure needed to host the Olympics:with the Coventry presidency,do you think that these,really,really,really necessary structure subject can bee,in a certain term,overlook in it's weight in the bids' evaluations???I mean,in some parts of the world,the economical burden of the candidatures(and hosting) the Games can be seen as a necessary spenditure to project the image of a global city(and the country),facing less resistance in the political realm???? (just to be clear:I don't think it is the morally right path,but,in the end of the day,strange things happens in the world)

The New Norm, and Brisbane 2032 as it pilot, seemed to be going a similar path revolving lessening the structural requirements in the venues, at the very least, if i'm recalling right. For a while, they even touted using the Brisbane 1982 Commonwealth Games stadium for athletics, but that has since changed to the Victoria Park project(turns out you cant cheapen out certain things). Our resident australians can tell you the tales better, in particular at the Brisbane 2032 thread. 

[Sir Rols]

6 hours ago, Fernando Joaquim said:

@Sir Rols Enlarging the discussion,in the topic about the structure needed to host the Olympics:with the Coventry presidency,do you think that these,really,really,really necessary structure subject can bee,in a certain term,overlook in it's weight in the bids' evaluations???I mean,in some parts of the world,the economical burden of the candidatures(and hosting) the Games can be seen as a necessary spenditure to project the image of a global city(and the country),facing less resistance in the political realm???? (just to be clear:I don't think it is the morally right path,but,in the end of the day,strange things happens in the world)

I’d say it even goes beyond the physical infrastructure… which is burdenous enough - 30+ world championships all happening simultaneously and requiring acceptable venues, transport networks able to handle huge passenger flows and a large accomodation requirement for competitors and spectators. It also requires a robust and large economy behind that able to support revenue raising from domestic sponsorships, ticketing and marketing. Then the security apparatus - from the police up to the intelligence services and the army, to safeguard the sudden influx of locals and visitors. It’s more than just saying you’ve got the facilities in place to handle lots of sports, it’s about having the ability to handle an unprecedented surge in civil and economic activity way beyond the normal.

[Fernando Joaquim]

18 hours ago, Roger87 said:

One advantage of Mexico City is the infrastructure legacy. Even as old as 1968, many of the venues are still used and readapted in current guidelines. And Mexico City is actually safer than some of the USA cities like Chicago or Baltimore. But so far, is more about the work of 2026 first. 

As for Africa, even with protests, I still voted first Morocco than South Africa (if there's to pick one obvious). 

 As far back as 1975,Mexico City had the capacity to host the PanAm Games in an emergency,after São Paulo declined it's rights as host city,after an outbreak of meningitis(in fact,it was happen a few years before,in the countryland,but the military dictatorship tried to hide and control it)....Ten years after that a devastating earthquake destroyed large areas of Mexico City,but,even that,the government managed to hold the host rights.....(I really admire Mexican people for it's resilience)....Even if these events had grown in such a gargantuous way,do you think that previous experience could help Mexico City in a future bid????(as I said in the beginning of this topic,just as a matter of imagination,of course)....

 @Roger87

 

[stryker]

On 10/20/2025 at 2:55 PM, Fernando Joaquim said:

@stryker At what point do you think the IOC could be 'softer' on these points regarding bids from emerging countries? In a scenario where there are just a few bids from richer countries on the table (let's say 2040, not 2036)... Regarding a multicity approach, I have a few thoughts on the Rio-Niteroi 2031 bid for the Pan American Games: the Brazilian NOC changed its presidency in the months prior to the election, and the general feeling here is that the last bid for 2031 was a stepping stone to a more realistic future bid, perhaps in São Paulo, the economic centre of our country (even more so when we consider the political weight of Asunción's main figures).

I think the IOC has already gone "softer" by allowing competition to occur at existing venues over a wider geographic area. There's also the issue of specific and troublesome venues like the cycling velodrome and whitewater course which offers little practical use following an Olympics. Given the number of venues still required, many African and South American hosts would still need to build or extensively renovate many venues to bring them up to Olympic caliber. If there is even one bid from a wealthier nation along the likes of China, somewhere in Western Europe, the U.S., Japan, Korea, or Australia (India maybe in they can get the CWGs right), then I think that any bid from an emerging country like South Africa, Chile, or Argentina is dead in the water.

[Roger87]

Not because it has a lot of chances, but imagine Chile having an openly Pinocheist and son of a proper Nazi soldier who escaped like rat as new President...

[SportLightning]

Morocco possibly in Casablanca.