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I heard that Santiago, Chile wants to host the 2036 Olympic and Paralympics, right now they are focusing on the Pan American Games, but that could boost their hopeful Olympic and Paralympic hosting dream. It's possible after IOC president Thomas Bach attended.

https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1142007/bach-encourages-santiago-olympic-bid

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NOT gonna happen.  Sport, you so easily get excited by any new announcement.  Bach tries to get ANYBODY excited into bidding even if there is NO realistic chance of it happening.  

#1 - Chile is NOT that rich enough of a nation to host new Olympic Games with 35 sports.  Look, it couldn't even win the 2030 World Cup with 3 other countries.   

#2 - If any other South American city that would deserve an OG, it would be Buenos Aires.  Santiago is just too small. 

#3 - 2036 is OUT.  2032 will already be hosted in a southern hemisphere city, so another SH host would NOT follow. 

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15 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said:

NOT gonna happen.  Sport, you so easily get excited by any new announcement.  Bach tries to get ANYBODY excited into bidding even if there is NO realistic chance of it happening.  

#1 - Chile is NOT that rich enough of a nation to host new Olympic Games with 35 sports.  Look, it couldn't even win the 2030 World Cup with 3 other countries.   

#2 - If any other South American city that would deserve an OG, it would be Buenos Aires.  Santiago is just too small. 

#3 - 2036 is OUT.  2032 will already be hosted in a southern hemisphere city, so another SH host would NOT follow. 

That's your theory. Not mine. If not 2036, 2040 or 2044 could be possible.

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5 hours ago, SportLightning said:

That's your theory. Not mine. If not 2036, 2040 or 2044 could be possible.

Of course, it's mine.  Never said it was anyone else's.  How many years have you been at this?  I have been decades ahead of you in this Games-bidding prognostications biz.  

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On 10/26/2023 at 5:44 PM, baron-pierreIV said:

NOT gonna happen.  Sport, you so easily get excited by any new announcement.  Bach tries to get ANYBODY excited into bidding even if there is NO realistic chance of it happening.  

#1 - Chile is NOT that rich enough of a nation to host new Olympic Games with 35 sports.  Look, it couldn't even win the 2030 World Cup with 3 other countries.   

#2 - If any other South American city that would deserve an OG, it would be Buenos Aires.  Santiago is just too small. 

#3 - 2036 is OUT.  2032 will already be hosted in a southern hemisphere city, so another SH host would NOT follow. 

Curious as to why this is a dealbreaker?

I would think Australia in 2032 more likely prohibits 2036 going to the UK or Canada (three English speaking countries in a row is unlikely), or somewhere else in the Asia-Pacific (China). 

The bigger hurdle for Santiago is weather - it has roughly the same winter temps as Melbourne does (if not a bit colder). Without the IOC allowing at least an October Olympics/November Paralympics, most Southern Hemisphere cities (including Sydney) will be shut out from the Olympics forever. 

Durban and Sao Paulo are literally the only viable Southern Hemisphere cities that can host in July/August, along with Brisbane and Rio.

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11 hours ago, SportLightning said:

That's your theory. Not mine. If not 2036, 2040 or 2044 could be possible.

After how these Pan American Games almost end in a DISASTER, there's no way Santiago will end as Olympic city at all. Just in recapitulation barely few months ago, the PASO were almost on the brink to withdraw the hosting rights to Chile:

a. The venues weren't ready, even some of them weren't started to build! (Something like Delhi at the Commonwealth Games 2010). Even they were pissed off they need to translate the boling competitions to a comercial mall LOL.

b. The prior government (Sebastian Piñera) were made by incompetent and corrupt thieves. The prior ministers of Sports had been accused of stealing money and giving zero for the event. And also idiots like Pablo Milad aka the current President of ANFP (Chile's football federation)

c. But the current government (Gabriel Boric) isn't free. The next minister was accused of labor exploitation for example. And that's not counting Lady Lingerie, a politician who bought these clothes with money of the social and sport association.

d. A container full of security cameras was stolen in front of the National Stadium 48 hours before the inauguration

e. Main venues like the National Stadium haven't the proper remodelation even at the eve of the Pan Ams. The Colo Colo stadium in recent CONMEBOL competitions was a mess than even the Chilean team critizied that in public last October. And that will be used in closing ceremony.

