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Who will win 2014?  

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  1. 1. Candidate Cities:

    • Salzberg, Austria
      38
    • PyeongChang, South Korea
      46
    • Socchi Russia
      51


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Ultimately, I don't think Salzburg has much a chance, I see it as that token frontrunner.

2014 is too soon to return to Western Europe after Turin 2006 and London 2012. Wait until 2018 when it can battle against more Western European cities like Munich or even a Scandinavian bid to see if its really got it. I think Salzburg would be an amazing host, but 2014 is just not the year.

Which leaves us with PC and Sochi. I'm quite torn. It would be nice to see the Winter Olympics held in Asia outside Japan. PyeongChang is deserving after its loss for 2010. I reakon if they cant do 2014, Korea should be quick because after Beijing, China will be hungry for a Winter Games.

On another note I do feel Russia deserves these 2014 Olympics the most, I dont think the World is ready for another Moscow Olympics, but its one of the Worlds best Winter Olympic nations. Bring on Sochi 2014! (....or PyeongChang..)

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Austria plans serious investments into Sochi in connection with Olympic Games-2014 - Except for the Russian companies, in investment of means in Olympic objects of Sochi also are interested as well foreigners. The chapter of administration of city-resort has informed on it Victor Kolodjazhnyj. " Austrian company " Shtrebek " will borrow in a construction of the easy underground... And what about Salzburg?)))

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but korea is also a dominant force in the Winter Olympics.... Well.... It usually makes it into the top 10 list, basically earning more medals than any other Asian country....

So..... just like Russia, isn't it deserving too? But yeah, Russia is very deserving as they've been part of the Winter Olympics for a long time~

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but korea is also a dominant force in the Winter Olympics.... Well.... It usually makes it into the top 10 list, basically earning more medals than any other Asian country....

So..... just like Russia, isn't it deserving too? But yeah, Russia is very deserving as they've been part of the Winter Olympics for a long time~

Russia - one of the most important winter sports powers of the world!!! And what about yours Korea? Unless shorts-tracks can brag...

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Austria plans serious investments into Sochi in connection with Olympic Games-2014 - Except for the Russian companies, in investment of means in Olympic objects of Sochi also are interested as well foreigners. The chapter of administration of city-resort has informed on it Victor Kolodjazhnyj. " Austrian company " Shtrebek " will borrow in a construction of the easy underground... And what about Salzburg?)))

I think you mean STRABAG, and I didn´t hear anything about this before, but it could be true. I had just to make a presentation about the company a few weeks ago. I could imagine that they invest in Sochi, as STRABAG is one of the biggest construction companies in Eastern Europe with many subsidiaries there. The company profits from the good economical situation in Eastern Europe.

If you speak about Salzburg - the difference is that Salzburg just doesn´t need so much infrastructure towards 2014. STRABAG modernized the skijump in Bischofshofen, which is available for summer competitions also now, in 2003. The EURO stadium in Salzburg gets enlarged at the moment (don´t know from which company). There are modernizations in the traffic-sector (new railway bridge in Salzburg, new rapid train service stations in and around Salzburg, new motorwy tunnels, etc.).

So, sure, Western European companies are interested in investments in the Eastern European region, because the economical situation is good. And as far as I understood, in Sochi the constructions began after being shortlisted, so there will be invested, whether if Sochi gets the games or not, right?

It´s quite good for the Austrian companies to get orders in Russia. That doesn´t mean anything towards Salzburg´s bid.

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I think you mean STRABAG, and I didn´t hear anything about this before, but it could be true. I had just to make a presentation about the company a few weeks ago. I could imagine that they invest in Sochi, as STRABAG is one of the biggest construction companies in Eastern Europe with many subsidiaries there. The company profits from the good economical situation in Eastern Europe.

If you speak about Salzburg - the difference is that Salzburg just doesn´t need so much infrastructure towards 2014. STRABAG modernized the skijump in Bischofshofen, which is available for summer competitions also now, in 2003. The EURO stadium in Salzburg gets enlarged at the moment (don´t know from which company). There are modernizations in the traffic-sector (new railway bridge in Salzburg, new rapid train service stations in and around Salzburg, new motorwy tunnels, etc.).

