The GamesBids 2036 Host Discussion/Poll/Comp

[FYI]

The "southern" ocean (which I've never even heard it called that before), is the Antarctic ocean, which is basically the body of water that surrounds the continent of Antarctica, which is still quite a ways south from Australia. 

Also, looking at wiki (since that's your reference), the Indian ocean borders all of southern Australia (where Melbourne is located), not the Pacific. 

[FYI]

Actually, that definition is from the International Hydrographic Organization.

[Sir Rols]

18 minutes ago, krow said:

great! i have no idea what ocean melbourne is technically on.

wikipedia suggests indian though.

Buggered if I know either. If I’d had to guess, I probably would have said Southern Ocean. I wonder what our resident Melburnians @Australian Kiwi or @Victorian have to say?

I wondered whether the North Sea or the English Channel were considered Atlantic? Though that still only adds Amsterdam and a few sailing venues to the Atlantic tally

Edited May 2, 2024 by Sir Rols

[FYI]

What about what the International Hydrographic Organization has to say about it, the ones that actually survey & chart all the world's bodies of water.  

[FYI]

So does that mean that you just forgot to list Brisbane then.

[FYI]

And they say that Americans are bad at geography! 

[Sir Rols]

5 minutes ago, FYI said:

So does that mean that you just forgot to list Brisbane then.

Not hosted yet, so didn’t consider therm.

Anyway, just struck me as funny/interesting that the Atlantic had hosted so few Olympic events bar Rio and, at a long pitch, Savannah

[Rob2012]

"One World, One Ocean"

[sebastien1214]

No idea of what the IHO says precisely (and don't forget that the question of the names of the seas/oceans, as well as their boundaries and even their status, is an eminently political question and the same body of water may be considered differently depending on the country).

But for me, Melbourne, I think it's the Indian Ocean. In the sense that, for me, the Pacific Ocean begins after Tasmania; but as long as Tasmania is not crossed, we remain in the Indian Ocean.

On the other hand, yes, Australia is still too far away to border the Antarctic Ocean. Even the Kerguelen Islands, which are further south, are considered part of the Indian Ocean.

As for the English Channel: we, in France, have never considered it to be part of the Atlantic Ocean, the same goes for the North Sea. I don't know what the English think of it though.

[FYI]

4 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

Not hosted yet, so didn’t consider therm.

Oh, okay. I figured you were including future hosts since you said L.A. (thrice).

[Sir Rols]

12 minutes ago, sebastien1214 said:

(and don't forget that the question of the names of the seas/oceans, as well as their boundaries and even their status, is an eminently political question and the same body of water may be considered differently depending on the country).

Yeah, that’s when it starts getting messy. I remember many long moons ago having an argument with another member @Faster on whether the Adriatic was considered part of the Mediterranean. GamesBids seems to draw in a lot of geography fans.

[FYI]

15 minutes ago, sebastien1214 said:

No idea of what the IHO says precisely (and don't forget that the question of the names of the seas/oceans, as well as their boundaries and even their status, is an eminently political question and the same body of water may be considered differently depending on the country).

This is from wiki, however, the depiction below they say is from the IHO. And in it, you can clearly see, that the Indian Ocean borders all of southern Australia (where Melbourne is located, at the very eastern end of it).

And I agree, that the Antarctic (“southern”) ocean doesn’t begin until very far south from Australia, basically until you start to reach the continent of Antarctica.

And yes, I can see about the names can mean different things to different countries, but in this instance, we’re just talking about one country. 

 

 

 

8 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

GamesBids seems to draw in a lot of geography fans.

It’s what brought me here, with my love for the Olympics. They really are intertwined. I’ve loved geography ever since I was a little kid. The internationalism of the Games themselves is what brought my attention to them ITFP. 

[yoshi]

35 minutes ago, sebastien1214 said:

I don't know what the English think of it though.

Well I can't say I've thought of it much* but I don't think I'd say anywhere on the south coast of England is on the Atlantic, even if it technically is, other than maybe Cornwall at a push. Certainly I'd say anything from the edge of Cornwall eastwards along the coast is the Channel, including Weymouth of course. I've never known of anyone claiming the North Sea as part of the Atlantic, that's just weird 

(Of course it doesn't hugely matter, because as @Rob2012 says, it's really all one ocean on any coast, anywhere...)

*Except maybe to consider that "English Channel" is quite an arrogant name for something our countries share... The Channel/La Manche is fairer

Edited May 2, 2024 by yoshi
Not two countries, at least three because Belgium. Oops

[Sir Rols]

5 minutes ago, FYI said:

This is from wiki, however, the depiction below they say is from the IHO. And in it, you can clearly see, that the Indian Ocean borders all of southern Australia (where Melbourne is located, at the very eastern end of it).