 

But that's not all:

a. Like Baron said, the economy of Chile isn't great as the prior reputation tried to push. First, it's fully dependant of the foreign markets considering the main core of mining. There's few (if not all) proper manufacturing industry and the tertiarization of the economy (Mostly on financial business or insurances) had been in ups and downs. Right now Chile is at 44 at GDP, below Colombia. And that's not counting issues like poverty and marginalization.

b. In consideration per sports, Chile has the worst record per average in medals per participations to Games. Only 13 per 27 Games. The last medal (silver) won at Beijing 2008. 

c. Politically speaking, Chile is the black sheep of South America. And this situation can be worse if the far-right movement with Kast and his minions came to power. Well, right now they were capable to approve laws not even Pinochet was capable in his regime. With Kast, he will make Bolsonaro as stateman and less messy in foreign relations, even among center-right or right wing governments lol.

d. Although Santiago has a great and modern Metro system and some zones like Providencia, Las Condes and Vitacura, it's still a city behind the spotlight, especially comparing the other cities in the east of the Andes. 

Posted
14 minutes ago, Australian Kiwi said:

Curious as to why this is a dealbreaker?

I made that before. Between the messy business of the Pan Americans and the current aspects of Chile in the regional affairs, it's not gonna happen.

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5 minutes ago, Roger87 said:

I made that before. Between the messy business of the Pan Americans and the current aspects of Chile in the regional affairs, it's not gonna happen.

I meant why would 2032 prevent a South American or African city hosting in 2036?

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I'd say because 2036 is Europe's to lose (providing reliable bids from there, of course. Otherwise, it's back to China or South Korea). The IOC seems to go "south of the border" lately every 16 years. So that would dictate around 2044 for another SH Games. Plus, unless the July/Aug. time-frame gets addressed first, no other SH city will be able to host the Summer Olympics anyway. 

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6 hours ago, Roger87 said:

After how these Pan American Games almost end in a DISASTER, there's no way Santiago will end as Olympic city at all. Just in recapitulation barely few months ago, the PASO were almost on the brink to withdraw the hosting rights to Chile:

a. The venues weren't ready, even some of them weren't started to build! (Something like Delhi at the Commonwealth Games 2010). Even they were pissed off they need to translate the boling competitions to a comercial mall LOL.

b. The prior government (Sebastian Piñera) were made by incompetent and corrupt thieves. The prior ministers of Sports had been accused of stealing money and giving zero for the event. And also idiots like Pablo Milad aka the current President of ANFP (Chile's football federation)

c. But the current government (Gabriel Boric) isn't free. The next minister was accused of labor exploitation for example. And that's not counting Lady Lingerie, a politician who bought these clothes with money of the social and sport association.

d. A container full of security cameras was stolen in front of the National Stadium 48 hours before the inauguration

e. Main venues like the National Stadium haven't the proper remodelation even at the eve of the Pan Ams. The Colo Colo stadium in recent CONMEBOL competitions was a mess than even the Chilean team critizied that in public last October. And that will be used in closing ceremony.

