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Concerned for the future of the Olympic movement in Brisbane 2032.


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21 minutes ago, yoshi said:

Even from afar, I know Queensland has a reputation for being a bit parochial but to not ask for advice when the chance is there to learn from the best?! Truly gaga :ph34r:

It's an inferiority complex. When you've always been behind the shadow of Sydney (& Melbourne), & the butt of all the jokes, you're gonna do your best to "show them" how they can do it all on their own. 

24 minutes ago, yoshi said:

(Also I'd have thought the private sector would be all over opportunities from this, even the stadium itself. Who wouldn't want to get involved in Olympic development in somewhere growing like Brisbane/GC is? You obviously know how to handle mixed-sector development...)

Why bother, if in the end the gov't will pay for it anyway. And it's not like the private sector is going to build the other stuff, like roads & transportation links. 

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1 hour ago, yoshi said:

best Games ever held

not necessarily related to the topic of this thread but what do you guys is the best games ever held? or at least up there in the top echelon? How does one even make that decision about what the "best games are"? Best organization, best atmosphere? Best olympics experiences for spectators? 

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Still dont get the 'expense' argument for a new stadium....Brisbane needs a new stadium sooner or later. Wasting a billion on a temporary solution for the Games is madness.

Even with a 2 billion AUD stadium, this will be a relatively low cost Games. With the AUD low (like in Sydney) sponsorship and TV rights (denoted in USD) will be enormous in AUD terms and will help pay for a lot.

Who knows where this will end- I stand by my comment the Federal Govt will step in at some stage, even as a mediator. Its going in circles now.

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35 minutes ago, venuedesignlover said:

not necessarily related to the topic of this thread but what do you guys is the best games ever held? or at least up there in the top echelon? How does one even make that decision about what the "best games are"? Best organization, best atmosphere? Best olympics experiences for spectators? 

I don’t really like the term, or the bragging, of “the best games ever”. It’s all so intangible, depends on luck and timing, is totally subjective, and also depends a lot on your age perspective and memory - I’ve read a lot of old accounts describing Rome 1960 as “the best Ames ever”. And it’s unfair to compare games over different time periods - is it really fair to compare Stockholm 1912 to Barcelona or Sydney? I think the best you can say is that a games was successful for its time.

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1 hour ago, TorchbearerSydney said:

Still dont get the 'expense' argument for a new stadium....Brisbane needs a new stadium sooner or later. Wasting a billion on a temporary solution for the Games is madness.

Tell that to Coates & Co.

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7 hours ago, TorchbearerSydney said:

Still dont get the 'expense' argument for a new stadium....Brisbane needs a new stadium sooner or later. Wasting a billion on a temporary solution for the Games is madness.

Even with a 2 billion AUD stadium, this will be a relatively low cost Games. With the AUD low (like in Sydney) sponsorship and TV rights (denoted in USD) will be enormous in AUD terms and will help pay for a lot.

Who knows where this will end- I stand by my comment the Federal Govt will step in at some stage, even as a mediator. Its going in circles now.

Is the OCOG paying for (at least part of) the stadium construction? Otherwise I don’t see how the sponsorship and broadcasting revenues will help to pay for it.

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8 hours ago, Sir Rols said:

I don’t really like the term, or the bragging, of “the best games ever”. It’s all so intangible, depends on luck and timing, is totally subjective, and also depends a lot on your age perspective and memory - I’ve read a lot of old accounts describing Rome 1960 as “the best Ames ever”. And it’s unfair to compare games over different time periods - is it really fair to compare Stockholm 1912 to Barcelona or Sydney? I think the best you can say is that a games was successful for its time.

I was just going on the general perception tbh, which is why "one of the best" is a better phrase - it is of course subjective, & I would think for almost all of us it'd be our first remembered games, plus any home games for anyone who's experienced one. Doesn't change the fact that Brisbane are being spectacularly daft if they don't draw on the knowledge & experience of those who were around in 2000...

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Actually, I think this is better placed here than in the other Brisbane thread (so maybe Rol’s can remove it from there). 
 

