Ha! Barcelona'36 Ready to give it a Go!

[baron-pierreIV]

Am surprised nobody else has posted it here -- but it seems that Barcelona is ready to make a run for 2036!

Barcelona opens door to hosting the Olympic Games in 2036 (insidethegames.biz) 

I think they'd make the perfect compromise candidate for 2036 -- putting them ahead of India, Qatar and Istanbul.  All Barcelona needs for '36 is a new Athletes' Village and I think one or 2 more medium-sized stadia/arena.  With Spain hosting WC 2030, and one of the semi-finals being played in Barcelona, that should put their bid in a good stead.  However, a Barcelona '36 win would affect a German '40 bid adversely--probably sending 2040 to India or South Africa.  

Edited October 10, 2024 by baron-pierreIV

[AustralianFan]

57 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said:

Am surprised nobody else has posted it here -- but it seems that Barcelona is ready to make a run for 2036!

Barcelona opens door to hosting the Olympic Games in 2036 (insidethegames.biz) 

I think they'd make the perfect compromise candidate for 2036 -- putting them ahead of India, Qatar and Istanbul.  All Barcelona needs for '36 is a new Athletes' Village and I think one or 2 more medium-sized stadia/arena.  With Spain hosting WC 2030, and one of the semi-finals being played in Barcelona, that should put their bid in a good stead.  However, a Barcelona '36 win would affect a German '40 bid adversely--probably sending 2040 to India or South Africa.  

Yes its being reported across several other media outlets as well including Catalan News and Francs Jeux.

It seems from these reports Barcelona are an interested party who have not yet conveyed their interest to the IOC Future Host Commission.  Perhaps this sports official/politician Escude is testing public opinion and wider political support as well?

Barcelona is currently hosting the 2024 Americas Cup and so plenty of attention is on this beautiful city at the moment.

 

[FYI]

Over Madrid's dead body!!! 

[baron-pierreIV]

17 minutes ago, FYI said:

Over Madrid's dead body!!! 

Well, Madrid's getting its plum with the 2030 WC final which is about the only thing it can readily do.  And Barcelona 2036 could probably give them some other sports.  

[Roger87]

5 hours ago, FYI said:

Over Madrid's dead body!!! 

Considering the government of Madrid is currently on flames with now the confirmed Francoist militant Isabel Diaz Ayuso and her shaddy bussiness with the PP (including the flop of Formula 1 and the health system) and her management over the deaths of more of 7 thousand deaths per pandemic, probably this time it will be different battles  Karma's a bitch.

 

[Roger87]

Now, if Barcelona really enters in the 2036, that could spoil the race. This time, Spain has a proper case and Barcelona's legacy is one of the most succesful Olympic stories. Also, this campaign can also be used as a proper campaign in favour of the city. 

[baron-pierreIV]

2036 would also mark the Centennial of when Barcelona almost got the 1936 Games but Berlin came in ahead (after 1916 was taken from it).  

[Olympian2004]

I admit that as a German I am biassed against any strong European contender for 2036 or 2040, but let's first wait and see the public reaction to a Barcelona 2036 bid. I mean, we are talking about a city who is struggling with overtourism already now and the struggles around the Catalan sovereignty movement showed the potential for public unrest or at least resistance in that region. I am not sure whether the people of Barcelona at this point really want to invite even more tourists into their city.

[Roger87]

50 minutes ago, Olympian2004 said:

I admit that as a German I am biassed against any strong European contender for 2036 or 2040, but let's first wait and see the public reaction to a Barcelona 2036 bid. I mean, we are talking about a city who is struggling with overtourism already now and the struggles around the Catalan sovereignty movement showed the potential for public unrest or at least resistance in that region. I am not sure whether the people of Barcelona at this point really want to invite even more tourists into their city.

