Paris 2024 Ceremonies - Verdict

[krow]

i love it when my culture gets to genocide, rape, murder and conquer an entire continent and then the mildest possible pushback that maybe, possibly, that wasn't cool is deemed inappropriate 24 years later by 23 year olds on the internet. 

so glad we have pikyok to tell his fellow citizens what they should and should not say in their democracy because he, personally, might feel uncomfortable. 

democracy is when nobody ever gets to speak their mind except when pikyok says it doesn't cross a line that might hurt his feelings. 

so proud to be part of this incredibly enlightened conversation 

[krow]

truly one of the most braindead things i've ever read in my entire life.

glad to know my country isn't the only one that's completely given up on educating its citizens.

[MisterSG1]

5 minutes ago, krow said:

truly one of the most braindead things i've ever read in my entire life.

glad to know my country isn't the only one that's completely given up on educating its citizens.

Does your country go around shaming itself before every sporting event in the Big 4, I know for the vast majority of cases, the answer is no. Only the Seattle Kraken of the NHL who play in the Climate Pledge Arena, have the stupidity of the land acknowledgment.

Im quite aware of the situation in Tulsa now, it was ruled that it’s on three separate reservations, so this now means the law applies to certain people based on race. There was a case over a Tulsa Police Officer giving a native a speeding ticket and resulted in going to the Supreme Court with again siding with the native.

So much for the law applying to everyone.

[krow]

3 minutes ago, MisterSG1 said:

Does your country go around shaming itself before every sporting event in the Big 4, I know for the vast majority of cases, the answer is no. Only the Seattle Kraken of the NHL who play in the Climate Pledge Arena, have the stupidity of the land acknowledgment.

Im quite aware of the situation in Tulsa now, it was ruled that it’s on three separate reservations, so this now means the law applies to certain people based on race. There was a case over a Tulsa Police Officer giving a native a speeding ticket and resulted in going to the Supreme Court with again siding with the native.

So much for the law applying to everyone.

i appreciate you for staying out of our slutty gay thread.

all love 

[MisterSG1]

10 minutes ago, krow said:

i love it when my culture gets to genocide, rape, murder and conquer an entire continent and then the mildest possible pushback that maybe, possibly, that wasn't cool is deemed inappropriate 24 years later by 23 year olds on the internet. 

so glad we have pikyok to tell his fellow citizens what they should and should not say in their democracy because he, personally, might feel uncomfortable. 

democracy is when nobody ever gets to speak their mind except when pikyok says it doesn't cross a line that might hurt his feelings. 

so proud to be part of this incredibly enlightened conversation 

The entire world has been in endless battle for conquest, the borders of Europe changed drastically throughout history, only since World War II has there been a static understanding of political borders for the most part.

Throwing the serious word “genocide” around when you can’t say that’s what happened at all. Did they literally line up the indigenous in Australia and shoot them one after another. I don’t think so.

Why should pikyok, who didn’t have a damn thing to do about this, and heck I don’t even know his ancestry have to be responsible about this, why should he have to feel guilty for something he didn’t do.

If you want to piss off your paying customers, go ahead, remember that the paying customers can vote with their wallet like I said with the NBA earlier.

I was a big fan of the Jays and have only went to one game since COVID, I refuse to go since they started doing a video land acknowledgment.

[Sir Rols]

2 minutes ago, MisterSG1 said:

Throwing the serious word “genocide” around when you can’t say that’s what happened at all. Did they literally line up the indigenous in Australia and shoot them one after another. I don’t think so.

Actually, yes.

List of massacres of Indigenous Australians

Edited July 30 by Sir Rols

[Sir Rols]

Anyway, Welcome to Country is not a matter of shaming anyone. Merely acknowledging who the original inhabitant are.

[Bear]

unlike what some people believe, feelings are NOT an alternative to history!

[MisterSG1]

1 minute ago, Sir Rols said:

Anyway, Welcome to Country is not a matter of shaming anyone. Merely acknowledging who the original inhabitant are.

Why does that matter, maybe the Celts should get a land acknowledgment from the Anglo-Saxons then, now you understand how ridiculous this sounds?

