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it's not an accusation it's my thought

btw. why should i shut up when in here there's plenty of people HATING my country (and of course i'm touched by that) just 4 nothing?

I don't know whether you mean also me. But I can assure you: In my case, you really shouldn't make such generalisations and think that I hate your whole country just because I'm critical about your squadra.

I'm fond of Italian lifestyle and cuisine, I love the passion of the Italian people, I love the enrichment Italian workers brought to our culture in Germany -- and I was and still am very positive about your great Turin 2006 Winter Games.

The only things I'm critical about is about at least a part of your football team and of the way your country deals with its fascist past. It would be absolutely unimaginable that a German football players shows the Hitler greeting once on a football field and then even gets the chance to repeat that. Those are topics which enrage me a lot. But it's really not the whole country as such.

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it's not an accusation it's my thought

btw. why should i shut up when in here there's plenty of people HATING my country (and of course i'm touched by that) just 4 nothing? the most of you/them don't accuse a people or an act. just take us all as a whole. it would like thinking all the americans are stupid coz bush is. or all the english are rude coz prince philip is.

i can't stand anymore a mood like this.

Where on earth has anyone said something like that? Materazzi is being criticised, and in my opinion rightly so, but as far as I can see, nobody is having a pop at Italy as a whole. Get a grip.

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Zinedine Zidane apologizes for his actions last Sunday,but he has no regrets!!

From the BBC Sports News website:

I'M SORRY BUT NO REGRETS - Zidane

Zidane has spoken about his sending-off for the first time

Zinedine Zidane has apologised for his headbutt on Italian defender Marco Materazzi in Sunday's World Cup final.

But the French legend does not regret his actions, alleging on television that Materazzi provoked him by insulting both his mother and sister.

"It was inexcusable. I apologise," said the 34-year-old Zidane. "But I can't regret what I did because it would mean that he was right to say all that."

Materazzi responded by denying he said anything about Zidane's mother.

"I didn't mention anything about religion, politics or racism," said the Italian on Wednesday.

"I didn't insult his mother. I lost my mother when I was 15 years old and still get emotional when I talk about it.

"Naturally, I didn't know that his mother was in hospital but I wish her all the best.

"Zidane is my hero and I have always admired him a lot."

Zidane was sent off for headbutting Materazzi in the chest in the second period of extra-time in the final in Berlin.

The Frenchman claimed he had been provoked by the Italian and appeared on French TV station Canal Plus on Wednesday to explain his actions.

Zidane explains:

"It was seen by two or three billion people on television and millions and millions of children were watching," he said.

"It was an inexcusable gesture and to them, and the people in education whose job it is to show children what they should and shouldn't do, I want to apologise."

Asked what had caused to react so violently, he said Materazzi had directed some "very hard words" at him.

"You hear them once and you try to move away. But then you hear them twice, and then a third time," said Zidane.

"I am a man and some words are harder to hear than actions. I would rather have taken a blow to the face than hear that."

WHAT WAS SAID?

BBC Radio Five Live asked a deaf lip reader to read Materazzi's words phonetically to an Italian translator:

She deciphered the insult as being "you're the son of a terrorist whore"

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The BBC's Ten O'Clock News called in experts to study the television footage who said:

Materazzi told Zidane to "calm down" before accusing him of being a "liar" and wished "an ugly death to you and your family". This was followed by "Go f*** yourself"

Zidane, who retired from football after Sunday's final, also called for Materazzi to be punished for his part in the incident.

"We always talk about the reaction, and obviously it must be punished. But if there is no provocation, there is no need to react," said the former Real Madrid and Juventus player.

"Above all it was a very serious provocation. It was an inexcusable gesture but the real culprit is the person who provoked it.

"Do you imagine that in a World Cup final like that with just 10 minutes to go to the end of my career, I am going to do something like that because it gives me pleasure?"

Since the incident, rumours have run rife about what Materazzi said to get such a reaction from the Frenchman.

There were claims the Italian had called Zidane a "terrorist", but in Tuesday's edition of the Italian newspaper La Gazetta dello Sport, Materazzi said: "It was the kind of insult you will hear dozens of times and just slips out on the field.

"I didn't call Zidane a terrorist and certainly didn't mention his mother. I did not bring up Zidane's mother; for me a mother is sacred."

Zinedine Zidane's last professional game ended with a red card

Zidane, who was born and grew up in Marseille, is the son of Algerian immigrants and has suffered taunts about his heritage throughout his football career.

The two players initially clashed in the Italian penalty area before words were exchanged.

Materazzi said: "I held his shirt, for only a few seconds. He turned towards me and scoffed at me, looking at me with super arrogance, up and down.

