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Who Do You Think Will Win 2014?


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Who will win 2014?  

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  1. 1. Candidate Cities:

    • Salzberg, Austria
      38
    • PyeongChang, South Korea
      46
    • Socchi Russia
      51


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Well, my opinion is: Salzburg has passed up a golden opportunity to get the Games - finally after several tries. They forgot to do some very important jobs in the past. The result we will see in July

Good to see you back Zenica, truly.

I wouldn't give up on Salzburg yet, I do think any of the three could still makee it.

I can guess what opportunities you think salzburg missed, but I'd like to hear exactly what you see those reasons are.

PS _ Congrats _ you picked right with Platini!

;)

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I´m a little bit disappointed that everyone thinks Salzburg has no good bid. The austrian drug scandal is a big problem, but what about the corruption scandals of korean IOC members, the doping scandal of the russian skiwomen in SLC.....

I think there was no point in the evaluation report that Sochi is near Abchasia, a part of Georgia, where russian toops support the rebels agains Georgia. I think there was no point about the unsecure Situation between North and South Korea.

Austria is a very secure country and one of the richest in the world. The budget of the games is not the highest but everyone can be sure that salzburg can manage the games on the highest level

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Well, I don't know about you guys, but Putin's remarks just before the G8 Summit in Germany (now on-going) about Bush's defense missile plans didn't go well for me. I know that he has his reasons for saying for what he has said and they could be legitimate. But, when you are representing a country trying to get the Olympic Games just less than a month before the IOC decision and go "flying in the mouth" like that, there could be some backlash in return.

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I agree. And Maniad brought up the same point in another thread. Yeah, I don't see how his hot mouth is gonna win any points with IOC members (especially the Western European ones) less than 4 weeks to the 2014 vote. Kinda reminds me when Jacques Chirac opened his lovely mouth just days before the 2012 vote. lol

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I agree. And Maniad brought up the same point in another thread. Yeah, I don't see how his hot mouth is gonna win any points with IOC members (especially the Western European ones) less than 4 weeks to the 2014 vote. Kinda reminds me when Jacques Chirac opened his lovely mouth just days before the 2012 vote. lol

Or the one who opened his mouth by those who heard it, before the 2008 vote, too.

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The Russians are smart.

Personally, I think Sochi will win it. The PyeongChang-bid is.....too perfect, too slim-lined, too well-prepared. Remember the hurried bid of Lillehammer? It was a small city of which no one ever heard of before the 1994 Winter Olympics. And: They got the Olympics right after Lillehammer's first bid. The result was: An ever-lasting ultra-legacy of which Norway nowadays still profits. Furthermore, after the Albertville 1992 Games, it was a fresh, clean and polite experience.

Jacques Rogge also expressed his concerns about the greenhouse effect and radical climate changes on the planet. He said in an interview last year with Dutch television that the IOC will certainly take this aspect into account. Therefore, it would be the ultimate chance to show the world how beautiful the world can be in untamed Sochi. Everyone should feel these 'clean games'. Furthermore, the Sochi Games will have a profound effect on the future opening-up of the region.

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Lillehammer won the '94 Games on it's second bid, not first. Lillehammer also tried, but failed, for the '92 Games which were won by Albertville. So Lillehammer's bid wasn't hurried. Sochi is just getting started in the whole bid process, & their bid seems far too risky at the moment.

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"Jacques Rogge also expressed his concerns about the greenhouse effect and radical climate changes on the planet. He said in an interview last year with Dutch television that the IOC will certainly take this aspect into account. Therefore, it would be the ultimate chance to show the world how beautiful the world can be in 'untamed' Sochi. Everyone should feel these 'clean games'."

Huh? How is constructing everything from scratch (like Sochi's bid is proposing, since they have zero facilities in place) supposed to be good for the environment? The statement above totally contradicts what Sochi's bid really is. If the IOC is going to take climate into consideration for the 2014 Games, then the city ahead in that category would be Salzburg (since they have most of their venues in place), followed by Pyeongchang. Sochi would be the least friendly to the environment, considering the vasts amounts of construction needed there for a Winter Olympics.

"It was a small city of which no one ever heard of before the 1994 Winter Olympics."

Other than these forums, most have never heard of the small city of Pyeongchang either.

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Or the one who opened his mouth by those who heard it, before the 2008 vote, too.

