Brisbane 2032 Olympic Transport Network

[AustralianFan]

Come Games time, the long planned Brisbane 2032 Olympic Transport Network will be enacted across South East Queensland (SEQ) including Brisbane, Gold Coast and the Sunshine Coast, as well as at Cairns and Townsville.

As occurred at Sydney 2000, existing public transport resources and infrastructure will be greatly boosted and/or overlaid by the drafting in of a massive fleet of buses and coaches from around Australia but particularly from Queensland and NSW. 

SEQ is where most of the venues and the Olympic Transport Network will supplement and in some cases replace Brisbane’s existing public transport networks and schedules.  

Greater Brisbane itself currently has a suburban rail network, suburban bus network, a ferry network on the Brisbane River, heavy rail and soon will have the underground Cross River Rail and Brisbane Metro networks added.

The Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast both have extensive bus networks. The Gold Coast, home to the second biggest cluster of venues, also has a growing Light Rail network plus heavy rail.

[Sir Rols]

18 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

As occurred at Sydney 2000, existing public transport resources and infrastructure will be greatly boosted and/or overlaid by the drafting in of a massive fleet of buses and coaches from around Australia but particularly from Queensland and NSW. 

You were saying?

On 9/16/2023 at 4:12 PM, AustralianFan said:

Can you imagine the absolute chaos and international embarrassment of hundreds of buses trying to move thousands of people in and out of the stadium for two separate athletics sessions on each day of the Olympics?

 

Edited August 20 by Sir Rols

[AustralianFan]

Speaking of the Brisbane Metro vehicles and their capacity within the overall Brisbane 2032 Olympic Transport NetworK:

27 minutes ago, sebastien1214 said:

Alstom's trams (the world's number 1 tram company) have a capacity of 200-220 people per tram. So more than a BRT. And the infrastructure of a tram allows more trains per hour to be put into circulation than a BRT. Which means that in terms of people/hour, the tram has more capacity than a BRT. I know an urban train network like what you have: it's like the RER in Paris, like the S-Bahn in Germany... It does indeed transport a significant number of passengers, but it must systematically be combined with a high-capacity fine service network (tram/metro) to be truly efficient. Because urban trains are like motorways, except that motorways don't come directly into your garden, you still have to take a road between the motorway exit and your garden.

@sebastien1214  yes but who cares if their are bigger trams made by Alstom?

The capacity of the long Brisbane Metro tram-like vehicles in event mode is 150-170.  At this stage the current government has ordered 60 of these and they have started arriving.

A new Queensland Government is tipped to be elected on 27 October and so we will see if additional orders are made in time once Brisbane’s public transport needs and the Olympic Transport Plan are evaluated and drafted.

[AustralianFan]

20 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

You were saying?

 

The Olympic Transport Plan will also be built around all the venues including the Track and Field venue wherever that ends up being once the incoming Queensland Government sorts out the stadium issue once and for all.

Whatever that venue is, it will be in the Olympic Transport Network.

[Sir Rols]

So what changed between last year, when you said hundreds of buses would be “absolute chaos and international embarrassment” and now? Besides your narrative?

[AustralianFan]

34 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

The Olympic Transport Plan will also be built around all the venues including the Track and Field venue wherever that ends up being once the incoming Queensland Government sorts out the stadium issue once and for all.

Whatever that venue is, it will be in the Olympic Transport Network.

@SirRols  Thank goodness QSAC is now looking decidedly shaky as the Track and Field venue should there be the expected change of government on 27 Oct.

[AustralianFan]

41 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

So what changed between last year, when you said hundreds of buses would be “absolute chaos and international embarrassment” and now? Besides your narrative?

Opposition Leader Crisafulli appears odds-on to become the new Premier shortly and also appears to have changed his stance on ‘no new stadiums’ this week.

This came in the face of widespread criticism of QSAC as the Track and Field venue from all and sundry. 
 