And I agree, that the Antarctic (“southern”) ocean doesn’t begin until very far south from Australia, basically until you start to reach the continent of Antarctica.

And yes, I can see about the names can mean different things to different countries, but in this instance, we’re just talking about one country. 

 

 

Now that’s interesting. So, in a long-winded way of bringing it back to this thread’s relevance, that means if Doha got elected, that would make Indian Ocean hosts leapfrog Atlantic hosts into second place.

[FYI]

7 minutes ago, yoshi said:

(Of course it doesn't hugely matter, because as @Rob2012 says, it's really all one ocean on any coast, anywhere...)

We can say the same thing about land masses, too. But we all know they all still have, continental & country names, etc. 

5 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

Now that’s interesting. So, in a long-winded way of bringing it back to this thread’s relevance, that means if Doha got elected, that would make Indian Ocean hosts leapfrog Atlantic hosts into second place.

Don't forget Ahmedabad, too, if we stretch that definition out a bit! 

[Australian Kiwi]

1 hour ago, Sir Rols said:

Buggered if I know either. If I’d had to guess, I probably would have said Southern Ocean. I wonder what our resident Melburnians @Australian Kiwi or @Victorian have to say?

I wondered whether the North Sea or the English Channel were considered Atlantic? Though that still only adds Amsterdam and a few sailing venues to the Atlantic tally

Its not on any ocean - some would argue its an inland city with Port Phillip Bay effectively functioning as a saltwater lake (similar to Gippsland Lakes) off Bass Strait - which sits between the Tasman Sea (east) and Southern Ocean (west) of Tasmania. 

To answer the question, its technically a good 65km inland from the sea. Geographically its similar to Houston in this way - in how its located inland from the Gulf of Mexico via enclosed bays.

Despite this it's still very much an important maritime hub and is home to Port Melbourne - Australia's busiest.

[Australian Kiwi]

2 hours ago, krow said:

great! i have no idea what ocean melbourne is technically on.

wikipedia suggests indian though.

What Wikipedia are you on? lol

[krow]

1 hour ago, yoshi said:

 

*Except maybe to consider that "English Channel" is quite an arrogant name for something our countries share... The Channel/La Manche is fairer

if you think about it, it's actually a continental europe-oriented term, since the channel GOES to england, meaning it's being 'othered'. it's the body of water that separates that savage country (england) from true civilization (france).  

as for the indian ocean, i don't care that much, but i do think it's being very greedy. i think it's imperialistic for one ocean to claim that much territory especially as it's nowhere near the subcontinent it's even named for. it's also a bum deal for melbourne since it's right on the edge. i'd like to see a UN resolution addressing it tbh.  

[krow]

4 minutes ago, Australian Kiwi said:

Its not on any ocean - some would argue its an inland city with Port Phillip Bay effectively functioning as a saltwater lake (similar to Gippsland Lakes) off Bass Strait - which sits between the Tasman Sea (east) and Southern Ocean (west) of Tasmania. 

To answer the question, its technically a good 65km inland from the sea. Geographically its similar to Houston in this way - in how its located inland from the Gulf of Mexico via enclosed bays.

Despite this it's still very much an important maritime hub and is home to Port Melbourne - Australia's busiest.

dude this is hard cope, it's on an ocean.

[Australian Kiwi]

14 minutes ago, krow said:

dude this is hard cope, it's on an ocean.

Its not at all, but anyway. 

[Guilga]

@FYIWhoa, nice one! I stand corrected!

Lovely that amazing chain started because of my mistake. @krow, maybe you should ask for that UN resolution.

[FYI]

But he said he doesn't care about it, yet wants a UN resolution over it! 

And I don't know what he's smoking when he says "as it's nowhere near the 'subcontinent' it's even named for" when India is literally right in front of it! 

[Guilga]

11 minutes ago, FYI said:

But he said he doesn't care about it, yet wants a UN resolution over it! 

And I don't know what he's smoking when he says "as it's nowhere near the 'subcontinent' it's even named for" when India is literally right in front of it! 

Yes, you're right. But it would be funny.

[krow]

melbourne is nowhere near india is what i said. 

[iceman530]

2 hours ago, FYI said:

And they say that Americans are bad at geography! 

I like to respond "oh yeah?  Show me Hungary on this map, you have 10 seconds".  Then they clam up into a ball lol