Paris 2024 Medal Table

[Sir Rols]

We‘re going to be needing this before too long.

And just like those other evergreen debates - metric versus imperial measures, day/month/year versus month/day/year and universal healthcare versus private medicine - we’ll encounter the old US medal tallies (ranked by total medals) versus Rest of the World medal tallies (ranked by number of golds).

Any predictions by members of how your national team is going to perform? Australia is hoping for fifth or six place with around 15 gold, give or take.

 

[Bear]

i think america will end up with at least one gold medal. maybe more, probably not less 🙂

[StefanMUC]

5 hours ago, Bear said:

i think america will end up with at least one gold medal. maybe more, probably not less 🙂

Same for Europe.

 

[Sir Rols]

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[Sir Rols]

Day 3

[sebastien1214]

How do I imagine the person from B/R who made this crude and false medal table to manipulate opinion:

 

[FYI]

The U.S. has always done it by the overall medal count. So it's a not a 'manipulation' by BR. ESPN (& others) also has it reflected that way right now, too.

Besides, why should silver & bronze medalist be made to feel any less worthy than a gold medalist? That's what would be crude & false. The men's U.S. gymnastics team, for example, were still thrilled with their Bronze Olympic medals (as they should've been).

[sebastien1214]

10 minutes ago, FYI said:

The U.S. has always done it by the overall medal count. So it's a not a 'manipulation' by BR. ESPN (& others) also has it reflected that way right now, too.

Besides, why should silver & bronze medalist be made to feel any less worthy than a gold medalist? That's what would be crude & false. The men's U.S. gymnastics team, for example, were still thrilled with their Bronze Olympic medals (as they should've been).

No, what I was targeting in their tweet is the fact that they put France at the bottom when we have 16 medals in total. If they really want to make a ranking by total number of medals, it doesn't make sense since they put countries in front of us that had fewer.

[FYI]

That is strange (didn't even notice until you mentioned it).

ESPN has it right though:

Total Medals By Country

GROUP	G	S	B	TOTAL
United States	3	8	9	20
France	5	8	3	16
Japan	6	2	4	12
China	5	5	2	12
Great Britain	2	5	3	10
Australia	5	4	0	9
South Korea	5	3	1	9
Italy	2	3	3	8
Canada	2	1	2	5

[Sir Rols]

[AustralianFan]

 

21 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

“Weird way America is rigging medal tally at Olympics”

Ok so some  USA media networks, including NBC and New York Times are reporting that USA is on top of the medal tally, which is clearly not correct. 

Take a look st this:

Weird way USA is rigging the medal tally at Paris 2024

Several other outlets have taken up reportimg this:

 

 

18 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

Fake news. Comes up at every games. The US has ALWAYS ranked by medal totals. Just their weird way.

 

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@Sir Rols it’s not fake news.  

It’s the height of arrogance and incorrect by those major USA media outlets who are actually brazenly reporting themselves on top of the medal tally - which is bollocks.

The official medal tally from the IOC and Paris 2024 organisers shows the correct standings.

As we speak now, USA are 4th on the medal tally.

The actual leader right now on the official medal tally on the Paris 2024 Medal Tally on Olympics.com is Peoples Republic of China.

 

[Sir Rols]

9 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

 

It’s the height of arrogance and incorrect by those major USA media outlets who are actually brazenly reporting themselves on top of the medal tally - which is bollocks.

The official medal tally from the IOC and Paris 2024 organisers shows the correct standings.

But it has happened at EVERY SINGLE GAMES. We’ve had this same argument here at every single games. The US always have and still do their rankings by total. I can understand their reasoning, even if I don’t accept their count. I’ve grown up on the Gold Standard, and agree that’s what the IOC uses, but the US aren’t ever going to change their rankings just because the rest of the world disagrees with their particular methodology.

The world media knows all this, of course, but it gives them a cheap headline to stoke at every games.

Edited August 3, 2024 by Sir Rols

[AustralianFan]

2 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

But it has happened at EVERY SINGLE GAMES. We’ve had this same argument here at every single games. The US always have and still do their rankings by total. I can understand their reasoning, even if I don’t accept their count. I’ve grown up on the Gold Standard, and agree that’s what the IOC uses, but the US aren’t ever going to change their rankings just because the rest of the world disagrees with their particular methodology.

I seriously was not aware that the USA media have their own medal tally, which stretches the truth and up-ends the offical Olympic Medal Tally to make them feel better.

It’s really bad form, and as mentioned, the height of arrgogance.

[Sir Rols]

20 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

I seriously was not aware that the USA media have their own medal tally, which stretches the truth and up-ends the offical Olympic Medal Tally to make them feel better.

It’s really bad form, and as mentioned, the height of arrgogance.

I could link you to similar discussions in all the other games forums here.

you might think it’s arrogance. For the US it’s just their custom. They think our system is unfair and doesn’t reward total team strength and effort. Tomayto, tomahto.

I believe Canada also uses the rank by totals method.

Edited August 3, 2024 by Sir Rols

[Rob2012]

Yep, AustraliaFan getting way too worked up about this.

Although I note when you go to the Olympics' own website, past Games' medal tables are ranked alphabetically, and then you can choose how you sort them. Very diplomatic, though a bit weird to see Afghanistan on top when you first go to the page... e.g.

https://olympics.com/en/olympic-games/beijing-2008/medals

[AustralianFan]

 

31 minutes ago, Rob2012 said:

 I note when you go to the Olympics' own website, past Games' medal tables are ranked alphabetically, and then you can choose how you sort them. 

