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The small Republic of Montenegro will decide tomorrow on the issue of succession from Serbia. Just a few months ago it was going to be a clear yes vote, but as of now its razor thin and could go either way, with most predicting it will receive the 55% majority demanded by the European Union to be declared a success.

The Montenegrin government has put most of its standing army on the boarder with Serbia and travel between the two regions is strictly watched. Fears of a Serbian upraising are high causing almost the entire police force of the country to be on standby. There is also speculation that the NATO mission in Kosovo is on high-alert in case of a Serbian attack in the wake of victory.

The primary reasons for Montenegrin succession is the common held view that Serbia's policies are holding the republic back from becoming an accepted member of the global community. Also Montenegro is economically separated from Serbia.

The Montenegrin Bosnians, Croats, Montenegrins, and Muslims have all come in support of the yes vote.

If there is victory it will result in a chain of events as follows:

1. The Montenegrin government will declare itself independent

2. Serbian caused violence with erupt in either large or small scale

3. The foreign policy change over will begin including the issuing of Montenegrin passports and other documents.

4. The European Parliament will hear a report on the vote and a vote will be taken to see if the 25 member states will recognize Montenegro, its expected that the 10 new members, Germany, Finland and Sweden will push for recognition.

5. The world in the likely form of the UN will follow the EU's lead and either recognize Montenegro or declare it a rogue republic.

6. With recognition foreign offices will start to pop and an official UN application will be filled.

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After 88 years of Western forced Serbian oppression its time for the Black Mountain to once more be independent.

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I guess, whatever happens, this referendum puts the final nail on the coffin of the former Yugoslavia:

Montenegro Vote On Independence

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Why has Montenegro a Spanish name? :help:

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Why has Montenegro a Spanish name? :help:

it asounds Italian too...it's quite obvious it comes from latin:

mons, montis -> monte, mountain

negrus, negra, negrum -> negro, nero, black

and I suppose that comes from the particular type of mountains/rock which are there: carsic ones (i donnow if it's the right translation, I apologize if it is not).

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You are pretty right cesco. Montenegro is the lataninized formed of the Montenegrian words for Black Mountain. Most languages translate the literal meaning of the Montenegrian word instead of using a latin spelling of the cyrillic name.

Monte is latin for mountain and negro is latin for black, theis form is used in most western nations. The name comes from the think and dense forests that were on the aforementioned mountains when the Slavic tribes were moving around.

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Its kinda funny though, this has some interesting sports questions.

Will Montenegrian football clubs stay in the Serbian league?

Will Montenegrian players that helped Serbia qualify for the WC still be able to play in June. Will it still be Serbia and Montenegro, or will it already just be Serbia.

When will they have there own NOC, will they compete in Beijing and Vancouver?

What about the Euro in 2008, will they be randomly shoved in group?

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You are pretty right cesco. Montenegro is the lataninized formed of the Montenegrian words for Black Mountain.

i knew i was... :P

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Most importantly, will Serbia vote for Montenegro in next year's Eurovision song contest???!!!

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Maybe we should force the Eastern part of Europe to minimise its number of countries, therewith "we" have a chance in the ESC again...

what are you talking about?????? :rock:

forcing different nations to be a unique one???  :shocked:

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Maybe we should force the Eastern part of Europe to minimise its number of countries, therewith "we" have a chance in the ESC again...

what are you talking about?????? :rock:

forcing different nations to be a unique one???  :shocked:

Yes, Yougoslavia was a good idea at least, it's only bad that Tito was in the place and that serbs were so stupid to stay so much nationalists ! It would have been easier to see a democratic Yougoslavia inside European Union with Romania and Bulgaria that all those little countries not always in good shape... Catalonia stays inside Spain, Bavaria inside Germany, it makes their biggest cities important in the world (barcelona/munich), i think those cities would not be so important in the world if they would be capital cities of 2 two small countries. Independence can be good when you are big and with enough natural ressources, but for the case of Montenegro, it's hard to believe...

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Maybe we should force the Eastern part of Europe to minimise its number of countries, therewith "we" have a chance in the ESC again...

what are you talking about?????? :rock:

forcing different nations to be a unique one???  :shocked:

Yes, Yougoslavia was a good idea at least, it's only bad that Tito was in the place and that serbs were so stupid to stay so much nationalists ! It would have been easier to see a democratic Yougoslavia inside European Union with Romania and Bulgaria that all those little countries not always in good shape... Catalonia stays inside Spain, Bavaria inside Germany, it makes their biggest cities important in the world (barcelona/munich), i think those cities would not be so important in the world if they would be capital cities of 2 two small countries. Independence can be good when you are big and with enough natural ressources, but for the case of Montenegro, it's hard to believe...