This is what’s said in Ottawa schools these days, every single morning

“I would like to begin by acknowledging that the land on which we gather is the
traditional unceded territory of the Algonquin Anishnaabeg People. The Algonquin
peoples have lived on this land since time immemorial. We are grateful to have the
opportunity to be present in this territory.”

Now “unceded” is not even a word, and can you expect a 3 year old to understand the seriousness of that word?

This leads to a good political question, if it’s unceded, then whose land is it? Keep in mind modern cities like Vancouver are on unceded land, something that was never heard around here until like 2018, does this mean entire cities like Vancouver are in fact on a reserve? Imagine the consequences of that

[Bear]

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/unceded

denying history, now words? unlike what some people believe, thoughts are NOT an alternative to school!

[Gonzo]

48 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

List of massacres of Indigenous Australians

Now post a list of colonists massacres by Aborigines ....

**** happened both ways 150 plus years ago, nothing to do with me and I have nothing to say sorry, apologize or feel guilt for. My relatives were living in Poland at the time herding cows

They were welcomed to Australia by boat in the 1950's so I don't need to be welcomed to the land I was born on at every sporting, concert or public event I attend

[Sir Rols]

My parents were living in Germany and Sweden. And also were welcomed, and came to love, their adopted land. I’ve considered myself winning the lottery of life being born and being able to grow up in this country. Doesn’t mean I can’t acknowledge I’ve enjoyed the fruits and prospered in a society that was formed and built on the dispossession and blood of the original inhabitants. 

Edited July 30 by Sir Rols

[AustralianFan]

18 minutes ago, MisterSG1 said:

Why does that matter, maybe the Celts should get a land acknowledgment from the Anglo-Saxons then, now you understand how ridiculous this sounds?

This is what’s said in Ottawa schools these days, every single morning

“I would like to begin by acknowledging that the land on which we gather is the
traditional unceded territory of the Algonquin Anishnaabeg People. The Algonquin
peoples have lived on this land since time immemorial. We are grateful to have the
opportunity to be present in this territory.”

Now “unceded” is not even a word, and can you expect a 3 year old to understand the seriousness of that word?

This leads to a good political question, if it’s unceded, then whose land is it? Keep in mind modern cities like Vancouver are on unceded land, something that was never heard around here until like 2018, does this mean entire cities like Vancouver are in fact on a reserve? Imagine the consequences of that

@MisterSG1 as a proud Aboriginal man from Wudjari country and part of the Noongar nation in south western Australia, I find your comments in this thread disrespectful, completely false and bigoted, regurgitated from your geographically location on the other side of the world.

I will respectfully show you the difference between a

Welcome to Country  and  Acknowledgement of Country

 

Welcome to Country

A “Welcome to Country” can only be delivered by the Traditional Owners/Custodians of the land on which the event takes place.

Acknowledgement of Country

If a Traditional Owner is not available to do a Welcome to Country, an Acknowledgement of Country can be delivered instead.

An Acknowledgement of Country is usually delivered as part of Welcome and Housekeeping at meetings and events.

There are three types of Acknowledgement of Country:

Generic — this should be used if you don’t know the name of the people on whose land you are gathered, or if there are disputes about the land (multiple Aboriginal peoples identify as Traditional Custodians for that area).

The words are:

'I begin today by acknowledging the Traditional Custodians of the land on which we gather/meet today, and pay my respects to their Elders past and present. I extend that respect to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples here today.'

Specific — this should be used where there are no disputes and you know the name of the people on whose land you are gathered.

The words are:

'I begin today by acknowledging the <insert name of people here (e.g. Ngunnawal)> people, Traditional Custodians of the land on which we <gather/meet> today, and pay my respects to their Elders past and present. I extend that respect to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples here today.'

General (Australia wide) - The words are:

'In the spirit of reconciliation the [organisation] acknowledges the Traditional Custodians of Country throughout Australia and their connections to land, sea and community. We pay our respect to their Elders past and present and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples today.'