"He said 'if you really want my shirt, you can have it later.' It's true, I shot back with an insult."

Fifa is to investigate Zidane's sending-off while Fifa president Sepp Blatter has hinted the France star could be stripped of his World Cup best player award.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/w...006/5169342.stm

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I don't go in for this stripping Italy of their title stuff, otherwise who else would be worthy winners out of the dull matches we saw? I agree with Rob on this one. However, whilst I condemn totally Zidane's actions, I cannot see Materazzi as blameless in this. It just makes a total farce of Fifa's fair play and say no to racism schemes. I for one would like to see Materazzi admit what he said and then accept 'some' punishment for it. If we want to eradicate this 'sledging' and other non-fair play things from the game, why not start here?

Zidane did wrong, but so did MAterazzi. Nobody doesn't react to nipple twisting and obvious insults, then just 1 more inslut does it. The final insult had to be bad. OR, the majority of the insults were bad, and the final one was maybe not that bad but at least the final straw...

Anyway, this is all very amusing, but I would rather start talking about Euro 2008 qualifying than go on about this now. Fifa will probably only punish Zidane (which is deserved but pointless) and ignore Materazzi. They will continue on the Fair play and Anti-racism campaign, but in real life do absolutely nothing cos they have no backbone - the useless w*nkers

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I still call on FIFA to strip that dirty, cheating, play-acting, corrupt, rotten scum squad of that title they undeservedly and falsely claimed and all of their records from the cup, including qualifications. To go even further, disqualify them from Euro 2008. It's the ONLY way to send a major message about racism and fascism in soccer. What better time than now. Also, fine the Italian soccer federation in millions of dollars (or euros) while issuing red cards and massive club suspensions to the players, particularly Mattarazzi. Let them suffer big time where it hurts!

If FIFA cannot bring themselves to award the trophy to runners-up France, then either play the game over without the suspended players or award it to possibly Germany, Portugal, or Brazil.

Come on Mattarazzi, you stupid rascist coward. :angry: You don't have to be anti-minority to be racist. Are you afraid of what FIFA is going to do to you since you won't say what was uttered. That won't help you any. It had to be something. Now you contributed to the Italian far-right's sickening praises with what you said...

We must not make a mockery of the anti-racism and Fair Play campaigns.

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Fifa will probably only punish Zidane (which is deserved but pointless) and ignore Materazzi. They will continue on the Fair play and Anti-racism campaign, but in real life do absolutely nothing cos they have no backbone - the useless w*nkers

And that does seem what's going to happen.

ROME, July 12, 2006 (AFP) - FIFA may strip disgraced French skipper Zinedine Zidane of his World Cup best player award, the organisation's president Sepp Blatter has told Italian newspapers.

Zidane was announced as the winner of the prestigious award on Monday morning, the day after the World Cup final which saw him sent off in the second period of extra time for head-butting an Italian opponent.

Italy went on to defeat France 5-3 on penalties after the game in Berlin's Olympic Stadium was tied at 1-1.

FIFA has since launched an investigation into the sending off incident involving Zidane and Italian defender Marco Materazzi.

Zidane claims he was reacting to insults aimed at him by Materazzi and is scheduled to give his version of events live on French television on Wednesday evening.

Blatter said that before taking any decision on whether to strip Zidane of the best player award, he wanted to see the results of the FIFA investigation.

``It's not FIFA that decides who wins this award but an international committee of journalists,'' he told La Repubblica newspaper.

``All the same, the FIFA executive committee has the responsibility of intervening when it is a matter of conduct which goes against the ethics of the sport.''

``That is why I gave the orders to our disciplinary commission to investigate what happened.''

Voting by journalists covering the World Cup for the best player award is by a deadline of midnight on the day of the final, but most journalists submit their votes earlier to better concentrate on their work during what is the busy climax to the competition.

Blatter also said that Zidane's headbutt had shocked him personally.

``I've known Zidane for several years, his tremendous personality, the way he lives his life, his modesty and his love of his family.

``To see him acting like that leaves me vexed, both for himself and for all sense of fair-play.''

AFP

Ultimately, I don't see that they'd ever be able to sanction Matterazzi anyway. When it boils down to it, unless Materazzi ever confessed to saying something racist, it would only ever come down to Zidane's word against his. I don't see FIFA ever basing a major decision on the basis of the inconsistent evidence of lip-readers.

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I agree Italy wont be stripped of the title - but the inconsistent evidence of lip readers? They all seem to be coming up with the same thing - 'mother', 'terrorist' and whore'. Regardless of the combination, It's a **** thing to say. Frankly I'd thump someone for saying that about my Mum. The World Cup final is just a football match. Family honour is far more important. You just don't cross that line.