 

 

[sebastien1214]

1 hour ago, AustralianFan said:

Speaking of the Brisbane Metro vehicles and their capacity within the overall Brisbane 2032 Olympic Transport NetworK:

@sebastien1214  yes but who cares if their are bigger trams made by Alstom?

The capacity of the long Brisbane Metro tram-like vehicles in event mode is 150-170.  At this stage the current government has ordered 60 of these and they have started arriving.

A new Queensland Government is tipped to be elected on 27 October and so we will see if additional orders are made in time once Brisbane’s public transport needs and the Olympic Transport Plan are evaluated and drafted.

You tell me that 150-170 is the capacity of trams. I tell you that it is false, and to prove it I take the example of Alstom because it is the leading manufacturer in the world and the vast majority of their range is indeed vehicles with 200-220 seats. So an example of trams spread all over the world. If you want I can take other examples from CAF, Bombardier... but it is the same thing. So indeed, if the BRT of the "Brisbane metro" has a capacity of 150-170 passengers (which I do not dispute), then the Brisbane BRT (what you call "metro", but it is not even worthy of a tram) has less capacity than a tram. It is simple.

[AustralianFan]

2 minutes ago, sebastien1214 said:

You tell me that 150-170 is the capacity of trams. I tell you that it is false

I clearly said that the Event Capacity of the long Brisbane Metro vehicles is 150-170.

You seemed to have missed that point.

“With a spacious bi-articulated design, metros comfortably transport 150 passengers and 170 passengers in event mode, enabling greater capacity on Brisbane’s public transport network.”

Click here to find out for yourself:

Brisbane Metro Vehicles - Event Mode

These will slot nicely, along with all the other modes of transport, in the Olympic Transport Network. 

[sebastien1214]

5 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

I clearly said that the Event Capacity of the long Brisbane Metro vehicles is 150-170.

You seemed to have missed that point.

“With a spacious bi-articulated design, metros comfortably transport 150 passengers and 170 passengers in event mode, enabling greater capacity on Brisbane’s public transport network.”

Click here to find out for yourself:

Brisbane Metro Vehicles - Event Mode

These will slot nicely, along with all the other modes of transport, in the Olympic Transport Network. 

Please. Learn to read. I was responding to this passage from your message, which I quote:

"Brisbane Metro electric vehicles have a capacity of 150-170, just like many trams around the world."

In this post you say that the trams have a capacity similar to the Brisbane BRT. I respond that this is false, with arguments. I have never questioned the fact that the BRT has the capacity that you announced.

[AustralianFan]

9 minutes ago, sebastien1214 said:

Please. Learn to read. I was responding to this passage from your message, which I quote:

"Brisbane Metro electric vehicles have a capacity of 150-170, just like many trams around the world."

In this post you say that the trams have a capacity similar to the Brisbane BRT. I respond that this is false, with arguments. I have never questioned the fact that the BRT has the capacity that you announced.

Yes, finally.

The Brisbane Metro Vehicles do indeed have a capacity of 150-170 in event mode.

Hallelujah!

[sebastien1214]

2 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

Yes, finally.

The Brisbane Metro Vehicles do indeed have a capacity of 150-170 in event mode.

Hallelujah!

Yes, finally, you learned to read. Hallelujah!

[AustralianFan]

As I consistently said from the very beginning today, the long Brisbane Metro vehicles with an event capacity of 150-170, will form only a part of the Brisbane 2032 Olympic Transport Network as well as non-Games period public transport.

The question is will an incoming LNP Government be prepared to outlay any further pre-Games expenditure on an expansion of the suburban rail network or underground infrastructure, particularly if the Stadium/Track and Field issue is resolved to a different Brisbane location that is not the Gabba, QSAC or Victoria Park?