But that's not all:

a. Like Baron said, the economy of Chile isn't great as the prior reputation tried to push. First, it's fully dependant of the foreign markets considering the main core of mining. There's few (if not all) proper manufacturing industry and the tertiarization of the economy (Mostly on financial business or insurances) had been in ups and downs. Right now Chile is at 44 at GDP, below Colombia. And that's not counting issues like poverty and marginalization.

b. In consideration per sports, Chile has the worst record per average in medals per participations to Games. Only 13 per 27 Games. The last medal (silver) won at Beijing 2008. 

c. Politically speaking, Chile is the black sheep of South America. And this situation can be worse if the far-right movement with Kast and his minions came to power. Well, right now they were capable to approve laws not even Pinochet was capable in his regime. With Kast, he will make Bolsonaro as stateman and less messy in foreign relations, even among center-right or right wing governments lol.

d. Although Santiago has a great and modern Metro system and some zones like Providencia, Las Condes and Vitacura, it's still a city behind the spotlight, especially comparing the other cities in the east of the Andes. 

And yet Bach was singing their praises at the PanAms. He's such a diplomat! :lol: 

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13 minutes ago, FYI said:

And yet Bach was singing their praises at the PanAms. He's such a diplomat! :lol: 

And off topic but perhaps Santiago has the record of having the most criticized holdover event AND opening ceremony of PanAms in recent decades. Although for different reasons:

 

-The holdover was made with a performer singing the anthem like a Disney song, with Piñera (as president) being a flag bearer (instead the Santiago mayor) and using elements like reggaeton without any context.

-The opening tried to reverse that using the example of Lima 2019, but it looked cheap, with no clear narrative and underwhelming feeling.

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11 hours ago, Australian Kiwi said:

Curious as to why this is a dealbreaker?

I would think Australia in 2032 more likely prohibits 2036 going to the UK or Canada (three English speaking countries in a row is unlikely), or somewhere else in the Asia-Pacific (China). 

The bigger hurdle for Santiago is weather - it has roughly the same winter temps as Melbourne does (if not a bit colder). Without the IOC allowing at least an October Olympics/November Paralympics, most Southern Hemisphere cities (including Sydney) will be shut out from the Olympics forever. 

Durban and Sao Paulo are literally the only viable Southern Hemisphere cities that can host in July/August, along with Brisbane and Rio.

Because of that, maybe it could be in fall if awarded like Sydney 2000.

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9 hours ago, SportLightning said:

Because of that, maybe it could be in fall if awarded like Sydney 2000.

That won't happen at all. Not under the new rules. This is why Australia picked Brisbane instead Melbourne. 

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20 hours ago, Australian Kiwi said:

I meant why would 2032 prevent a South American or African city hosting in 2036?

Simple answer and it has nothing to do with Bridbane hosting in 2032. The IOC wants safe bids. Africa and South America are made up of third world/developing countries. The IOC went down this road with Rio.

There's no African or South American country that, even with the encouragement of using existing venues, can financially or logistically host a SOGs. This is why we have the YOGs. They are for cities incapable of hosting the varsity version. Buenos Aires is a great example. By all accounts, they did a fabulous job hosting the SYOGs, but the Olympics are a tall order and Argentina right now is broke. Their currency is nearly worthless. It's not just venues either, there is security, hospitality, and transportation costs. As has been pointed out, Santiago barely got the Pan Ams off the ground. I'm sure FIFA considered this as well when they chose Portugal/Spain/Morocco for the WC despite the sentimental and nostalgic value of returning to South America for the tournament's centennial. There were likely serious concerns about the costs involved and whether they could pull it off so they went with the safer option while giving Argentina, Uruguay, and Paraguay some token matches.

An Olympics is a pipe dream. Same for Africa. Look at Dakar and Accra. Dakar is struggling with YOGs preparation while Accra has had to postpone the African Games because they cannot afford them. South Africa? Nor sure why they keep coming up. They held the FIFA World Cup but most of the stadiums ended up as white elephants and the cost overruns were astronomical. Durban couldn't afford the CWGs. If you cannot handle those, the Olympics are out of the question. Durban would make a great YOGs host though.

As for Bach's comments, it's publicity. I will point out that Bach made the same comments at the Pan Ams four years ago in Lima, Peru where he encouraged Peru to give an Olympics a go. 