So, sure, Western European companies are interested in investments in the Eastern European region, because the economical situation is good. And as far as I understood, in Sochi the constructions began after being shortlisted, so there will be invested, whether if Sochi gets the games or not, right?

It´s quite good for the Austrian companies to get orders in Russia. That doesn´t mean anything towards Salzburg´s bid.

You are absolutely right - investments into Sochi will be carried out is not dependent on that is will win city Olympiad or not, is simple if "are not present" - they will be little bit less...)

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I didn't find again a topic in wich we were discussing about the bigness of the cities hosting the WOGs in the past (small cities, resorts, big cities in the area...).

I did a little research on wikipedia and found out that we had in the past WOGs (the population is referred to these years, so not very scientific research about the pop in the year of the bid):

VAncouver 545.000

Torino 908.000

SaltLakeCity 181.743

Nagano 383.486

Lillehammer 25.070

Albertville 18.190

Calgary 956.000

Sarajevo 529.000

Lake Placid 2.600

Innsbruck 140.000

Sapporo 1.882.424 (I think this one refers to the metropolitan area)

Grenoble 514.500

Squaw Valley ???

Cortina d'Ampezzo 5.954

It seems that big cities have won the bid in recent times. Maybe it's time for little ones? Or IOC will continue on this tendency?

Take notes about the bidders' population:

PyeongChang 46.531

Salzburg 150.000

Sochi 328.800

What do you think????

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It seems that big cities have won the bid in recent times. Maybe it's time for little ones? Or IOC will continue on this tendency?

Take notes about the bidders' population:

PyeongChang 46.531

Salzburg 150.000

Sochi 328.800

What do you think????

It seems that the IOC is thinking of bigger cities in both the Winter and Summer Games lately.

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I doubt its an official or unofficial policy to go to big cities _ they've just beeen the ones who have managed to present good bids lately. If a smaller location, like Lillehammer did or PyeongChang is trying to do in this case, can present a workable plan, they'll always be in with a chance. One thing about the WOGs is that they need such specialised venues (800m downhill course, bobsled runs etc) that even when it goes to bigger cities like Torino or Vancouver, events still have to be spread over a larger region. So in one way a small town should be able to anchor a games as well as a big city.

That said, it can only get harder for smaller towns to do it as the Winter Olympics grow and more events get added.

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I'm sure you're releaved to believe that! ;)

LOL!! :lol:

What's that old saying,"Never mind the quality,feel the width!" (or should that be "length?") ;)

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Vancouver's metro area is around 2 million. And Whistler adds a whopping 20k more. ;)

Let's assume all the bids are equally sound, even if some are better on paper than others. All 3 could host. Remember Paris' bid was rated slightly higher than London's, but when it came time to vote...

Pyeongchang has (or is getting) a fair bit of experience hosting winter world cup events. Salzburg has 'em already. Sochi, not so much. I'd rank that Salz/Pyeong/Sochi.

Korea is stable and prosperous. Ditto Austria. Russia, less so. And Sochi is near to some of the "breakaway" regions/republics of the Caucus. I'd rank that Pyeong/Salz/Sochi.

Scandals: Russia blood doping at Salt Lake, Austria blood doping at Salt Lake, Korea influence peddling by IOC member in 1990s. Call that a draw. ;)

Rotation: 2012 Europe 2010 Canada 2008 Asia 2006 Europe 2004 Europe 2002 US 2000 Australia. That would mean NOT Europe or North America. I'd rank Pyeong/Salz/Sochi.

Finally, where would IOC members like to go? That's easy: Salz/Pyeong/Sochi.

But I think rotation will put it into Pyeonchang's hands.

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I agree with most of the above, but I don't think "rotation" is going to be a factor in this race and if it favours anyone it would be the Russians. In fact, the Sochi bid is almost more Western Asian than it it Eastern European. Asia gets the Olympics about once every decade and with 2008 right next door to Korea in Beijing, 6 years isn't that far. Beijing is as close to Korea as London is to Austria.

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lol. let's call vancouver as asia as well. it's not far away...;)

Well we do sometimes call our fair city Hongcouver: we're almost 40% Asian here.

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Rotation could be played up if some IOC members or Bid Committee's start nagging it, like what happened for NYC in the begining getting naged at over Vancouver winning 2010. As for who will win I think Salzburg will take the games home, but it is going to be close. Maybe closser than 2010.