This piece sums it up pretty nicely, especially for those who ask why doesn’t the IOC prioritize “legacy” when it comes to the Brisbane 2032 Games..

 


 

Brisbane's Olympic venue dispute the inevitable result of two dramatically different visions


 

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/103620438

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41 minutes ago, FYI said:

This piece sums it up pretty nicely, especially for those who ask why doesn’t the IOC prioritize “legacy” when it comes to the Brisbane 2032 Games..

I would even say say the IOC isn’t prioritising legacy as much as they’re prioritising anything that they think doesn’t bring them bad publicity or shine them in a base light. Unfortunately, whatever they do around the Brisbane stadium issue they’ve painted themselves into a corner that’s generating negative blow back anyway. 

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17 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

I would even say say the IOC isn’t prioritising legacy as much as they’re prioritising anything that they think doesn’t bring them bad publicity or shine them in a base light.

Exactly, they're only concerned about "protecting the Olympic Brand", like in the article I posted last week on page one of this thread, describes. And doing "whatever it takes to do so", cause that's "their job". 

17 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

Unfortunately, whatever they do around the Brisbane stadium issue they’ve painted themselves into a corner that’s generating negative blow back anyway. 

It's like a catch-22. Because future potential hosts aren't going to be thinking about Brisbane's 'legacy', they're going to be more concerned about the - "look how much it 'actually' cost them to host". The big, blanket number that the IOC so much wants to keep at a minimum these days, so they can then easily say - "look, Brisbane was actually a cost-effective, 'low-cost' Games, & that's what essentially matters for future, potential hosts".

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But who on earth is gonna want to host an Olympics if they can't get a legacy out of what they do spend?! A circular stadium in Brisbane is gonna be used all year, every year. Your starting position is one that basically every other possible host could only dream of. Best of all, you have to build a new one in the early 30s anyway! They've admitted that! Coatesy must be an absolute genius to conclude that "needs a new circular stadium in the early 30s" & "hosting the Olympics in the early 30s" are entirely separate problems that can't be solved together :wacko:

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That all implies logic, though, which the IOC has always lacked in that dept.

I guess future cities will have to do like Ahmedabad is doing now - build your sport complexes first, then the IOC with it's (glorious) "new-norm" can then come in & say, "this city is complying with the new-norm protocols". 

They just don't want all the building 'connected' to the Olympics anymore (as it was in the past), plain & simple. Cause it's what gave them the bad-rap before with past host cities, & they want to distance themselves from all that now. "Protecting the Olympic Brand at all costs", aka - the "new-norm". 

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11 hours ago, yoshi said:

Coatesy must be an absolute genius to conclude that "needs a new circular stadium in the early 30s" & "hosting the Olympics in the early 30s" are entirely separate problems that can't be solved together :wacko:

Brilliantly put!  :lol:

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How long do we see this “new norm” and this new selection process continuing in the future? Is it really sustainable for the IOC to be making decisions the way it’s doing now? Will they ever back off on the “no new venues” maxim and support legacy plans that make sense for local development goals?

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40 minutes ago, venuedesignlover said:

How long do we see this “new norm” and this new selection process continuing in the future? Is it really sustainable for the IOC to be making decisions the way it’s doing now? Will they ever back off on the “no new venues” maxim and support legacy plans that make sense for local development goals?

As long as they can get away with it - or rather, I guess, as long as they don’t pull a major blunder or get much pushback or bad publicity to it. The thing is, it really is the epitome of flexibility in that they can make up or ignore rules at any stage or time. And so it’s sustainable indefinitely in terms it can be tailored to most circumstances. And for all you do get some muted criticism about transparency or accountability, it’s unlikely an NOC would seriously complain about it if they don’t want to damage their future hosting hopes.

The only circumstances I could see much really changing is if a candidate for IOC president won through on a promise of restoring voting powers back to the wider membership, or some huge scandal blew up that could be proved beyond doubt to be a result of blatant corruption of the “New Norm” process.

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