[PikyoK]

1 hour ago, krow said:

i love it when my culture gets to genocide, rape, murder and conquer an entire continent and then the mildest possible pushback that maybe, possibly, that wasn't cool is deemed inappropriate 24 years later by 23 year olds on the internet. 

so glad we have pikyok to tell his fellow citizens what they should and should not say in their democracy because he, personally, might feel uncomfortable. 

democracy is when nobody ever gets to speak their mind except when pikyok says it doesn't cross a line that might hurt his feelings. 

so proud to be part of this incredibly enlightened conversation 

I believe that everyone is entitled to free speech and the right to speak their political beliefs and values. What I do believe is that when it comes to events that are intended to be apolitical and uniting the world with sport and athleticism like the Olympics, political messaging in the olympics from the host country or around the world must be set aside and not shown. Outside the Olympics, you can do or say whatever you want.

[PikyoK]

1 hour ago, krow said:

truly one of the most braindead things i've ever read in my entire life.

glad to know my country isn't the only one that's completely given up on educating its citizens.

That's fine. Take it as you will. 

[AustralianFan]

9 minutes ago, Gonzo said:

Now post a list of colonists massacres by Aborigines ....

**** happened both ways 150 plus years ago, nothing to do with me and I have nothing to say sorry, apologize or feel guilt for. My relatives were living in Poland at the time herding cows

@Gonzo  as a proud Aboriginal man from Wudjari country and part of the Noongar nation in south western Australia, educating students and wider Australia on the true history is important.

The Australian Reconciliation Barometer Survey shows that the majority of all Australians believe it’s important to learn about the Indigenous history and cultures, 86% agreed that it is important that all Australians know about Indigenous cultures.

You can’t teach an old timer new tricks, but we can educate the young ones on Australia’s history for a better united future.  Although there are many cross cultural awareness courses available either in-person or on-line if you wish to broaden your knowledge and understanding.

As far as educating students goes, learning about Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander histories and cultures allows students to develop respect for diversity and understanding cultural diffferences.

While school cuuriculum content is up to each state and territory governments, it is so important that students are taught a rich and well-rounded knowledge of Australia’s history, warts and all.

This also promotes the closing of the gap between Indigenous and non-Indigenous Australians on life expectancy, educational achievements and employment opportunities.

Including Indugenous content in Australia’s classrooms has been shown to improve educational outcomes of Indigenous students.

A consistent, national curriculum will allow all Australian students to deepen their knowledge of the world’s oldest living continuous cultures and bring Australians together.

 

[Sir Rols]

39 minutes ago, Gonzo said:

Now post a list of colonists massacres by Aborigines ....

There’s hardly equivalency. Don’t tell me we wouldn’t fight back as well if our country was invaded.

[krow]

On 7/26/2024 at 7:50 PM, Sir Rols said:

When I see it described unironically as “woke”, I know that they hit the right note and triggered the right snowflakes who seem to think compassion and inclusiveness are some kind of weakness and scourge.

But we knew Putin’s troll factories would be slavering away today. 

tapping the sign again.

[FYI]

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You can’t teach an old timer new tricks, but we can educate the young ones on Australia’s history for a better united future.

Sure, cause it seems like that's working out quite well with apparently younger individuals like yokpik.

[PikyoK]

1 hour ago, MisterSG1 said:

Why should pikyok, who didn’t have a damn thing to do about this, and heck I don’t even know his ancestry have to be responsible about this, why should he have to feel guilty for something he didn’t do.

 

29 minutes ago, Gonzo said:

happened both ways 150 plus years ago, nothing to do with me and I have nothing to say sorry, apologize or feel guilt for. My relatives were living in Poland at the time herding cows

They were welcomed to Australia by boat in the 1950's so I don't need to be welcomed to the land I was born on at every sporting, concert or public event I attend

Nothing to do with me as well. My ancestors at the time were in Greece growing and cultivating olive trees...literally. My grandparents were from Greece and were welcomed as well. Greeks and all the other cultures that came to Australia at the time experienced racism and a sense of outcast. Despite these hurdles and challenges, My grandparents and family were welcomed and are now proud to call ourselves Australians without shaming anyone for past experiences we faced when we came here. 

