Paris 2024 Ceremonies - Verdict

[Rob2012]

 

12 minutes ago, FYI said:

Oh, okay, Rob. I didn't know that my complaining about someone else still complaining about the ceremonies would get your panties in a bunch (but it appears that I'm not the only one that shares that sentiment here, though). But thank you nonetheless for your passive-aggressive comment. Cause I would've never known that this was the ceremonies verdict thread had it not been for you! And as far as ignoring things that aren't your thing, maybe practice what you preach next time, thanks! 

Nah, not the same. You're pouncing on people for no reason at all, just for posting opinions on the ceremony in the thread designated for that. You're getting personal for no reason, not adding anything to the topic, and I don't think that's on so I said so. Sorry.

Edited August 6, 2024 by Rob2012

[FYI]

WHAT?! How am I "pouncing on people & getting personal for no reason at all"?!  Criticizing people's opinions is NOT getting "personal". But call it what you will if you want to use "pouncing" on people's opinions, but last time I checked, this is GB's afterall. And again, it looks like I wasn't the only one to share that same sentiment. However, "getting personal & pouncing on me for NO reason at all" IS exactly what you're doing right now! 

[Sir Rols]

The ceremonies folk have always been a part of GamesBids, and they‘re passionate. For all that, it‘s (usually) just harmless geekdom. I’m glad they help keep the board active between games.

I’m nowhere near as invested as many of them, but I’m interested enough in ceremonies to be opinionated about them when I feel like wading in. Paris’ had some major problems (and triumphs) but I feel they’re a very minor part of the overall success of these games - I enjoy, observe and, yes, judge the whole carnival.

[Rob2012]

Except you're not "criticising people's opinions" on the ceremony by offering a different point of view, you're sneering at people for daring to post their opinions at all.

Edited August 6, 2024 by Rob2012

[FYI]

Difference of opinions on the OC have all been offered up-&-down in this very thread since July 26th, but that still doesn't stop some to KEEP complaining about it. What DIFFERENT POV are they offering besides still complaining about the very same things they did on July 26th?! So because of that, no else can say any rebuttal about it?! C'mon! 

And speaking about not adding anything to the topic, that's precisely what you're doing right now with your attack on me ATM. 

[Rob2012]

I'm not attacking you, I'm pointing out what you're doing.

[Rob2012]

4 minutes ago, FYI said:

So because of that, no else can say any rebuttal about it?

Again, you didn't offer a single rebuttal to the points made, you just told people to stop complaining/posting.

I hadn't seen the video kev posted in the post above that, so he was adding something new. I thought that was quite a fun look behind the scenes at what the commentators were dealing with tbh.

Edited August 6, 2024 by Rob2012

[FYI]

I'm not doing anything that MANY others on here haven't done themselves over the years, including yourself.

[FYI]

5 minutes ago, Rob2012 said:

Again, you didn't offer a single rebuttal to the points made, you just told people to stop complaining/posting.

Again, what "point" that hasn't been already made in how many pages of this thread already since July 26th?!

And that's a total LIE & you know it!! I never once told anyone to stop posting or to complain. You're just EMBELLISHING now so you can "pounce & sneer" at me for whatever your odd point is.

8 minutes ago, Rob2012 said:

I hadn't seen the video kev posted in the post above that, so he was adding something new. I thought that was quite a fun look behind the scenes at what the commentators were dealing with tbh.

 Well, to quote another favorite poster of mine here, "good for you". But to me (& apparently others) it just looked like something more to complain about the OC for, with the rain coming down & people trying to cover themselves. I hardly found it to be 'adding something new'. Only found it to be to make a point on their part on how the Paris OC was "the worst ever" (their words).

[FYI]

10 minutes ago, FYI said:

And that's a total LIE & you know it!! I never once told anyone to stop posting or to complain. You're just EMBELLISHING now so you can "pounce & sneer" at me for whatever your odd point is.

And actually, that's what you're basically doing here, Rob. By pretty much telling me to stop posting/complaining. So talk about the double-standard here, to say the least.

[Rob2012]

You're complaining about people writing entirely on-topic posts. I've merely been pointing out that that's a bit stupid.

Again. Not the same. But you're overreacting to my pointing this out, and you're just playing dumb at this point, so this will be my last post.

Edited August 6, 2024 by Rob2012

[kevzz]

24 minutes ago, FYI said:

Well, to quote another favorite poster of mine here, "good for you". But to me (& apparently others) it just looked like something more to complain about the OC for, with the rain coming down & people trying to cover themselves. I hardly found it to be 'adding something new'. Only found it to be to make a point on their part on how the Paris OC was "the worst ever" (their words).

If they have held it in a stadium, or more thoughtful preparation for the paying spectators, media and VIPs, they would have make the seating stands with canopy over it and rain would not be an issue for them. 

I have really enjoyed the Games so far, great atmosphere in all events and the organising committee have done an excellent job in this. It's just the opening ceremony I have beef with, and that's why this topic is for.

I still think it's the worst ever OC, and Athens is the best ever. That's my opinion.

 

[sebastien1214]

Just now, kevzz said:

I still think it's the worst ever OC, and Athens is the best ever. That's my opinion.

 

Even the opening ceremony of Hitler's Games was better?

