Ha! Barcelona'36 Ready to give it a Go!

[sebastien1214]

58 minutes ago, Bear said:

at least Brisbane is still outside of the traditional 7 year window haha (though they're starting to cut it real close...)

Which clearly shows the failure that is the New norm, if we had stuck to the old procedure, I am almost sure that we would have had candidate city bid with much better and stronger bids. (even if it would have given Doha 2032, probably, unfortunately)

[baron-pierreIV]

1 hour ago, sebastien1214 said:

Which clearly shows the failure that is the New norm, if we had stuck to the old procedure, I am almost sure that we would have had candidate city bid with much better and stronger bids. (even if it would have given Doha 2032, probably, unfortunately)

I disagree.  The New Norm really works much better.  It cuts so much waste and duplication in the Open Bidding -- but the result will be the same: there can only be one winner per cycle.  Then politics and favors and backroom deals play in the Old Format.  the New Norm is not as showy & exciting, but it really is the more sensible and probably less stressful and expensive way to go.  

[Australian Kiwi]

3 hours ago, Bear said:

Montreal, Athens, Rio...

at least Brisbane is still outside of the traditional 7 year window haha (though they're starting to cut it real close...)

You're misunderstanding the extent of the challenges Brisbane is facing - all those cities had stadium locations decided well in advance. 

Brisbane is less than 8 years out of hosting and doesn't even have a suitable stadium location identified, let alone undergoing detailed design, approvals, construction, delivery, etc... they have squandered 11 years lead in.

[Australian Kiwi]

Montreal - had its stadium land secured and ready to go 10+ years before winning its bid in 1970. Challenges were construction/strike related.

Athens - existing stadium (part of Athens previous bids, it was never in douhbt). Challenges were project management in construction of the roof.

Rio - They used existing stadiums so i'm not sure why you've lumped them in here?

Brisbane - isn't even settled on a stadium location 8 years out. That is unprecedented since 1956.

[Bear]

Okay, perhaps a better example:

Tokyo 2020 - the design for the Olympic Stadium was completely scrapped in 2015, only 5 years prior to the original start of the Games. The process was started from scratch in late 2015, going into 2016. Construction itself would not begin until December 2016, less than 4 years out.

Sure, TOCOG already had a site mapped out, but no design or anything until the mentioned dates. If Brisbane can get a site located within the next 3 years, it'll be in the same timeline as TOCOG, and maybe be in a better place than TOCOG was at the 5 year to go mark, if they hurry up.

[baron-pierreIV]

2 hours ago, Australian Kiwi said:

You're misunderstanding the extent of the challenges Brisbane is facing - all those cities had stadium locations decided well in advance. 

Brisbane is less than 8 years out of hosting and doesn't even have a suitable stadium location identified, let alone undergoing detailed design, approvals, construction, delivery, etc... they have squandered 11 years lead in.

Yes, but all parties knew this when closing to finalize the deal.  So, how far behind is Brisbane on this crucial matter?? 

[Australian Kiwi]

1 hour ago, baron-pierreIV said:

Yes, but all parties knew this when closing to finalize the deal.  So, how far behind is Brisbane on this crucial matter?? 

No certainty on location of stadium. LIkely new state government coming in who will flip the table on the current venue plan. 

Imagine if Atlanta abandoned fundamental parts of its plan in 1991.

[texan]

https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1149679/barcelona-no-go-on-olympics-do-ove

[Ikarus360]

I don't wanna be that guy, but overdependence in tourism instead of developing the rest of industries in the region (which is something many other regions in Spain face as well) is what brought the current situation. While the independentist movement is in an all time low at the moment (specially compared to the mid 2010s), because people realized politicians were just using pro independence sentment for their own gain, the damage is already done and many multinational companies have chosen to either move outside of Catalonia or to begin diversifying through the spanish territoriy (ie Google opening their HQ in Andalucia instead of the bigger cities).

The reason this country still survives is because of tourism, so beggars can't be choosers.  Also, the fact there is virtually no serious punishment toward misbeheaving tourists like in other places of Europe because they're so afraid of losing tourist money (because of the reasons i've just explained) is one of the main reasons they've turned Barcelona into a theme park for annoying guiris.

t. someone who actually lives in Spain.

[iceman530]

Anyone who has been to Barcelona recently knows a 2036 bid would literally turn violent in 2 weeks.  It would be the quickest NOlympics movement, and most dangerous one, youve ever sen

[yoshi]

It's become quite an interesting race now with India gone & the Middle East so volatile. It feels like this probably goes to the first safe bid that comes in, & with the current protests I don't think Barcelona really counts. That's why Germany's stubbornness with 2040 is so frustrating, even if it can be understood - they'd be in pole position for 36 if they just enter the race. If I had to place a bet right now, I'd probably put it on Seoul, but it's really too early to be confident. 

[Roger87]

2 hours ago, yoshi said:

It's become quite an interesting race now with India gone & the Middle East so volatile. It feels like this probably goes to the first safe bid that comes in, & with the current protests I don't think Barcelona really counts. That's why Germany's stubbornness with 2040 is so frustrating, even if it can be understood - they'd be in pole position for 36 if they just enter the race. If I had to place a bet right now, I'd probably put it on Seoul, but it's really too early to be confident. 

Eh, the European Games and the UEFA Euro are still happening in Turkiye. And recently they confirmed the support of the European voters. So Istanbul is not done yet. 

[Roger87]

And don't forget the big elephant in the room - Saudi arabia 2034 

[AustralianFan]

18 hours ago, yoshi said:

It's become quite an interesting race now with India gone & the Middle East so volatile. It feels like this probably goes to the first safe bid that comes in, & with the current protests I don't think Barcelona really counts. That's why Germany's stubbornness with 2040 is so frustrating, even if it can be understood - they'd be in pole position for 36 if they just enter the race. If I had to place a bet right now, I'd probably put it on Seoul, but it's really too early to be confident. 

Yes, my money’s on Seoul too for 2036.

[Roger87]

5 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

Yes, my money’s on Seoul too for 2036.

Going to the recent reactions of inner politics, I guess the government of South Korea is busier in other stuff (Like own survival. The President is the second least approved ever, just behind Peru). I know we're in an era of impopular governments, but his numbers are even ridiculous low. And considering some of the most unpopular stuff, that could explain why we don't have more info of the bid.