I respect Acknowledgements to Countries but I find that the more they occur in just about every gathering, the more the meaning gets lost. Every citizen is entitled to their home. We can share it and cherish it. No one owns the land but we can belong to it. 

[Gonzo]

20 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

There’s hardly equivalency. Don’t tell me we wouldn’t fight back as well if our country was invaded.

The thing is that far far far more people were killed in black on black inter tribal violence than white on black/black on white violence 150 years ago. Even today in Alice Springs rival clans are still going at it trying to hack each other with machetes .... but that is hardly mentioned

[Sir Rols]

1 minute ago, Gonzo said:

The thing is that far far far more people were killed in black on black inter tribal violence than white on black/black on white violence 150 years ago. Even today in Alice Springs rival clans are still going at it trying to hack each other with machetes .... but that is hardly mentioned

So? But that’s not Government policy

Edited July 30 by Sir Rols

[MisterSG1]

55 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

@MisterSG1 as a proud Aboriginal man from Wudjari country and part of the Noongar nation in south western Australia, I find your comments in this thread disrespectful, completely false and bigoted, regurgitated from your geographically location on the other side of the world.

I will respectfully show you the difference between a

Welcome to Country  and  Acknowledgement of Country

 

Welcome to Country

A “Welcome to Country” can only be delivered by the Traditional Owners/Custodians of the land on which the event takes place.

Acknowledgement of Country

If a Traditional Owner is not available to do a Welcome to Country, an Acknowledgement of Country can be delivered instead.

An Acknowledgement of Country is usually delivered as part of Welcome and Housekeeping at meetings and events.

There are three types of Acknowledgement of Country:

Generic — this should be used if you don’t know the name of the people on whose land you are gathered, or if there are disputes about the land (multiple Aboriginal peoples identify as Traditional Custodians for that area).

The words are:

'I begin today by acknowledging the Traditional Custodians of the land on which we gather/meet today, and pay my respects to their Elders past and present. I extend that respect to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples here today.'

Specific — this should be used where there are no disputes and you know the name of the people on whose land you are gathered.

The words are:

'I begin today by acknowledging the <insert name of people here (e.g. Ngunnawal)> people, Traditional Custodians of the land on which we <gather/meet> today, and pay my respects to their Elders past and present. I extend that respect to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples here today.'

General (Australia wide) - The words are:

'In the spirit of reconciliation the [organisation] acknowledges the Traditional Custodians of Country throughout Australia and their connections to land, sea and community. We pay our respect to their Elders past and present and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples today.'

So let me get this straight, you are an Indigenous Australian, but yet your screen name is AustralianFan, I’m a little bit confused about this whole shall we say contradictory situation.

Canadian First Nations have a very strong hatred towards Canada, perhaps the attitude isn’t as bad with Aboriginal Australians and Australia as I wouldn’t know.

There’s also the big question regarding treaties which I admit have no idea how they worked there, but they are a strong contentious issue here. Particularly the issues of “unceded territory”

Vancouver’s 2030 proposed bid if I recall was a complicated quagmire between several First Nations and Vancouver as well.

I remember reading that Canada’s military budget is less than the amount of money they are constantly forced to give to First Nations, I do think people are finally starting to get angry about that up here.

[AustralianFan]

Just now, MisterSG1 said:

So let me get this straight, you are an Indigenous Australian, but yet your screen name is AustralianFan, I’m a little bit confused about this whole shall we say contradictory situation.

Don’t be confused.

I am an Indigenous Australian. That is me, that is who I am and my history, always has, always will be.

My profile name on Gamesbids.com is AustralianFan.  That’s only an onscreen electronic profile name.

[PikyoK]

11 minutes ago, Gonzo said:

The thing is that far far far more people were killed in black on black inter tribal violence than white on black/black on white violence 150 years ago. Even today in Alice Springs rival clans are still going at it trying to hack each other with machetes .... but that is hardly mentioned

Sad to see Alice Springs turn out to be this way.