Tito was what kept things together, his death marked the start of the government becoming almost entirely Serbian controlled.

Yugoslavia was never a good idea, sure lets through a bunch of nations that are similar together, give them a Serbian king and call them the Union of South Slaves, since Pan Slavism was impossible. Stupid Verseilles, screwed everything up.

Montenegro is economically better off then Serbia right now, Serbia is still blackballed and Montenegro will be too as long as it is in union with Serbia. Montenegro also has a history of indepedence.

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You are pretty right cesco. Montenegro is the lataninized formed of the Montenegrian words for Black Mountain. Most languages translate the literal meaning of the Montenegrian word instead of using a latin spelling of the cyrillic name.

Monte is latin for mountain and negro is latin for black, theis form is used in most western nations. The name comes from the think and dense forests that were on the aforementioned mountains when the Slavic tribes were moving around.

Oh, I thought it was Spanish...  Monte is the Spanish word for mountain, and negro is the Spanish word for black. Like Sierra Leone, another "Spanish" name.

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You are pretty right cesco. Montenegro is the lataninized formed of the Montenegrian words for Black Mountain. Most languages translate the literal meaning of the Montenegrian word instead of using a latin spelling of the cyrillic name.

Monte is latin for mountain and negro is latin for black, theis form is used in most western nations. The name comes from the think and dense forests that were on the aforementioned mountains when the Slavic tribes were moving around.

Oh, I thought it was Spanish...  Monte is the Spanish word for mountain, and negro is the Spanish word for black. Like Sierra Leone, another "Spanish" name.

well...simply comes from latin as a huge percentage of the words...And saying more...spanish is the most similar language to latin in the group of neo-latin languages although most of people think it's italian. spanish still has a more ancient "shape"; I think "languagistically" I can say it's been remained stuck in the past...relatively to the other neo-latin languages.

4 example, the word BLACK:

latin: negrus, negra, negrum

spanish: negro (the same as in latin!!!!)

italian: nero (a sweeter sound)

french: noir (very different)

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Maybe we should force the Eastern part of Europe to minimise its number of countries, therewith "we" have a chance in the ESC again...

what are you talking about?????? :rock:

forcing different nations to be a unique one???  :shocked:

Yes, Yougoslavia was a good idea at least, it's only bad that Tito was in the place and that serbs were so stupid to stay so much nationalists ! It would have been easier to see a democratic Yougoslavia inside European Union with Romania and Bulgaria that all those little countries not always in good shape... Catalonia stays inside Spain, Bavaria inside Germany, it makes their biggest cities important in the world (barcelona/munich), i think those cities would not be so important in the world if they would be capital cities of 2 two small countries. Independence can be good when you are big and with enough natural ressources, but for the case of Montenegro, it's hard to believe...

it' the MOST STUPID HISTORICAL THING i have ever heard!!!!

you are not considering history at all!!!

please say something more appropriate to sustain your idea...coz saying "those little states are not going to do nothing by themselves" it's not the way...

BTW little states like luxembourg or lichtenstein or malta or andorra or san marino are very rich ones!!!!

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You are pretty right cesco. Montenegro is the lataninized formed of the Montenegrian words for Black Mountain. Most languages translate the literal meaning of the Montenegrian word instead of using a latin spelling of the cyrillic name.

Monte is latin for mountain and negro is latin for black, theis form is used in most western nations. The name comes from the think and dense forests that were on the aforementioned mountains when the Slavic tribes were moving around.

Oh, I thought it was Spanish...  Monte is the Spanish word for mountain, and negro is the Spanish word for black. Like Sierra Leone, another "Spanish" name.

The name Sierra Leone was adapted from the Portuguese name for the country: Serra Leoa. The literal meaning is "Lion Mountains."