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For me I hope Sochi wins 2014 and I expect Harbin 2018. If Pyeongchang didn't win 2014, my opinion is Harbin have more chances for 2018.

Of course, that depends on a successful Beijing2008 and Harbin2009. :)

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First, I'm inclined to agree with the evaluation commission and say that all three contenders could be strong hosts. A particular bid might be stronger in one area than another, but to all intents and purposes no bid is vastly superior or the obvious underdog.

That means the IOC is going to vote on gut impulse. Sure, they always do this, but I think it's an even bigger factor this time around.

While I agree that the IOC does not subscribe to strict continental rotation, I do think they are always looking to keep the Olympics feeling fresh and new. Somehow going from Turin to Vancouver to Salzburg doesn't have that "cutting edge feel". No matter how romantic the setting, no matter what the previous sporting experience, no matter how heavily the IOC is weighted with European members -- Salzburg has to prove that they can push the Olympics forward into new territory. Despite an excellent bid, I don't know that they will be able to create the necessary aura. Salzburg is the safe, predictable choice -- not because the city is boring, but because it doesn't offer the dramatic variety that the IOC seems to like in the Olympic landscape. Politics could be Salzburg's saving grace depending on what happens in North Korea and how Russia weighs in on the Middle East.

In addition to Samsung, Pyeongchang has bona fide zeal. As London 2012 proves, this goes a long way with the IOC. Huge popular support and an obvious commitment to building a winter sports legacy make this bid very attractive. Pyeongchang tugs at the IOC's heart because it wants the Games the most -- not necessarily because it is the most deserving. Seoul did host in '88. Korea doesn't have history of monumental success at the Winter Games (apart from short track) and Beijing is hosting in 2008. When the IOC votes in 2007 will they be ready to return to Asia so soon or will they be in the mood for a change of scenery? This is a very tough question, but I think it's quite possible that poor Pyeongchang may have its heart broken. If the city loses 2014 and can muster the courage to bid for 2018 with equal enthusiasm, I think they're almost guaranteed success (unless Tokyo gets 2016, which IMO is not totally far-fetched).

So this leaves Sochi. Something about Sochi's bid feels a bit "wild card" to me. They've never bid before. They don't have much history hosting international competition. Russia hasn't developed a bidding track record for the Winter Olympics. On the surface it looks like Sochi just hasn't paid its dues. However, Russia is a major winter sports power and has been for decades. This point is inescapable. They haven't paid their dues with their previous bids -- they've paid their dues with their athletes. Clearly, Russia still loves the Olympics and points to her athletes with enormous nationalistic pride. Their athletic success recalls the glory days of the USSR as a superpower. Ultimately the Games are all about the athletes. I believe that there is a very good chance that the IOC will choose to reward the impressive Russian sports legacy with the chance to host their first Winter Olympics. In addition to a proud sporting tradition, Sochi feels like an exotic locale -- sunny beaches juxtaposed to sparkling ski slopes. As odd as this sounds, it is the least European-feeling of the European candidates. There's enough oil money to fund construction of venues and infrastructure. There is no chance that the IOC will take a chance on Russia hosting a Summer Games anytime soon, but Sochi gives them the perfect opportunity to reward the Olympic powerhouse with the smaller Winter Games.

Despite the good quality of all the bids, I'd rank their technical merits like this:

1 Salzburg

2 Pyeongchang

3 Sochi

This is a tight, tight race and I'm hesitant to make hard and fast predictions. However, in terms of wooing the IOC's hearts and winning the Games, here's my hypothesis:

1 Sochi

2 Pyeongchang

3 Salzburg

(Incidentally, MY heart was won by Almaty, alas....)

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That was a really good analysis,Athensfan.Thanks for that.

I agree that this could be shaping up to be a very close race indeed.There seem to be good reasons for picking any one of these three locations and equally good reasons why none of them should be rejected.

Like you,I think that it is so close that the eventual winner will be the one that just manages to do that little bit extra to catch the IOC's attention,like London 2012 managed to do!

All the Olympic bidding races now seem to be shaping up the same way.There are no clear favourites anymore and that will include the race for 2016.And this is all to the good as it makes each candidate city work that little bit harder to justify landing the coveted prize!

And of course it makes it much more fun for us Gamesbidders to speculate on!!

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