 

[yoshi]

Ah, BRT. Quite a few British cities have given these a look, because they need better transport but initially think they can't afford a tram. Ultimately they very rarely actually get introduced, they decide that a bus that looks like a tram is no substitute for a tram that is a tram, or just decide to improve the ordinary bus network instead. Or do nothing. The one place that I know actually brought them in - I was living there at the time - is York, where they cost about as much as a tram would've done & caused so much chaos through the buses being too long for the roads that after a few years they gave up. I don't know where they ended up. Maybe they work better elsewhere, I hope Brisbane's plan does work, but putting an Olympics in a city without any kind of metro system feels very brave. I don't know when the last one would've been...

[AustralianFan]

1 hour ago, sebastien1214 said:

You tell me that 150-170 is the capacity of trams. I tell you that it is false, and to prove it I take the example of Alstom because it is the leading manufacturer in the world and the vast majority of their range is indeed vehicles with 200-220 seats. So an example of trams spread all over the world. If you want I can take other examples from CAF, Bombardier... but it is the same thing. So indeed, if the BRT of the "Brisbane metro" has a capacity of 150-170 passengers (which I do not dispute), then the Brisbane BRT (what you call "metro", but it is not even worthy of a tram) has less capacity than a tram. It is simple.

Perhaps you should take the long Brisbane Metro vehicle “false event capacity issues” you raised yourself with the actual Brisbane Metro vehicle manufacturer which is Hess.

While you do that, Brisbane City Council have ordered 60 of these vehicles, as mentioned.

 

[AustralianFan]

6 minutes ago, yoshi said:

Ah, BRT. Quite a few British cities have given these a look, because they need better transport but initially think they can't afford a tram. Ultimately they very rarely actually get introduced, they decide that a bus that looks like a tram is no substitute for a tram that is a tram, or just decide to improve the ordinary bus network instead. Or do nothing. The one place that I know actually brought them in - I was living there at the time - is York, where they cost about as much as a tram would've done & caused so much chaos through the buses being too long for the roads that after a few years they gave up. I don't know where they ended up. Maybe they work better elsewhere, I hope Brisbane's plan does work, but putting an Olympics in a city without any kind of metro system feels very brave. I don't know when the last one would've been...

Brisbane does, besides an extensive suburban bus network, indeed have an extensive suburban train network and also the underground Cross River Rail in advanced stages of construction right through Brisbane CBD and beyond.

Both link within the other elements in the SEQ train, busway and tram networks - see below.

In addition, a public transport ferry network (Rivercats) operates on the Brisbane River.  

Soon the underground Cross River Rail network and the Brisbane Metro busway network will overlay this diagram.

Details of the Olympic Transport Network can then be expected to overlay this as well at some in the next few years ahead of the Games.

 

Source:  Queensland Translink Network Map

 

[FYI]

5 hours ago, sebastien1214 said:

Yes, finally, you learned to read. Hallelujah!

And WELCOME to the last three-plus years with that one! 

 

[FYI]

Quote

I hope Brisbane's plan does work, but putting an Olympics in a city without any kind of metro system feels very brave. I don't know when the last one would've been...

Even Atlanta 1996 had one. Albeit, not a very extensive one at the time, but still had one nonetheless.

[AustralianFan]

5 hours ago, yoshi said:

Ah, BRT. Quite a few British cities have given these a look, because they need better transport but initially think they can't afford a tram. Ultimately they very rarely actually get introduced, they decide that a bus that looks like a tram is no substitute for a tram that is a tram, or just decide to improve the ordinary bus network instead. Or do nothing. The one place that I know actually brought them in - I was living there at the time - is York, where they cost about as much as a tram would've done & caused so much chaos through the buses being too long for the roads that after a few years they gave up. I don't know where they ended up. Maybe they work better elsewhere, I hope Brisbane's plan does work, but putting an Olympics in a city without any kind of metro system feels very brave. I don't know when the last one would've been...

 

5 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

Brisbane does, besides an extensive suburban bus network, indeed have an extensive suburban train network and also the underground Cross River Rail in advanced stages of construction right through Brisbane CBD and beyond.