Going to the recent Catalonian elections this won't be an issue, unless the PP came in power and do something idiotic (Possible, but then Puidgemont can accept a deal). The independent movement was practically broken and loses ground. For first time since 2006 a national party won the majority of the seats and gain the control of the government.

 

[StefanMUC]

So I get the source is that dubious ITG site? Not clicking on any of their links anymore, but I‘m fully with @Olympian2004 here. Especially on the overtourism, I cannot imagine the good people of Barcelona wanting to touch the Olympics anytime soon, great legacy or not. Plus of course, Madrid would never let this happen, once was enough for them.

[Olympian2004]

25 minutes ago, Roger87 said:

Going to the recent Catalonian elections this won't be an issue, unless the PP came in power and do something idiotic (Possible, but then Puidgemont can accept a deal). The independent movement was practically broken and loses ground. For first time since 2006 a national party won the majority of the seats and gain the control of the government.

 

That was not my point actually. I only said that the independent movement in Catalunya showed that there is some potential for unrest or at least public opposition in that region. The people of Barcelona don't shy away from making their voices heard when they oppose something.

[Roger87]

1 hour ago, Olympian2004 said:

That was not my point actually. I only said that the independent movement in Catalunya showed that there is some potential for unrest or at least public opposition in that region. The people of Barcelona don't shy away from making their voices heard when they oppose something.

But that separatism movement is a complete different issue coming since the days of the battle of independence of 1652. And that direct confrontation came from historical and political dissidence. 

Another thing the catalans also love - Pissing off Madrid and Castillians. If a good project came, they will push in favour for national pride.

[Roger87]

1 hour ago, StefanMUC said:

So I get the source is that dubious ITG site? Not clicking on any of their links anymore, but I‘m fully with @Olympian2004 here. Especially on the overtourism, I cannot imagine the good people of Barcelona wanting to touch the Olympics anytime soon, great legacy or not. Plus of course, Madrid would never let this happen, once was enough for them.

Tbh, this is exactly the movement the current national government would do to nullify and humllliate the neofalangists of Diaz ayuso in Spain. And going for the events in recent weeks, this time Madrid is isolated in the national sphere. Diaz Ayuso really pissed off many people out. 

 

[AustralianFan]

3 hours ago, StefanMUC said:

So I get the source is that dubious ITG site? Not clicking on any of their links anymore, but I‘m fully with @Olympian2004 here. Especially on the overtourism, I cannot imagine the good people of Barcelona wanting to touch the Olympics anytime soon, great legacy or not. Plus of course, Madrid would never let this happen, once was enough for them.

From Catalan News:

Barcelona opens door to hosting future Olympic Games again

The Barcelona city council has opened the door to possibly hosting a future Olympic Games again.

"We are always open to it, be it for 2036, 2040 or 2044," the councilor for sports, David Escudé, said at business event RethinkBCN.

Sports, the councilor said, makes up an "intangible part of city pride that is very important."

Escudé also explained that some of the facilities that were built for the 1992 Olympic Games now need updating, and suggested that he is confident of being able to give "very good news" at some point soon.

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Also from Francs Jeux.com:

“The IOC can rub its hands: the list of cities, regions or countries interested in hosting the Summer Games in 2036 could well be extended by a new line soon. It is not anecdotal. And will bring back not so distant memories to the Olympic movement.”

“Barcelona City Council's sports advisor, David Escudé, explained it this week at an economic conference: the Catalan city is thinking of bidding once again for the Summer Games. "The Olympic flame still burns in Barcelona, he admitted. We are open to the 2036 edition, or to the following ones in 2040 or 2044. We are open to all opportunities, to everything that may arise.”

“Nothing is official yet. But the sports advisor's statements are not empty words. David Escudé acknowledged that the facilities built for the 1992 Summer Games are no longer up to standard for the event. Some of them should be modernized. But he suggested that he was confident that he would soon be able to announce "very good news”.

“Barcelona has its doors and windows open, he said. We listen to everyone, all the projects that come to us are interesting, there is no immediate no, on the contrary. We will listen and we will work together without any limits, being very ambitious.”

