LIVE CHAT: 2030 and 2034 Targeted Dialogue Announcements

[Quaker2001]

 

[Bear]

Paris Session is a go-ahead because there are no other bids for 2030 anymore

[AustralianFan]

The journalist question not answered if  a change in the Olympic Charter is  required to elect France 2030 in France ??  

[Quaker2001]

Glad someone asked about Sapporo, this freezes them out for some time now

[Bear]

Just now, AustralianFan said:

The journalist question not answered if  a change in the Olympic Charter is  required to elect France 2030 in France ??  

apparently because it is no longer a competition as there is just one bid, it is not needed

[AustralianFan]

2 minutes ago, Bear said:

Paris Session is a go-ahead because there are no other bids for 2030 anymore

I thought it was because the Olympic Charter does not allow the election of a Host Country in that same Host Country?  maybe that’s not a rule in the Olympic Charter?

[Quaker2001]

1 minute ago, AustralianFan said:

I thought it was because the Olympic Charter does not allow the election of a Host Country in that same Host Country?  maybe that’s not a rule in the Olympic Charter?

Or maybe the IOC doesn't actually care about following their own rules because who is going to stop them?

[AustralianFan]

2 minutes ago, Bear said:

apparently because it is no longer a competition as there is just one bid, it is not needed

ok, fair enough, musn’t be in the Olympic Charter.

[Bear]

IOC article on the announcement:

https://olympics.com/ioc/news/the-french-alps-and-salt-lake-city-utah-invited-into-respective-targeted-dialogues-to-host-the-olympic-and-paralympic-winter-games-2030-and-2034

[Quaker2001]

Rob got in for a question.  Regarding Switzerland.. the IOC says they need to do their homework.  They need to potentially re-work their venue plan because it is too spread out.

It does sound like Switzerland is essentially being told 2038 is theirs if the IOC likes their plans.  If not, they'll look elsewhere.

[AustralianFan]

Public Referendum encouraged by the IOC FHC for Switzerland 2038

[Bear]

From the Olympic Charter:

"The election of the host of the Olympic Games takes place in a country having no candidature for the organisation of the Olympic Games concerned."

I guess one could say that the French bid is technically not a candidature at this stage but the preferred host

[AustralianFan]

Both USA and France Summer Olympic Games followed 6 years later by an Olympic Winter Games in that same country.

[AustralianFan]

1 minute ago, Bear said:

From the Olympic Charter:

"The election of the host of the Olympic Games takes place in a country having no candidature for the organisation of the Olympic Games concerned."

I guess one could say that the French bid is technically not a candidature at this stage but the preferred host

So perhaps if in March 2024 the IOC EB formally recommends France 2030 for election, it might be then the IOC schedules an extraordinary IOC Session outside France ?

 

 

 

[AustralianFan]

15 Years before 2038 Switzerland.

That’s some kind of record!

[iceman530]

Poor Sweden, they're never going to bother ever again.  Didn't see them getting left out in the cold again, but here we are.  I guess the IOC's mantra is now "we want basic and sustainable, but not TOO basic and sustainable".  If France and Switzerland didn't enter the party, Im sure they would have got it.

Be that as it may, France is absolutely the safest bid.  2030 gap questions have been answered.  We have a double, and practically a triple with Switzerland name-dropped regularly with heavy intentions for 2038.  I think that was a very smart decision on their part.  With that many strong bids coming in, you want to keep them all galvanized and interested.  Happy that the WOG's future has been sorted out for awhile.  

And yeah, Sapporo has to bide their time til 2042 or if something goes awry with Switzerland in 2038 (which the foundations have been put in place for)

 

[AustralianFan]

Just now, AustralianFan said:

15 Years before 2038 Switzerland.

That’s some kind of record!

…. but Switzerland will only be in Privileged Dialogue until 2027 and then if the IOC is satisfied by then that they’re current questions have been answered, then in 2027 the IOC will elevate Switzerland to Targeted Dialogue for 2038 as Preferred Bidder.