BTW following your idea "sierra leone" is a spantalian name...because Sierra=Mountains in spanish and Leone=Lion in italian (in spanish would be "leòn")  :P  eheheh

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Maybe we should force the Eastern part of Europe to minimise its number of countries, therewith "we" have a chance in the ESC again...

what are you talking about?????? :rock:

forcing different nations to be a unique one???  :shocked:

Yes, Yougoslavia was a good idea at least, it's only bad that Tito was in the place and that serbs were so stupid to stay so much nationalists ! It would have been easier to see a democratic Yougoslavia inside European Union with Romania and Bulgaria that all those little countries not always in good shape... Catalonia stays inside Spain, Bavaria inside Germany, it makes their biggest cities important in the world (barcelona/munich), i think those cities would not be so important in the world if they would be capital cities of 2 two small countries. Independence can be good when you are big and with enough natural ressources, but for the case of Montenegro, it's hard to believe...

it' the MOST STUPID HISTORICAL THING i have ever heard!!!!

you are not considering history at all!!!

please say something more appropriate to sustain your idea...coz saying "those little states are not going to do nothing by themselves" it's not the way...

BTW little states like luxembourg or lichtenstein or malta or andorra or san marino are very rich ones!!!!

Are those states important for Europe ?... Do you think Luxembourg is an achievement for Europe ? Luxembourg will win the next FIFA world cup or organize next olympic games, be sure of that ! :laughlong:  Do you know the history of Catalonia or Bavaria or even Euskaldi ? why basque people should stay in Spain so ? Do you know that basques are not similar to other europeans and have older roots that us in Europe ? If we continue like this, we will see an incredible amounts of small states not able to work together and that will ask EU parliament seats in Brussels, it would make Europe even harder to built, it's already the case with bureaucracy indeed... Brussels protects european union regional languages and dialects and also cultures, i don't see why inside a country, we would not be able to see autonomous regions (like crimea in Ukraine or Catalonia) and see all this work perfectly, it was a possibility to see Yougoslavia transformed into a federal country with a parliament for each parts ... The thing is that western european countries didn't like what was Yougoslavia and prefered dismantled it to say after that "we are our big friends, come in European Union, you will be our slaves for our industries", it's somewhere the main reason why western countries refuse Turkey -it is really big and populous, able to compete with them-... Small states are able to doing by themselves yes, regionally, also Luxembourg would maybe be not so rich if Germany and France was not world powers.

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spanish: negro (the same as in latin!!!!)

"negrao" in Portuguese.  They "-ao" a lot of things in port.  

Why don't we ask Cordelia, GB's self-appointed language expert?   :wink:

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Also, with the independence of Monténégro now, talks about Kosovo that continue, serbs of Serbia will feel oppressed and not understand at all, they will not understand those "win-lose" deals, it can make Bosnia and Herzegovina in fire, why the Republika Srpska would not be able to ask a referendum either...

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Maybe we should force the Eastern part of Europe to minimise its number of countries, therewith "we" have a chance in the ESC again...

what are you talking about?????? :rock:

forcing different nations to be a unique one???  :shocked:

Yes, Yougoslavia was a good idea at least, it's only bad that Tito was in the place and that serbs were so stupid to stay so much nationalists ! It would have been easier to see a democratic Yougoslavia inside European Union with Romania and Bulgaria that all those little countries not always in good shape... Catalonia stays inside Spain, Bavaria inside Germany, it makes their biggest cities important in the world (barcelona/munich), i think those cities would not be so important in the world if they would be capital cities of 2 two small countries. Independence can be good when you are big and with enough natural ressources, but for the case of Montenegro, it's hard to believe...

it' the MOST STUPID HISTORICAL THING i have ever heard!!!!

you are not considering history at all!!!

please say something more appropriate to sustain your idea...coz saying "those little states are not going to do nothing by themselves" it's not the way...

BTW little states like luxembourg or lichtenstein or malta or andorra or san marino are very rich ones!!!!

Are those states important for Europe ?... Do you think Luxembourg is an achievement for Europe ? Luxembourg will win the next FIFA world cup or organize next olympic games, be sure of that ! :laughlong:  Do you know the history of Catalonia or Bavaria or even Euskaldi ? why basque people should stay in Spain so ? Do you know that basques are not similar to other europeans and have older roots that us in Europe ? If we continue like this, we will see an incredible amounts of small states not able to work together and that will ask EU parliament seats in Brussels, it would make Europe even harder to built, it's already the case with bureaucracy indeed... Brussels protects european union regional languages and dialects and also cultures, i don't see why inside a country, we would not be able to see autonomous regions (like crimea in Ukraine or Catalonia) and see all this work perfectly, it was a possibility to see Yougoslavia transformed into a federal country with a parliament for each parts ... The thing is that western european countries didn't like what was Yougoslavia and prefered dismantled it to say after that "we are our big friends, come in European Union, you will be our slaves for our industries", it's somewhere the main reason why western countries refuse Turkey -it is really big and populous, able to compete with them-... Small states are able to doing by themselves yes, regionally, also Luxembourg would maybe be not so rich if Germany and France was not world powers.