[FYI]

Whatever, Rob. You've been "merely" doing much more than that. You're just being completely sanctimonious & extremely critical over something that really didn't merit any of that. Maybe you get your kicks that way, IDK. But it was really uncalled for.

[kevzz]

7 minutes ago, sebastien1214 said:

Even the opening ceremony of Hitler's Games was better?

I'm comparing it to the time when opening ceremonies start to become a 'thing' and spectacle, say from LA 1984 onwards.

Of course I am aware that comparing Paris to the others is a little unfair because it's so unusual and it's outside the stadium. But still, I still think in this day and age, they have all the technology, knowledge and skill to pull this off but unfortunately they didn't.

 

 

[kevzz]

1 hour ago, Sir Rols said:

Considering Athens‘ still sparks debates here now, Paris will be an eternal argument point. 

I love Athens OC! I can talk about it anytime, forever and will always defend it!

[TorchbearerSydney]

Q: I'm comparing it to the time when opening ceremonies start to become a 'thing' and spectacle, say from LA 1984 onwards.

Moscow 1980? 

[Sir Rols]

8 hours ago, kevzz said:

I love Athens OC! I can talk about it anytime, forever and will always defend it!

I’ve got no problem with that, or stating it. I’m glad to see the ceremonies discussed and defended. Much better than the culture war pile on. And good for GamesBids.

I think Athens’ was really good. Just too solemn for my taste - I missed a bit of levity and joy in it. It’s telling that my favourite part, the Klepsydra, is the part that many people who like ceremonies to be more focussed to the spectators in the stadium are less enamoured with.

I hate to say it, but I don’t think Sochi has been beaten yet.

Paris’OC will fuel ceremonies debate for a long time. It didn’t match its ambition. I just hope it hasn’t killed future attempts at innovation to the format.

[sebastien1214]

4 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

Paris’OC will fuel ceremonies debate for a long time. It didn’t match its ambition. I just hope it hasn’t killed future attempts at innovation to the format.

Well, if it can reassure you, we will not go to the stadium in 2030 given how much we loved this ceremony in France. It was already in the plans not to have the ceremonies at the stadium before July 26 (Estrosi having mentioned the Promenade des Anglais for the closing), and in my opinion we will push to never go to the stadium in 2030.

For 2026, it would have been illusory to think that Paris could have upset the plans of Milano-Cortina even in the event of a huge success; you don't upset these kinds of plans in a year and a half. For 2028, we will have to see if LA decides to change its plans or to keep the idea of the two stadiums. I think they will keep this idea.

And so that leads us to 2030 where I am convinced that we will continue to try to innovate. Then there's 2032, but then... well, let's try to find the main stadium before we talk about the ceremonies.

(and in a way, for me the Paris opening ceremony still perfectly fulfilled one of its ambitions: to shake everything up. So of course it didn't please. But even without taking into account the fact that we didn't do it in a stadium, how many ceremonies can claim to have changed so many things? Parade of athletes mixed with the show, relay of the flame which becomes the common thread of the show, electric cauldron and not with the real flame in it, and I may be forgetting things... we like it or we don't, but someone has to try new things at some point just to see what happens)

[Sir Rols]

6 minutes ago, sebastien1214 said:

And so that leads us to 2030 where I am convinced that we will continue to try to innovate. Then there's 2032, but then... well, let's try to find the main stadium before we talk about the ceremonies.

I sure hope so. I’m definitely on board with shaking up the format. And I don’t rate Paris as a total fail - there’s a lot I loved. I’m glad it didn’t play it safe.

Edited August 6, 2024 by Sir Rols

[guilherme b]

10 hours ago, kevzz said:

I'm comparing it to the time when opening ceremonies start to become a 'thing' and spectacle, say from LA 1984 onwards.

Of course I am aware that comparing Paris to the others is a little unfair because it's so unusual and it's outside the stadium. But still, I still think in this day and age, they have all the technology, knowledge and skill to pull this off but unfortunately they didn't.

 

 

 

[JMarkSnow2012]

11 hours ago, sebastien1214 said:

Even the opening ceremony of Hitler's Games was better?

If the technology of the time had been capable of capturing the night-time performance of "Olympic Youth" which followed the opening of the 1936 Games, we might well have regarded it with the same ambivalence as Leni Riefenstahl's "Olympia"- a magnificently creative work forever associated with a despicable motivation.

[JMarkSnow2012]

1 hour ago, Sir Rols said:

I hate to say it, but I don’t think Sochi has been beaten yet.

In a sense that's true, but largely because the Sochi opening was a pastiche of what had worked best in previous years!

[Sir Rols]

1 minute ago, JMarkSnow2012 said:

In a sense that's true, but largely because the Sochi opening was a pastiche of what had worked best in previous years!

Most are - hence why I’m a bit jaded with the tradional format.

[JMarkSnow2012]

11 hours ago, kevzz said:

I still think in this day and age, they have all the technology, knowledge and skill to pull this off but unfortunately they didn't.

That raises a point about Olympic Broadcasting Services: their approach to ceremonies does not favour ambition. Dimitris Papaioannou was unhappy with their work in 2004; in 2012 they were pretty much at war with the ceremonies team. They can do broad-brush work like 2008 and 2016, but the more detail they have to work with, the worse they perform.