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I don't understand why at least Zidane wasn't more precise about what Materazzi said to him. It's not very helpful when all the speculations go on and we still have no clear statement of both men or any witness.

There's something I don't understand either: Couldn't it be possible that one of the other players heard what Zidane's and Materazzi's argument was about? If you watch the video of the incident, you'll see de Rossi running at the bottom of the picture shortly before the attack, turning around twice towards Zidane and Materazzi -- as if he had noticed that both were argueing. And what about Cannavaro and Trezeguet (you'll see their legs in the upper part of the picture, running past during the attack and then stopping after the attack)? Couldn't it be that they heard anything, too?

Here's also a video of the incident from another angle.

Very interesting especially for lip readers, I guess. Sadly, my Italian is not good enough to recognise what Materazzi said.

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http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-...1-794033,0.html

Michel Denisot lui a demandé si la réalité "recoupait" ce qu'avaient

rapporté les tabloïds anglais qui, s'appuyant sur des spécialistes

de la lecture labiale, ont accusé l'Italien d'avoir dit : "On sait

tous que tu es le fils d'une pute terroriste." Zidane a juste répondu

: "Ben oui".

Michel Denisot asked him if reality coincided with what the English

tabloids reported, according to lip-readers, accusing the Italian

player of saying: "We all know that you are the son of a terrorist

whore." Zidane replied: "Well yes".

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I still call on FIFA to strip that dirty, cheating, play-acting, corrupt, rotten scum squad of that title they undeservedly and falsely claimed and all of their records from the cup, including qualifications. To go even further, disqualify them from Euro 2008. It's the ONLY way to send a major message about racism and fascism in soccer. What better time than now. Also, fine the Italian soccer federation in millions of dollars (or euros) while issuing red cards and massive club suspensions to the players, particularly Mattarazzi. Let them suffer big time where it hurts!

If FIFA cannot bring themselves to award the trophy to runners-up France, then either play the game over without the suspended players...

So you'd be perfectly happy for "that dirty, cheating, play-acting, corrupt, rotten scum squad" to win the replay would you? :mellow: Please think before you post such contradictions! Taking the World Cup away from Italy would be tarring the whole squad with same brush. That would be the ultimate contradiction in the fight against racism; we're taking the world cup away from Italy because Italians are racist!! :o What's the difference between calling, by implication, an innocent Italian player racist because of Materazzi and the Italian right, and calling a non-practicing Muslim a terrorist because of Bin Laden?

There is a danger of over-politicising football, especially when sensitive issues such as racism are to be dealt with. There is also a danger of hysteria when it comes to racism; a hysteria which you seem to be displaying. Going over the top when dealing with racism will only leave a bad taste in the mouth and could be counter-productive in the end. Deal with Materazzi and deal with Zidane and let's get on with Euro 2008 qualifying.

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So you'd be perfectly happy for "that dirty, cheating, play-acting, corrupt, rotten scum squad" to win the replay would you? :mellow: Please think before you post such contradictions! Taking the World Cup away from Italy would be tarring the whole squad with same brush. That would be the ultimate contradiction in the fight against racism; we're taking the world cup away from Italy because Italians are racist!! :o What's the difference between calling, by implication, an innocent Italian player racist because of Materazzi and the Italian right, and calling a non-practicing Muslim a terrorist because of Bin Laden?

Well, you have to pose that question to FIFA. They included that new paragraph 55 in their regulations. Frankly, I can't comprehend either why a whole team has to be banned or punished when just a single player or supporter has shown racist attitudes. When a player injures an opponent badly, his team isn't suspended either -- but only he himself.

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And so it reaches end game ....

Fifa opens inquiry over Materazzi

Fifa has begun disciplinary proceedings against Marco Materazzi in light of his conduct in the World Cup final.

France skipper Zinedine Zidane was sent off in extra-time for headbutting Italy defender Materazzi in the chest.

Italy went on to win the title in a penalty shoot-out, but Zidane has since said he reacted to repeated provocation from his opponent.

Fifa has summoned both players to attend a hearing of its disciplinary committee on Thursday 20 July.

A decision is expected later that day.

Zidane said in an interview on French television that his actions were in response to repeated harsh insults from Materazzi about his mother and sister, but did not go into specifics.

"They were very hard words. You hear them once and you try to move away," he said.

"But then you hear them twice, and then a third time. I am a man and some words are harder to hear than actions. I would rather have taken a blow to the face than hear that."

A Fifa statement confirmed: "The decision was taken following claims made by French player Zinedine Zidane."

Zidane has the right to make a written statement, which must be submitted by Tuesday 18 July.