“A bid for the Olympic and Paralympic Games in 2036?  Not so fast. The Catalan acknowledges that many things can happen in the coming years, especially on the political level. The withdrawal of the Pyrenees and Barcelona's bid for the Winter Games in 2030 illustrated the extreme difficulty in Spain of uniting and federating all the political and regional forces around a project.”

“But one thing is certain: the Catalan city wants to play a major role on the international sports scene. David Escudé explained this week that Barcelona aims to organize at least one major sporting and/or cultural event every year.”

“For 2024, the ambition has been fulfilled by hosting the America's Cup since August. "A success », according to the sports advisor. And a " perfect illustration of what can be achieved with public/private collaboration.”

“For the future, the city has already secured the Grand Départ of the Tour de France cycling race in 2026. It is also eyeing the World Cup final in 2030, an edition awarded by FIFA to Spain, Portugal and Morocco (with matches in South America), also coveted by Morocco. "We must be ambitious, suggested David Escudé. If we don't fight for the best, we can't aspire to anything. Let's aim for the final, obviously.”

“The Catalan suggested that the city was carrying out " discreet discussions » to attract the biggest sporting events. The Catalans do not forbid themselves anything. But, cautious, they prefer to advance their pawns with wisdom and patience.”

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[baron-pierreIV]

But learning from Paris and Venice -- it's when NOTHING special is in town, that the touristic hordes come in.  But as was Paris' recent experience, knowing that a high-end ticket event was happening, caused many tourists on a budget to stay away -- and just wait for weeks and days when nothing special is on.  Airline bookings, museum attendance proved this.  So, if the Games return to Barcelona, natural forces will leaven out the touristic hordes.  Or just spread a little negative news that during X weeks would not be the best time to visit.  And the rush will come afterwards.  

[texan]

Yaay lets go

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/9/why-are-barcelona-residents-protesting-against-tourists

[FYI]

Yeah, I posted this about the over-tourism back in early-July in the 'Barcelona '92, 30th anniversary' thread:

And would also agree that would be a mood-killer for any Olympic bid endeavor there. I also still maintain that the SOC (which is headquartered in Madrid) would not endorse Barcelona anyway (it's only some city sports official there that's talking about it ATM). If another Summer Olympics were to come to Spain, surely they want them in the national capital next.

Plus, we also still have Germany & Italy waiting even longer for their next (Summer) Olympics, & Turkey has never even hosted. Also, some still looking at this as a "race" totally negates now how the IOC Bach & Co. run the show over in Lausanne these days, that can leave many in this so-called 'crowded field of interested parties' left "in the dust" (yet again). So it wouldn't surprise me in the least, if they already have a "preferred bidder" in mind as soon as the next IOC session of March of next year.

[texan]

12 hours ago, FYI said:

Yeah, I posted this about the over-tourism back in early-July in the 'Barcelona '92, 30th anniversary' thread:

And would also agree that would be a mood-killer for any Olympic bid endeavor there. I also still maintain that the SOC (which is headquartered in Madrid) would not endorse Barcelona anyway (it's only some city sports official there that's talking about it ATM). If another Summer Olympics were to come to Spain, surely they want them in the national capital next.

Plus, we also still have Germany & Italy waiting even longer for their next (Summer) Olympics, & Turkey has never even hosted. Also, some still looking at this as a "race" totally negates now how the IOC Bach & Co. run the show over in Lausanne these days, that can leave many in this so-called 'crowded field of interested parties' left "in the dust" (yet again). So it wouldn't surprise me in the least, if they already have a "preferred bidder" in mind as soon as the next IOC session of March of next year.

I want to add that Barcelona hosted the Olympics only 32 years ago. I am aware that the 1992 Games were a success, and Barcelona '92 created what Barcelona is today. I think cities that have never hosted should be given this chance as well. I find it very selfish when I see the cities that has already hosted are bidding again even though there is already a big demand among the possible first time hosts. 

