The GamesBids 2036 Host Discussion/Poll/Comp

[Roger87]

10 hours ago, SportLightning said:

Riyadh is interested of hosting in 2036

At least now Doha looks a little more desirable now.

[FYI]

^lol, & that ain't saying much either.

So, the general consensus so far, is that India & Istanbul are at a tie. But I still think some people have voted for who they "want", when the poll is about who you THINK will get 2036.

In that case, India would be in the lead with six votes, & Seoul should have at least one. So then that would bring Istanbul down to three votes instead. 

The year most agree ATM that it'll be sometime in 2026 (when Bach hand picks the "winner").

[Sir Rols]

I voted for Doha, but really just to spread out the answers. I still don’t really know what to make of 2036 so far - it’s so much guesswork and trying to piece together clues from what little gets reported. I can see the argument leading towards India or Doha or whatever, but I still have my doubts. Maybe I’m being swayed by the momentum of the week, but Istanbul is starting to look good too.

Regarding the democratic/autocratic host dichotomy. I don’t think the IOC are unaware of the publicity blowback of supporting anti-democratic countries. They saw the diplomatic snub of the west to Beijing, and have acted in their own ham-fisted way to appease the Western outrage against Russia (even if their “solution” still pisses off all sides). And ever since the 2024-28 awards, when they started curating their hosts and then leading into the full-blown “New Norm”, they seem to have been carefully courting safe, democratically acceptable hosts - France, USA, Australia and even giving Switzerland a pinky promise for 2038. Would they feel that gives them enough clean air to dip into murkier democracies-in-name for 2036?

On the other hand, they have to choose from what they’re given, and who of the favourites, apart from perhaps Germany, don’t present some issues in that regard? How troublesome would a semi-autocratic choice like India, Turkey or Hungary be to their reputation? And how reliable would such countries like Italy or Spain (or indeed like US 2028 hosting if the Orange Bozo clawed back into office) if they were chosen?

Maybe it’s just the current worldwide angst about the rise of populist challenges to stable democracy. I’m not sure what point I’m trying to make - more rambling and thinking aloud.

[FYI]

5 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

On the other hand, they have to choose from what they’re given, and who of the favourites, apart from perhaps Germany, don’t present some issues in that regard? How troublesome would a semi-autocratic choice like India, Turkey or Hungary be to their reputation? And how reliable would such countries like Italy or Spain (or indeed like US 2028 hosting if the Orange Bozo clawed back into office) if they were chosen? Maybe it's just the current worldwide angst about the rise of populist challenges to stable democracy.

It does seem that OB is the one responsible for all of that. When he got in the first time, it's like some sectors of other countries wanted to follow suit. France comes quickly to mind here. But they managed to thwart off that BS twice. But heaven forbid if that (S)OB got back in, I'm afraid the situation in other countries could get even worse as well. Then what does the IOC (& the democratic world) do then. But that said, Bach seemingly likes to hang out with that type of crowd anyway, & it's not like the IOC now doesn't act in undemocratic ways.

[venuedesignlover]

Even though the New Norm changes a lot, what do we think out of our options is the traditional "best technical bid" and "best overall bid"? I'm thinking Istanbul could really capitalize on both considering their existing facilities, and their message of connecting two continents. Also would love them to include that harbor redevelopment from the 2020 bid come 2036. 

[capetown2020]

 

• Germany for 2036 jointly awarded with India for 2040
• Cape Town privileged dialogue for 2040/44 (in a dream world)

[capetown2020]

Just now, capetown2020 said:

 

• Germany for 2036 jointly awarded with India for 2040
• Cape Town privileged dialogue for 2040/44 (in a dream world)

I meant India/Istanbul 

[capetown2020]

That said I would prefer Madrid 2036 

[venuedesignlover]

Will a New York City summer games ever happen?

[baron-pierreIV]

On 4/10/2024 at 8:16 AM, venuedesignlover said:

Will a New York City summer games ever happen?

NEVER.  It's way past NYC's time.  But the State of NY has had their Olympic Games 2x with two Lake Placid Winter Games.  

[venuedesignlover]

On 4/23/2024 at 7:39 PM, baron-pierreIV said:

NEVER.  It's way past NYC's time.

