FYI Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Salzburg, another Sion? Well, we'll just have to wait & see then, 'til July 4th in Guatemala City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenica Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Well, my opinion is: Salzburg has passed up a golden opportunity to get the Games - finally after several tries. They forgot to do some very important jobs in the past. The result we will see in July Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Well, my opinion is: Salzburg has passed up a golden opportunity to get the Games - finally after several tries. They forgot to do some very important jobs in the past. The result we will see in July Good to see you back Zenica, truly. I wouldn't give up on Salzburg yet, I do think any of the three could still makee it. I can guess what opportunities you think salzburg missed, but I'd like to hear exactly what you see those reasons are. PS _ Congrats _ you picked right with Platini! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangwon Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 I would think Salzburg is still very much a part of the race. The contest for 2014 will be too close to call before the actual vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anno Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 I´m a little bit disappointed that everyone thinks Salzburg has no good bid. The austrian drug scandal is a big problem, but what about the corruption scandals of korean IOC members, the doping scandal of the russian skiwomen in SLC..... I think there was no point in the evaluation report that Sochi is near Abchasia, a part of Georgia, where russian toops support the rebels agains Georgia. I think there was no point about the unsecure Situation between North and South Korea. Austria is a very secure country and one of the richest in the world. The budget of the games is not the highest but everyone can be sure that salzburg can manage the games on the highest level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Well, I don't know about you guys, but Putin's remarks just before the G8 Summit in Germany (now on-going) about Bush's defense missile plans didn't go well for me. I know that he has his reasons for saying for what he has said and they could be legitimate. But, when you are representing a country trying to get the Olympic Games just less than a month before the IOC decision and go "flying in the mouth" like that, there could be some backlash in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 I agree. And Maniad brought up the same point in another thread. Yeah, I don't see how his hot mouth is gonna win any points with IOC members (especially the Western European ones) less than 4 weeks to the 2014 vote. Kinda reminds me when Jacques Chirac opened his lovely mouth just days before the 2012 vote. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRJWAREAGLE Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 Who is favored to win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 I agree. And Maniad brought up the same point in another thread. Yeah, I don't see how his hot mouth is gonna win any points with IOC members (especially the Western European ones) less than 4 weeks to the 2014 vote. Kinda reminds me when Jacques Chirac opened his lovely mouth just days before the 2012 vote. lol Or the one who opened his mouth by those who heard it, before the 2008 vote, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jensen1981 Posted June 10, 2007 Report Share Posted June 10, 2007 The Russians are smart. Personally, I think Sochi will win it. The PyeongChang-bid is.....too perfect, too slim-lined, too well-prepared. Remember the hurried bid of Lillehammer? It was a small city of which no one ever heard of before the 1994 Winter Olympics. And: They got the Olympics right after Lillehammer's first bid. The result was: An ever-lasting ultra-legacy of which Norway nowadays still profits. Furthermore, after the Albertville 1992 Games, it was a fresh, clean and polite experience. Jacques Rogge also expressed his concerns about the greenhouse effect and radical climate changes on the planet. He said in an interview last year with Dutch television that the IOC will certainly take this aspect into account. Therefore, it would be the ultimate chance to show the world how beautiful the world can be in untamed Sochi. Everyone should feel these 'clean games'. Furthermore, the Sochi Games will have a profound effect on the future opening-up of the region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 Lillehammer won the '94 Games on it's second bid, not first. Lillehammer also tried, but failed, for the '92 Games which were won by Albertville. So Lillehammer's bid wasn't hurried. Sochi is just getting started in the whole bid process, & their bid seems far too risky at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 "Jacques Rogge also expressed his concerns about the greenhouse effect and radical climate changes on the planet. He said in an interview last year with Dutch television that the IOC will certainly take this aspect into account. Therefore, it would be the ultimate chance to show the world how beautiful the world can be in 'untamed' Sochi. Everyone should feel these 'clean games'." Huh? How is constructing everything from scratch (like Sochi's bid is proposing, since they have zero facilities in place) supposed to be good for the environment? The statement above totally contradicts what Sochi's bid really is. If the IOC is going to take climate into consideration for the 2014 Games, then the city ahead in that category would be Salzburg (since they have most of their venues in place), followed by Pyeongchang. Sochi would be the least friendly to the environment, considering the vasts amounts of construction needed there for a Winter Olympics. "It was a small city of which no one ever heard of before the 1994 Winter Olympics." Other than these forums, most have never heard of the small city of Pyeongchang either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 Or the one who opened his mouth by those who heard it, before the 2008 vote, too. You mean Mel Lastman? I had forgot all about that. I wonder how many Torontonians actually do think his words are the ones to have been Toronto's demise. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave199 Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 You mean Mel Lastman? I had forgot all about that. I wonder how many Torontonians actually do think his words are the ones to have been Toronto's demise. lol Probably lost a few votes but it wouldn't have mattered anyways. That Mayor annoyed me sometimes but he was really passionate for his city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave199 Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 With a little over 3 weeks left until the winner is chosen. I believe Sochi will win it. It's so hard to believe that a Winter sporting power in the Olympics have never hosted the Winter version. Even though this is their first bid I believe they will win on the final ballot over Pyeongchang. With Sochi winning, Tokyo's bid for 2016 is safe and the bids from the European countries actually would still have life in them once Salzburg loses. Poor Salzburg will get Fucked over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 It's still too close to call it. The vote will be just about as close as the 2010 vote was. And if Putin keeps running at the mouth, that might be all it takes too sink their bid even further. And in a tight race like 2012 was as well (i.e. Jacques Chirac), but unlike 2008 where it didn't matter (cause Beijing was gonna win no matter what), leaders or high-ranking officials shouldn't be spouting at the mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave199 Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 People's emotion get the best of them sometimes and let things slip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 I suppose. But when one's a leader, particularly a president of a so-called "democratic" nation, you shouldn't be saying that you 'might' blow up your neighbors because you 'think' you have a valid reason to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 You mean Mel Lastman? I had forgot all about that. I wonder how many Torontonians actually do think his words are the ones to have been Toronto's demise. lol Yeah, him. In any case, just as dave199 said, the IOC really had Beijing on their minds anyway then, despite of what is going on over there now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfm Jeremie Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 Sochi is just getting started in the whole bid process, & their bid seems far too risky at the moment. Sochi did already bid for 1998 (but withdrew before the vote) and for 2002 (but didn't make it among the finalist cities). So technically, it is not Sochi first bid. Sochi is clearly the most risky bid of the three but I don't know whether it is "too risky" for the IOC... Reading through the evaluation commission report, I haven't seen a "bid killing" sentence. Although it's not the most likely outcom, I wouldn't be flabbergasted if Sochi wins the 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 "Sochi did already bid for 1998 (but withdrew before the vote) and for 2002 (but didn't make it among the finalist cities). So technically, it is not Sochi's first bid." While that is technically correct, however, the 2014 bid is their first bid that the IOC is actually paying any attention to. Not to mention, those other attempts (while really in the application phase, & not 'bidding' process per se, especially the 2002 one, since Sochi was not short-listed for that campaign) were not consecutive. So Sochi has waited 12 years to get back on the saddle. I really wouldn't call that a record of any sort. "Sochi is clearly the most risky bid of the three but I don't know whether it is 'too risky' for the IOC... Reading through the evaluation commission report, I haven't seen a 'bid killing' sentence." Perhaps not 'bid killing', but I would consider the sentence in the report of "having to 'monitor' the extensive construction very closely" as of great concern. "Although it's not the most likely outcome, I wouldn't be flabbergasted if Sochi wins the 2014 race." I wouldn't be flabbergasted, either. Because we all the IOC does take great risks from time-to-time. Prime example (as we all know) of this is Beijing. But unlike the 2008 race, the 2014 one does have another exotic, new & exciting location that is better prepared & already has a previous 'consecutive' bid behind their belt. So, it does seem that Pyeonchang would have the edge in the race in that aspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfm Jeremie Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 Up to 2008 there was no "applicant" phase only bid phase. So Sochi did really bid for 2002 (a bid book was published, Sochi was visited by the Evaluation Commission) even though it was not selected as a finalist city. I do agree that Sochi has clearly raised greater concern from the evaluation commission than the other two. This being said, it's nothing similar to what it got back in 1995 ("Due to the high number of new venues needed to be built, the current status of the Russian economy, the financial plan carries too high a risk.") or what Istanbul ("Although a few new major venues are already in place, the commission is not convinced that the complex planning needed to stage the Games has been fully grasped") and Osaka ("The financial aftermath for the city induced by the scale of the infrastructure project is a source of concern. The Commission is not convinced that this problem could be solved") got for 2008. That's why I think that the Commission has deliberately left the door open to Sochi. But again, I do agree with you that PyeongChang is the city to beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.x Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 wow.....19 days till the decision and these forums are like, dead. Salzburg has my full support, though i'm not sure if it'll win. good luck to PC too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 Don't worry, mr.x. It will start to get interesting, as the decision date gets closer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 Don't worry, mr.x. It will start to get interesting, as the decision date gets closer. Exactly. Once those members start arriving in Guatemala, I'm sure we're going to see a lot more action, and not just the 2014 decision (I assume there'll be live threads here for THAT particular piece of proceedings). Between the London logo and the upcoming decision, it's actually been one of the busier times on the board for this year at least! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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