[AustralianFan]

On 10/12/2024 at 11:48 PM, texan said:

I want to add that Barcelona hosted the Olympics only 32 years ago. I am aware that the 1992 Games were a success, and Barcelona '92 created what Barcelona is today. I think cities that have never hosted should be given this chance as well. I find it very selfish when I see the cities that has already hosted are bidding again even though there is already a big demand among the possible first time hosts. 

It all depends on which city actually bids for the Olympics and who most meets the New Norm IOC Host Selection requirements, whether or not they have previously hosted the Olympic Games or not.

New Norm Olympic bids are assessed on things such as:

• using as much existing sporting venues where possible,
• if a new venue/stadium  needs to be built, having a realistic and viable legacy plan for ongoing usage of that new venue/stadium following the Games.  This means having a plan that will convince the IOC Future Host Commission that the new venue/stadium really will continue to be used after the Games and not be an eyesore unused white elephant that rarely gets used ever again,
• Financial Guarantee by the host city’s national government
• environmentally sustainable
• how well that bid fits in with existing regional and national development plans, and
• how well the bid fits within the long-term strategic goals of the Olympic Movement.

I know you support the Istanbul 2036 bid which is competing with 10-12 world cities for the 2036 Olympic and Paralympic Games, which includes two cities who are previous hosts.  But it’s not about cities “taking turns” to host the Olympics.   Its all about which bidder is more competitive than the others in that field against the IOC’s New Norm requirements.

We’re expecting the 2036 Host to be decided and elected in the next 1-2 years and so we will find out then who that will be.

 

 

[Australian Kiwi]

Bring it on - wish they've had piped up for 2032 so we weren't stuck with Brisbane.

[baron-pierreIV]

1 hour ago, Australian Kiwi said:

Bring it on - wish they've had piped up for 2032 so we weren't stuck with Brisbane.

They could be a quick fall-back should Brisbane falter?  But that puts them only 2 years behind the FIFA 2030 WC--which might be a bit too much for Spain even though the 2030 duties are co-shared with 2 other countries.  So, essentially it would have the same marketing dynamics as United 2026-LA28, altho, of course, USA is the bigger market.  

[AustralianFan]

41 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said:

They could be a quick fall-back should Brisbane falter?  But that puts them only 2 years behind the FIFA 2030 WC--which might be a bit too much for Spain even though the 2030 duties are co-shared with 2 other countries.  So, essentially it would have the same marketing dynamics as United 2026-LA28, altho, of course, USA is the bigger market.  

Don’t be ridiculous.   Brisbane 2032 has not faltered and is not faltering.  Where on earth did you get that from?
Briabane 2032 is well advanced in it’s preparations and the location of the track and field venue/stadium issuecshould be soon sorted with the heavily backed LNP Party about to win the Queensland State Election this month and ditch QSAC as the venue. 

 

[baron-pierreIV]

10 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

the location of the track and field venue/stadium issuecshould be soon sorted 

How about this one?   

[Australian Kiwi]

11 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

Don’t be ridiculous.   Brisbane 2032 has not faltered and is not faltering.  Where on earth did you get that from?
Briabane 2032 is well advanced in it’s preparations and the location of the track and field venue/stadium issuecshould be soon sorted with the heavily backed LNP Party about to win the Queensland State Election this month and ditch QSAC as the venue. 

 

The fact you need to rant about relying on the outcome of an election to secure some sense of security tells me things aren't good. 

What Olympic host in the last 50 years has faced such sheer insecurity in its planning? 

[Bear]

8 hours ago, Australian Kiwi said:

What Olympic host in the last 50 years has faced such sheer insecurity in its planning? 

Montreal, Athens, Rio...

at least Brisbane is still outside of the traditional 7 year window haha (though they're starting to cut it real close...)