Both link within the other elements in the SEQ train, busway and tram networks - see below.

In addition, a public transport ferry network (Rivercats) operates on the Brisbane River.  

Soon the underground Cross River Rail network and the Brisbane Metro busway network will overlay this diagram.

Details of the Olympic Transport Network can then be expected to overlay this as well at some in the next few years ahead of the Games.

 

Source:  Queensland Translink Network Map

Gold Coast Light Rail 

Stage 4 of the expanding Gold Coast Light Rail network will be a 13km extension south of the Light Rail Stage 3, linking Burleigh Heads to Coolangatta via the Gold Coast Airport.  This too will be an integral part of the Olympic Transport Network.

A detailed business case has commenced and is expected to be completed in late 2025.  The preliminary business case for Light Rail Stage 4 has been completed and the cost estimate for Light Rail is $4.467 billion.

So Light Rail is something that Sunshine Coast wanted to do as well to cope with a booming population’s public transport needs but this seems to have come to nought as far as public funding of it goes. 

 

 

 

[Sir Rols]

9 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

@SirRols  Thank goodness QSAC is now looking decidedly shaky as the Track and Field venue should there be the expected change of government on 27 Oct.

No AF. Last year you gaslit us with your “chaos and embarrassment “ quote when you were trying to shut down anyone who suggested any alternative to the Gabba.

Now you’ve suddenly become a champion of BRT buses, and want to gaslight everyone on how sufficient and workable it is. Oh, but also give yourself some wriggle room that a (possible) LNP government, might (possibly) ditch QSAC track and field. In which case, we can only assume, such transport plans all becomes “chaotic and embarrassing” again. 

This whole thread is just another off your gaslighting “information” threads to detract and smother any critical discussion or commentary on Brisbane. And to make sure you’ve put your scent mark on the Brisbane forums as well.

It was really active and pleasant on here while you were serving your post restrictions. It now looks you can’t help yourself and want to go back to your old ways. Careful - I don’t think you’ll have as much leeway after your last warning. But by all means, give yourself plenty of rope.

[AustralianFan]

5 hours ago, Sir Rols said:

Now you’ve suddenly become a champion of BRT buses, and want to gaslight everyone on how sufficient and workable it is. Oh, but also give yourself some wriggle room that a (possible) LNP government, might (possibly) ditch QSAC track and field. In which case, we can only assume, such transport plans all becomes “chaotic and embarrassing” again. 

 

This thread is about the Brisbane 2032 Olympic Transport Network and what critical transport infrastructure exists or is planned in Brisbane and South East Queensland to make the Games transportation needs work in 2032.

Discussion is invited on this important topic as there has been much discussion in various threads around Brisbane and SEQ’s current and future transport capability.

So, discussion and views on Brisbane 2032’s transportation capability at Games time are openly invited and welcomed.

[Australian Kiwi]

Brisbane "Metro" is not a "Metro" - its flexible buses. 

 

[Australian Kiwi]

Someone needs their post limit back. 

[Bear]

On 8/21/2024 at 5:13 PM, Australian Kiwi said:

Brisbane "Metro" is not a "Metro" - its flexible buses. 

 

to be fair, in LA:

[ejaycat]

23 hours ago, Bear said:

to be fair, in LA:

And to clarify, the Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transit Authority (MTA, or LAMTA) decided to brand itself as "Metro" some decades ago, but officially it still is the LA MTA.  That's why you will hear the terms "Metro Bus" and "Metro Rail." It was to provide consistency in terminology, because prior to that, you'd hear the media and people in general refer to "Metro Rail" and an "MTA bus."  

Aside from the Metro Bus example above, below is an example of Metro Rail:

Metro Rail (photo by me):

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In Los Angeles, "Metro" isn't just the train system, but the whole MTA system.

To make matters a little more confusing, the Greater Los Angeles commuter rail system is called Metrolink, which is an entirely different system and spans the Greater LA five-county region.  

Edited August 24 by ejaycat