Materazzi will then be given a copy of the statement so he can respond.

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I guess Materazzi makes his situation worse and worse. After having claimed that his insults towards Zidane were not of religious, political or racist content he now added that he hadn't insulted Zidane's mother either.

German news magazine "Der Spiegel" quotes him as follows, "I've lost my own mother 15 years ago. Even today I can't speak about her without tears filling my eyes. I could never insult a mother."

Gosh, he's such a orotund a*shole. Who shall believe his stories after he'd already claimed he didn't know the meaning of the word "terrorist" and then called his little daughter a "terrorist" just one interview later? And how does he explain, then, why several lip readers and Zidane himself confirm that his remarks dealt with Zidane's mother?

Does FIFA also punish false statements?

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Does FIFA also punish false statements?

No; you can't. No unless you're in a court of law; and you've sworn to tell the truth. It's just going to be a PR battle from now on. I say Zidane & Matterazzi should go do a duel. And get it over with.

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Now it looks like the whole issue could go to the courts.

PARIS, July 13 Reuters - A French lawyer plans to ask a court to intervene in the controversy over Zinedine Zidane's sending-off in the World Cup final.

Doubts over whether a match official relied on video evidence of Zidane's head butt to Italian defender Marco Materazzi meant the final should be replayed, lawyer Mehana Mouhou said.

``I am going to ask the judge to question all individuals concerned and to reconstruct the end of the refereeing,'' Mouhou, who is based in the northern town of Rennes, told Reuters today.

``If it is proved that the fourth referee used video evidence, FIFA can have the final replayed,'' he said.

Mouhou said he was acting on behalf of a number of clubs and associations whose names he would reveal once the application had been filed with the Tribunal de Grande Instance in Paris, one of France's main civil courts.

I really hate when results move from the sports field to the courtroom.

:angry:<_<

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Yeah, I agree with you Rob. This is getting silly.

Zidane deserved the red card... he hit a man in a match.

Materazzi should be punished too if he insulted Zidane's family or if he said an racial insult.

But, stripping the Golden Ball to Zidane or the World Cup to Italy is completly stupid, unfair and pointless (althought I prefer France than Italy as champion).

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Now it looks like the whole issue could go to the courts.

I really hate when results move from the sports field to the courtroom.

:angry:<_<

FIFA have already denied that any video evidence was used in Zidane's sending off and I have no doubt they will stick with that line. There's just no way they would permit the World Cup Final to be replayed (short of incontrovertible evidence that the match had been fixed beforehand in which case both Italy and France would be disqualified and the final would have to be replayed between Germany and Portugal)!

I agree that I think it very inadvisable for the courts to get involved.Apart from anything else,as a British judge recently pointed out here,Zidane could be charged with physical assault for his head-butt on Materazzi! Provocation is no defence in law! Best keep the lawyers out of this for the sake of everone concerned!! <_<

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I luv it!!

BTW, whatever happened to the nipple-pinching part?

Interesting point.If they're going to get all legal over this,then Zidane could be charged with physical assault and Materazzi with sexual assault!

That should even things up a bit! :lol:

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Joke all you like but we've already had a case like this in the Premiership. The season before last Lee Bowyer and his Newcastle teamate Kieron Dyer had a fight on the pitch. You'd think something like that could be dealt with by the FA or the Premier League (which it was), but the case was also brought to court and Bowyer was eventually charged under Section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986.

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As much as I think Bowyer is a total eejit, brawls that happen on the sports field shouldn't be subject to criminal charges. I don't buy the Northumbria chief crown prosecutor's line that "The criminal law doesn't cease to operate once you cross the touchline of a sports field."

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As much as I think Bowyer is a total eejit, brawls that happen on the sports field shouldn't be subject to criminal charges. I don't buy the Northumbria chief crown prosecutor's line that "The criminal law doesn't cease to operate once you cross the touchline of a sports field."

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Well,the Northumbria prosecutor is quite right of course.If one football player commits a criminal act against another then he is just as much subject to the law as if you and I were to start brawling in the street and I head-butted you! If a policeman saw it or someone reported me,I could be charged with physical assault and rightly so.What makes football players immune just because they are kicking a ball around a field at the time?

That said,I DO agree that the football authorities should step in and try to prevent that happening.

I think the law DOES turn a blind eye in most cases but that doesn't mean they are not empowered or willing to act if the football authorities seem incapable of keeping their own house in order.

It's down to FIFA,the FA and so on to maintain public order on their pitches.If they can't or won't do that, then the law has a duty to step in and do it for them!

PS.I wouldn't dream of head-butting you or anyone else,of course.Apart from being opposed to any form of physical violence,I lack the necessary technical expertise!! ;)

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