 

Well we’re talking about the Paris 2024 official medal table on Olympics.com 

No.  USA is most certainlg not leading the official Paris 2024 medal table at this point.

The reality is that USA is now currently 5th on the Paris 2024 Medal Table as at 13:21 Paris time, 3 August 2024..

No amount of discussion by those US media outlets is going to change that, regardless of how many Games they’ve been feeding bollocks to their viewers/readers.

[Rob2012]

18 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

No.  USA is most certainlg not leading the official Paris 2024 medal table at this point.

And most of the world agrees, so chill.

I don't know when the US started using the totals system, but it's been as long as I can remember, and as far as I know it's not because of any wish to big themselves up (nearly always the country that wins the most Golds wins the most medals anyway). As Rols says, it's just their convention.

Officially the IOC takes no position on which is right - they could if they wanted, but they don't. But it makes sense that the Paris 2024 website goes along with how most of the world does it (and indeed, how France does it).

It's just one of those things. No bad intent from anyone afaik.

Edited August 3, 2024 by Rob2012

[krow]

4 hours ago, Rob2012 said:

I don't know when the US started using the totals system, but it's been as long as I can remember, and as far as I know it's not because of any wish to big themselves up (nearly always the country that wins the most Golds wins the most medals anyway). As Rols says, it's just their convention.

i did wonder a few years ago if the whole thing started as a marketing ploy during the WOG, where we do not win the most golds but do respectably in silver/bronze.

i've come around to thinking its dumb to rank them by totals. maybe a weighted system (3 points for gold; 1 for bronze) would make more sense. 

[krow]

7 hours ago, Sir Rols said:

I believe Canada also uses the rank by totals method.

they need to cause all they win is bronze baby!!!!

[Sir Rols]

12 hours ago, Rob2012 said:

And most of the world agrees, so chill.

I don't know when the US started using the totals system, but it's been as long as I can remember, and as far as I know it's not because of any wish to big themselves up (nearly always the country that wins the most Golds wins the most medals anyway). As Rols says, it's just their convention.

Officially the IOC takes no position on which is right - they could if they wanted, but they don't. But it makes sense that the Paris 2024 website goes along with how most of the world does it (and indeed, how France does it).

It's just one of those things. No bad intent from anyone afaik.

I remember a few Olympiads back I researched the history of the tables and posted it here.

In a nutshell, for a long, long time, there was NO “official” medal table - the IOC discouraged any and all medal tables and refused to endorse them. But that didn’t stop the various national presses doing their own. Many early ones used various complex point systems (that always no doubt flattered their national readerships). During the Cold War in the 50’s, for example, the US and Soviets had competing medal systems using different point systems and waged propaganda wars against each other over them.

IIRC, it was only in the 1960s that the IOC caved in and even acknowledged medal tables. Based in Lausanne, it’s not surprising they adopted the Gold Standard, but I don’t think it’s the case that they ascribe theirs as “official” and others as  false. They certainly have never disputed the right of the North Americans to follow their custom. Indeed, as per Wikipedia:

The IOC itself does not publish all-time tables, and publishes unofficial tables only per single Games. 

That said, here’s the Medal Table a the hallway mark outside of North America:

 

Edited August 4, 2024 by Sir Rols

[FYI]

I just have a problem of treating the Silver & Bronze medalists as if they don't matter, like second/third-class citizens, cause of the "gold standard". All that says, is that if you don't win gold, then you don't really matter. Silver & Bronze medals (also) matter! 

Tell that to all the Silver & Bronze Olympic medalists that have put in just as many years of hard, vigorous (& expensive, very time-consuming) training, just like their gold-medalist counterparts, to try & achieve their Olympic dreams, & a lot of times, the difference between all three medals, are literally 1/10's of a second. Just so arm-chair enthusiasts can sit back & say it's all "bullocks". 

[guilherme b]

I agree there should be a fairer way to consider this type of scoring. Is considering gold as 3 points, silver as 2 points, and bronze as 1 point such an absurd idea capable of causing a geopolitical crisis?

[AustralianFan]

7 hours ago, FYI said:

I just have a problem of treating the Silver & Bronze medalists as if they don't matter, like second/third-class citizens, cause of the "gold standard". All that says, is that if you don't win gold, then you don't really matter. Silver & Bronze medals (also) matter! 

Yes, Silver and Bronze Medallists do matter. They always have and always will along with all competitors.

Silver and Bronze Medallists are taken into account when a country is ranked on the Medal Table.

1. Initial ranking is by the number of Gold Medals
2. Then countries have the same number of Gold Medals, the ranking is next by the number of Silver Medals  then by the number of Bronze Medals.
3. Countries with no gold or silver medals but have Bronze Medals, are ranked in alphabetical order if their bronze medal numbers are equal.

For example, the latest Medal Table (as at 06:48am, 4 August), France and Australua have equal numbers of gold medals at 12 each, but France is ranked above Australia because it has more silver medals.  The same reason Italy is ranked above Netherlands because it has more silver medals.

 

[krow]

3 hours ago, guilherme b said:

I agree there should be a fairer way to consider this type of scoring. Is considering gold as 3 points, silver as 2 points, and bronze as 1 point such an absurd idea capable of causing a geopolitical crisis?

well, i used to like the idea but i'm seriously reconsidering now that i know you're on board.

[Sir Rols]

The kiwis always like ranking by medals per capita - but I think St Lucas’s moved above them on that table this year.