c'mon the importance of a country it's not based on winning a fifa world cup!!!! :P

and, do i have to stress that luxembourg is one of the founders of UE???

anyhow, you french will never be able to understand how complicate is being a state made of nations because you'd been a State&Nation since...always (and i'm not saying that in an ironic way!!!). maybe you can see the problem in Corse...

BTW autonomous regions can stay in a State if there's an historical background which support it. everything in former Yugoslavia is against that. history comes to teach something. always.

You say that Catalunya works perfectly in Spain...please read something about these days and you'll see Catalunya is still an open wound (recently the "tripartit" government became the "two-partit" beacause of a regional constitution problem). And I'm not talking about Euskadi (recently Ibarretxe_law problem)...but on Spain some of our spanish friends can say something more precisely.

Turkish problem it's not so simple as you say...and it's not like you say...it's MOOOOOOOOORE complicated.

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Maybe we should force the Eastern part of Europe to minimise its number of countries, therewith "we" have a chance in the ESC again...

what are you talking about?????? :rock:

forcing different nations to be a unique one???  :shocked:

Yes, Yougoslavia was a good idea at least, it's only bad that Tito was in the place and that serbs were so stupid to stay so much nationalists ! It would have been easier to see a democratic Yougoslavia inside European Union with Romania and Bulgaria that all those little countries not always in good shape... Catalonia stays inside Spain, Bavaria inside Germany, it makes their biggest cities important in the world (barcelona/munich), i think those cities would not be so important in the world if they would be capital cities of 2 two small countries. Independence can be good when you are big and with enough natural ressources, but for the case of Montenegro, it's hard to believe...

it' the MOST STUPID HISTORICAL THING i have ever heard!!!!

you are not considering history at all!!!

please say something more appropriate to sustain your idea...coz saying "those little states are not going to do nothing by themselves" it's not the way...

BTW little states like luxembourg or lichtenstein or malta or andorra or san marino are very rich ones!!!!

Are those states important for Europe ?... Do you think Luxembourg is an achievement for Europe ? Luxembourg will win the next FIFA world cup or organize next olympic games, be sure of that ! :laughlong:  Do you know the history of Catalonia or Bavaria or even Euskaldi ? why basque people should stay in Spain so ? Do you know that basques are not similar to other europeans and have older roots that us in Europe ? If we continue like this, we will see an incredible amounts of small states not able to work together and that will ask EU parliament seats in Brussels, it would make Europe even harder to built, it's already the case with bureaucracy indeed... Brussels protects european union regional languages and dialects and also cultures, i don't see why inside a country, we would not be able to see autonomous regions (like crimea in Ukraine or Catalonia) and see all this work perfectly, it was a possibility to see Yougoslavia transformed into a federal country with a parliament for each parts ... The thing is that western european countries didn't like what was Yougoslavia and prefered dismantled it to say after that "we are our big friends, come in European Union, you will be our slaves for our industries", it's somewhere the main reason why western countries refuse Turkey -it is really big and populous, able to compete with them-... Small states are able to doing by themselves yes, regionally, also Luxembourg would maybe be not so rich if Germany and France was not world powers.

Your obviously knowing of how they split. Croatia and Slovenia were harshly critized by the US, Britain and France for seperating in 1991, it wasn't until after that they started to blame the Serbs for the breakup and the wars. Germany was one of the only major countries to not come down on the side of Serbia at the beginning. The EU was in favour of a Yugoslave state until 1993-94 when it became known about the Serbian war-crimes. It is why it took two years for Croatia and Slovenia to be accepted.

In regards to Bosnia, all three regions have entered into negotiations in regards, all three sides want the Union at least at the government level.

And Yes Kosovo will become independent by November as a mandidate of NATO.

It will be interesting to see how the USA, Canada, China, Japan, India and Brazil threat this, I would assume whatever decision the EU makes, they will follow.

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