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And even if somehow the IOC returns to the idea to the new frontiers and bring Agenda 2030, Chile is not precisely a country with the good leverage in foreign affairs especially from the region (The motto of "traitor" and "sellout" is widely common to apply for its historical actions). Practically they won the right to host the Pan Ams by default as being the sole contender. And we saw what happened with the World Cup 2030 leaving aside in part thanks to the feuds and litigations from this incompetent and corrupt idiot:

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Or how the person who was the informant of FIFAGATE in South America is also from Chile, now living in Miami

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And again, just few months ago, the PASO threatened Chile to revoke the rights to host the Pan Ams because the organization was a disaster. 

This is just Bach's blabbling. As Baron said, IF there's another South American country to host the Olympics is Argentina (Who has political and sporting reasons -in Olympics and other sports). Buenos Aires is a more recognizable global city and it's more likely per weather to host the event in late August as the IOC wants. But again, that's a huge IF, and that may happen post 2030s (Perhaps when Messi or Scaloni became Presidents of Argentina). 

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I don't agree at all with the pessimistic view of Roger87 about the Pan American Games, which were a success in the end despite struggling due to the corrupt and inept former government, the pandemic and the protests. But certainly, there is no way Santiago can get the Games in 2036. Sure, people are talking about it and I don't mind the government and the COCh entertaining the idea of applying, because that could make them think bigger.

Besides getting a new National Stadium that can be modern and host a larger attendance, Santiago doesn't need any larger venues than those that were used in the Pan American Games, and they are way smaller than the Olympics require. We are still very far away from most of the developed world and I can only see Santiago being a potential host if the IOC decides to have the Games back in South America but Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo are not available.

I hope the success of Santiago 2023 can push us to bid for more events (WINTER OLYMPICS ANYONE!? :wub: But, seriously, the YOG seem more likely and adequate) and also events in other parts of the country - something like South American or Pan American Games in Concepción. But the Summer Olympics in Santiago? Only in 2048+ and depending on how climate change wipes out all other potential cities in the world.

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While I can see why Santiago hosting in 2036 is intriguing, I'm inclined to agree with some of the other points made that it may be a bit ambitious given the economic and infrastructure factors. 2040 or beyond could potentially be more realistic if they continue investing in venues and sports.

What are your thoughts on other events they could bid for sooner to continue gaining experience, like the Youth Olympics or another regional multi-sport? Winter Games could also be a nice stretch goal down the road if they expand mountain facilities. Overall though, cool to see Chile aiming high with sports events.

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For sure, the YOG are a more realistic opportunity. WOG could be another option, but we know that even if we can invest in new venues, other issues hinder an application from a Southern Hemisphere country.

However, the momentum now is to apply for the 2036 Summer Olympics. President Boric mentioned that it is something the government is studying and some congresspeople are also promoting it openly. But I'm pretty sure people will forget about this eventually or, if we eventually apply, it won't go anywhere, much like the 2030 WC bid.

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Gabriel Boric, the Chilean president, announced that he would begin steps to prepare a candidacy for 2036.

https://www.latercera.com/el-deportivo/noticia/presidente-gabriel-boric-anuncia-que-chile-postulara-a-la-organizacion-de-los-juegos-olimpicos-de-2036/UQAMPQKBMVHZLNMB4Q53MR55F4/

I don't believe for a single second in their chances. But it's still good experience to take if they want to try again for 2040, 2044...

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Of course Chile doesn't stand a chance. Not when the "negotiations" with either India (or Qatar) have almost been finalized.for '36. Besides, consecutive Summer Games in the southern hemisphere is highly unlikely (Boric can talk to Bach about '40 or '44 now anyway, since the "new-norm' doesn't restrict which Games can be pursued at any given time).

Plus, Bach & Co. really wouldn't have much to gain in going to South America again so soon. They'd probably have better chances in trying for a Winter Games instead, since Chile actually gets the most reliable snow in the southern hemisphere, but of course the main issue with that one is the calendar. 

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