[AustralianFan]

4 minutes ago, iceman530 said:

Poor Sweden, they're never going to bother ever again.  Didn't see them getting left out in the cold again, but here we are.  I guess the IOC's mantra is now "we want basic and sustainable, but not TOO basic and sustainable".  If France and Switzerland didn't enter the party, Im sure they would have got it.

Be that as it may, France is absolutely the safest bid.  2030 gap questions have been answered.  We have a double, and practically a triple with Switzerland name-dropped regularly with heavy intentions for 2038.  I think that was a very smart decision on their part.  With that many strong bids coming in, you want to keep them all galvanized and interested.  Happy that the WOG's future has been sorted out for awhile.  

And yeah, Sapporo has to bide their time til 2042 or if something goes awry with Switzerland in 2038 (which the foundations have been put in place for)

 

Yes agree. Very disappointing for Sweden but the IOC FHC said they didnt have enough support from government and business.

[cfm Jeremie]

31 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

So perhaps if in March 2024 the IOC EB formally recommends France 2030 for election, it might be then the IOC schedules an extraordinary IOC Session outside France ?

 

 

 

No the article on the IOC website confirms decision will be made at IOC Session in Paris. It is just the IOC finding some flexibility in the Charter.

[AustralianFan]

Just now, cfm Jeremie said:

No the article on the IOC website confirms decision will be made at IOC Session in Paris. It is just the IOC finding some flexibility in the Charter.

Ok cool, gotcha

[AustralianFan]

26 minutes ago, iceman530 said:

Poor Sweden, they're never going to bother ever again.  Didn't see them getting left out in the cold again, but here we are.  I guess the IOC's mantra is now "we want basic and sustainable, but not TOO basic and sustainable".  If France and Switzerland didn't enter the party, Im sure they would have got it.

Be that as it may, France is absolutely the safest bid.  2030 gap questions have been answered.  We have a double, and practically a triple with Switzerland name-dropped regularly with heavy intentions for 2038.  I think that was a very smart decision on their part.  With that many strong bids coming in, you want to keep them all galvanized and interested.  Happy that the WOG's future has been sorted out for awhile.  

And yeah, Sapporo has to bide their time til 2042 or if something goes awry with Switzerland in 2038 (which the foundations have been put in place for)

 

 

24 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

…. but Switzerland will only be in Privileged Dialogue until 2027 and then if the IOC is satisfied by then that they’re current questions have been answered, then in 2027 the IOC will elevate Switzerland to Targeted Dialogue for 2038 as Preferred Bidder.

The interesting twist will be if Switzerland 2038 holds a public referendum which is then defeated.  Sweden, I would stay in continuous dialogue if I was you.

[iceman530]

For anyone who knows more Switzerland-ese than me, if there was a collective public vote in Switzerland, does that make it dead man walking?  Or does it have a chance?

[AustralianFan]

2 minutes ago, iceman530 said:

For anyone who knows more Switzerland-ese than me, if there was a collective public vote in Switzerland, does that make it dead man walking?  Or does it have a chance?

This October report of public support in Switzerland  at this point in time suggests a referendum would probably succeed:

Majority support Switzerland’s 2030 Winter Olympics bid according to new poll

[AustralianFan]

 

On 11/17/2023 at 5:01 AM, Sigh said:

Stockholm will "soon" indicate how they see the whole thing but the leader of the municipal executive has reiterated that the city will not take on any financial burdens. She also critisised the national government for lack of communication (city is left and government is right).

 Stockholm Municipal Executive refusing to financially back the Games and the disharmony between the Stockholm Municipality and the Swedish National Government looks clearly to be a major reason why the IOC has left Sweden behind in history’s dust, yet again.

[AustralianFan]

Thankyou all for viewing and/or participating in this Live Chat. It was fun and some quite unexpected news today out of left field.