:lol: You mean Mel Lastman? I had forgot all about that. I wonder how many Torontonians actually do think his words are the ones to have been Toronto's demise. lol

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:lol: You mean Mel Lastman? I had forgot all about that. I wonder how many Torontonians actually do think his words are the ones to have been Toronto's demise. lol

Probably lost a few votes but it wouldn't have mattered anyways. That Mayor annoyed me sometimes but he was really passionate for his city.

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With a little over 3 weeks left until the winner is chosen. I believe Sochi will win it. It's so hard to believe that a Winter sporting power in the Olympics have never hosted the Winter version. Even though this is their first bid I believe they will win on the final ballot over Pyeongchang. With Sochi winning, Tokyo's bid for 2016 is safe and the bids from the European countries actually would still have life in them once Salzburg loses. Poor Salzburg will get Fucked over again.

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It's still too close to call it. The vote will be just about as close as the 2010 vote was. And if Putin keeps running at the mouth, that might be all it takes too sink their bid even further. And in a tight race like 2012 was as well (i.e. Jacques Chirac), but unlike 2008 where it didn't matter (cause Beijing was gonna win no matter what), leaders or high-ranking officials shouldn't be spouting at the mouth.

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I suppose. :rolleyes: But when one's a leader, particularly a president of a so-called "democratic" nation, you shouldn't be saying that you 'might' blow up your neighbors because you 'think' you have a valid reason to do so.

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:lol: You mean Mel Lastman? I had forgot all about that. I wonder how many Torontonians actually do think his words are the ones to have been Toronto's demise. lol

Yeah, him. <_<

In any case, just as dave199 said, the IOC really had Beijing on their minds anyway then, despite of what is going on over there now.

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Sochi is just getting started in the whole bid process, & their bid seems far too risky at the moment.

Sochi did already bid for 1998 (but withdrew before the vote) and for 2002 (but didn't make it among the finalist cities). So technically, it is not Sochi first bid.

Sochi is clearly the most risky bid of the three but I don't know whether it is "too risky" for the IOC... Reading through the evaluation commission report, I haven't seen a "bid killing" sentence.

Although it's not the most likely outcom, I wouldn't be flabbergasted if Sochi wins the 2014.

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"Sochi did already bid for 1998 (but withdrew before the vote) and for 2002 (but didn't make it among the finalist cities). So technically, it is not Sochi's first bid."

While that is technically correct, however, the 2014 bid is their first bid that the IOC is actually paying any attention to. Not to mention, those other attempts (while really in the application phase, & not 'bidding' process per se, especially the 2002 one, since Sochi was not short-listed for that campaign) were not consecutive. So Sochi has waited 12 years to get back on the saddle. I really wouldn't call that a record of any sort.

"Sochi is clearly the most risky bid of the three but I don't know whether it is 'too risky' for the IOC... Reading through the evaluation commission report, I haven't seen a 'bid killing' sentence."

Perhaps not 'bid killing', but I would consider the sentence in the report of "having to 'monitor' the extensive construction very closely" as of great concern.

"Although it's not the most likely outcome, I wouldn't be flabbergasted if Sochi wins the 2014 race."

I wouldn't be flabbergasted, either. Because we all the IOC does take great risks from time-to-time. Prime example (as we all know) of this is Beijing. But unlike the 2008 race, the 2014 one does have another exotic, new & exciting location that is better prepared & already has a previous 'consecutive' bid behind their belt. So, it does seem that Pyeonchang would have the edge in the race in that aspect.

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Up to 2008 there was no "applicant" phase only bid phase.

So Sochi did really bid for 2002 (a bid book was published, Sochi was visited by the Evaluation Commission) even though it was not selected as a finalist city.

I do agree that Sochi has clearly raised greater concern from the evaluation commission than the other two.

This being said, it's nothing similar to what it got back in 1995 ("Due to the high number of new venues needed to be built, the current status of the Russian economy, the financial plan carries too high a risk.") or what Istanbul ("Although a few new major venues are already in place, the commission is not convinced that the complex planning needed to stage the Games has been fully grasped") and Osaka ("The financial aftermath for the city induced by the scale of the infrastructure project is a source of concern. The Commission is not convinced that this problem could be solved") got for 2008.

That's why I think that the Commission has deliberately left the door open to Sochi.

But again, I do agree with you that PyeongChang is the city to beat.

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Don't worry, mr.x. It will start to get interesting, as the decision date gets closer.

Exactly.

Once those members start arriving in Guatemala, I'm sure we're going to see a lot more action, and not just the 2014 decision (I assume there'll be live threads here for THAT particular piece of proceedings).

Between the London logo and the upcoming decision, it's actually been one of the busier times on the board for this year at least!

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