What makes you say that? It’s an iconic global city that has a lot of sports arenas minus an Olympic athletics stadium. It can definitely follow a Paris/LA model and use mostly existing venues and temporarily venues. Build a velodrome, shooting center. The rest can be existing temporary.

[FYI]

To elaborate further on what baron said, it's really not a matter of NYC not having most of the venues, but it moreso has to do with lack of political/citizenry will. Their 2012 bid was seen mostly as a "one-&-done" deal. The city hasn't had any interest since then. They didn't even bother to engage with the USOC (along with a couple of other major cities that didn't) when it came time to bid for the 2024 Olympics (which then defaulted to the 2028 Games).

And even back then, many New Yorkers questioned at the time, why does the city even need the Olympics, since they're already a mega-tourist destination. So in their case, 'pride' wouldn't really be a factor in pursuing the Olympics. Plus, with L.A. still having to host the 2028 Olympics, it'll probably be another 20 years or so before the U.S. sees another Summer Games after that anyway.

[venuedesignlover]

Time to add Vancouver 2036 to the poll. Don’t think it’s gonna happen at all. Almost none of the venues required are needed. Could still be considered a safe host but I highly doubt the IOC will chose three anglophone countries in a row. They have better safe options that don’t need much of the infrastructure already.

https://gamesbids.com/eng/summer-olympic-bids/poll-shows-british-columbians-back-vancouver-2036-summer-olympics-bid-despite-opposition-to-winter-games/

[Sir Rols]

30 minutes ago, venuedesignlover said:

Time to add Vancouver 2036 to the poll. Don’t think it’s gonna happen at all. Almost none of the venues required are needed. Could still be considered a safe host but I highly doubt the IOC will chose three anglophone countries in a row. They have better safe options that don’t need much of the infrastructure already.

https://gamesbids.com/eng/summer-olympic-bids/poll-shows-british-columbians-back-vancouver-2036-summer-olympics-bid-despite-opposition-to-winter-games/

Done, with the Canada options now

[TorchbearerSydney]

Vancouver would be the third Pacific city in a row too! And the fourth in 5 Olympics!

[StefanMUC]

4 hours ago, TorchbearerSydney said:

Vancouver would be the third Pacific city in a row too! And the fourth in 5 Olympics!

Fifth. Don‘t forget Tahiti 

[Sir Rols]

Interesting trivia. - for all that Europe has hosted the games, Rio is the only coastal city on the Atlantic seaboard that has hosted. Whereas the Pacific has had LA (twice, soon thrice), Tokyo (twice) and Sydney.

[BigVic]

LA 2028, Brisbane 2032 and Vancouver 2036 will be 3 Pacific Olympics in a row 

[krow]

9 hours ago, Sir Rols said:

Interesting trivia. - for all that Europe has hosted the games, Rio is the only coastal city on the Atlantic seaboard that has hosted. Whereas the Pacific has had LA (twice, soon thrice), Tokyo (twice) and Sydney.

is melbourne in the southern ocean or something?

[FYI]

And I was thinking, but what about soon-to-be Brisbane.  But I guess 'technically' speaking, they're on Moreton Bay, which then leads out to the Pacific. And Melbourne is on Port Phillip Bay, which then leads out to the Bass Strait, which that then leads out into the Indian ocean & not the Pacific

[FYI]

But I guess if we want to get technical, Tokyo really isn't directly right on the 'Pacific', either. They're on Tokyo Bay, which then leads out to the Pacific. And a lot of Rio is in Guanabara Bay. Only the outskirts seem to be on the Atlantic.

[Guilga]

4 hours ago, krow said:

is melbourne in the southern ocean or something?

It's on the Pacific.

[krow]

great! i have no idea what ocean melbourne is technically on.

wikipedia suggests indian though.

[krow]

how does the indian ocean go all the way down there under a whole continent? if you look at a map it doesn't make any sense when the pacific is right there and the southern is due south. 

[FYI]

I'd say it doesn't make any sense that Melbourne is on the Pacific, & yes looking at a map one can see that. The Pacific is well east of there, while the Indian Ocean is basically right there in front of it, just beyond Port Phillip & the Bass Strait.