AustralianFan Posted July 27 Report Share Posted July 27 French Government Support “French Sports Minister Amélie Oudéa-Castéra has claimed that the Government is in support of a potential bid for the 2030 Winter Olympic and Paralympic Games.” “The Auvergne Rhône-Alpes and Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur regions announced last week that they would propose a joint bid for the Games which would make them the first French hosts of the Winter Olympics since Albertville in 1992.” Sports Minister offers French Government backing for 2030 Winter Olympic bid - ITG - 27 July 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted July 27 Report Share Posted July 27 Why are ALL these LATE entrants just waking up now -- when we have the HIGHEST temperatures on record?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman530 Posted July 27 Author Report Share Posted July 27 3 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said: Why are ALL these LATE entrants just waking up now -- when we have the HIGHEST temperatures on record?? Good be thinking this is their last dance so might as well get it in before its even less of a possibility Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted July 27 Report Share Posted July 27 5 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said: Why are ALL these LATE entrants just waking up now -- when we have the HIGHEST temperatures on record?? Right?! And come to think of it, when taking climate change into the equation, maybe SLC/USOC would be better served by taking 2030 after all, instead of their preferred 2034, cause maybe by then there won't be anymore snow left in the Rockies! SLC has already recorded their second hottest temp. ever just this month of 106 degrees, just shy of last year's all-time high there of 107 (& summer isn't even half over yet)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusilli Posted July 28 Report Share Posted July 28 Imagine if a french bid would consider and eventually bring on board Turin too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamC Posted August 8 Report Share Posted August 8 As mentioned before on this thread, Rhône-Alpes Auvergne has all the venues in place to host Winter Olympics, I don't see why Provence Alpe Côte-d'Azur has to be involved, except for political reasons. The ski resorts in the Southern Alps are far from major cities not as well connected as the ones in the North. I feel like any venue being located there would result in the need to spend a lot of money in transit upgrades. Quite unrealistic if you want to present a modern cost-effective concept. Lyon can pretty much host all ice events on its own (or with the help of Chambéry and/or Grenoble). No need to have Marseille and Nice in the mix. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman530 Posted August 8 Author Report Share Posted August 8 10 hours ago, DamC said: As mentioned before on this thread, Rhône-Alpes Auvergne has all the venues in place to host Winter Olympics, I don't see why Provence Alpe Côte-d'Azur has to be involved, except for political reasons. The ski resorts in the Southern Alps are far from major cities not as well connected as the ones in the North. I feel like any venue being located there would result in the need to spend a lot of money in transit upgrades. Quite unrealistic if you want to present a modern cost-effective concept. Lyon can pretty much host all ice events on its own (or with the help of Chambéry and/or Grenoble). No need to have Marseille and Nice in the mix. I think you just talked yourself into the reasoning.......even though I completely disagree with it and think it makes less sense. The north will get the mountain and slope events. One of the riviera cities will get the ice events, as bewildering as that is (probably Nice). This is what the French bid is thinking, but I think it would be profoundly dumb using one of them instead of Lyon (and then, why do you even need the south bids in the first place unless the northern ski resorts arent on board?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfm Jeremie Posted August 9 Report Share Posted August 9 My understanding is that it is a 100% political decision to keep both regions happy (also even if Rhone-Alpe-Auvergne Region is on board, it does not mean that indiviudal cities are interested - for examples both Grenoble and Lyon's mayors have sent very mixed signals at best about hosting large events). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman530 Posted August 9 Author Report Share Posted August 9 10 hours ago, cfm Jeremie said: My understanding is that it is a 100% political decision to keep both regions happy (also even if Rhone-Alpe-Auvergne Region is on board, it does not mean that indiviudal cities are interested - for examples both Grenoble and Lyon's mayors have sent very mixed signals at best about hosting large events). Possibly. But can one region literally do it without the other? Could the south basically go it alone? Could the north go it alone? Or would that be basically Bacelona fraternal rivalries trying to upend each other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted August 10 Report Share Posted August 10 Rhône Alpes Auvergne has all necessary mountain venues plus big cities to hold indoor ice events. AFAIK there‘s no ski jumping hills and certainly no sliding track in the southern Alps, and e.g. all the regular winter world cup skiing events are held in the northern part. So it‘s clear who could easily do this alone - with political will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karenina Posted August 11 Report Share Posted August 11 On 8/8/2023 at 2:06 AM, DamC said: As mentioned before on this thread, Rhône-Alpes Auvergne has all the venues in place to host Winter Olympics, I don't see why Provence Alpe Côte-d'Azur has to be involved, except for political reasons. The ski resorts in the Southern Alps are far from major cities not as well connected as the ones in the North. I feel like any venue being located there would result in the need to spend a lot of money in transit upgrades. Quite unrealistic if you want to present a modern cost-effective concept. Lyon can pretty much host all ice events on its own (or with the help of Chambéry and/or Grenoble). No need to have Marseille and Nice in the mix. Lyon has hosted the ISU Grand Prix Final once, back in the 1999-00 season, and it also hosted the European FS Championships in 2006. Marseille hosted the GPF in 2016-17, and Nice hosted Worlds in 2001 at a convention center, IIRC because it was really short notice when Australia had to withdraw from hosting less than a year before . Between the three cities, plus the FFSG successfully hosting Worlds in Montpellier in 2022, I'd say that there's no lack of ability to host the ice events between the three major cities in the regions. On 8/8/2023 at 12:47 PM, iceman530 said: I think you just talked yourself into the reasoning.......even though I completely disagree with it and think it makes less sense. The north will get the mountain and slope events. One of the riviera cities will get the ice events, as bewildering as that is (probably Nice). This is what the French bid is thinking, but I think it would be profoundly dumb using one of them instead of Lyon (and then, why do you even need the south bids in the first place unless the northern ski resorts arent on board?) In a perfect world, the IOC would stop forcing figure skating and short-track to share a venue - put short-track in Nice, FS in Lyon or Marseille, and hockey in the third city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman530 Posted August 11 Author Report Share Posted August 11 23 hours ago, StefanMUC said: Rhône Alpes Auvergne has all necessary mountain venues plus big cities to hold indoor ice events. AFAIK there‘s no ski jumping hills and certainly no sliding track in the southern Alps, and e.g. all the regular winter world cup skiing events are held in the northern part. So it‘s clear who could easily do this alone - with political will. Just spitballing........maybe the southern slopes are part of the deal because the northern venues are all saying no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted August 11 Report Share Posted August 11 But as was pointed out on here before, the southern resorts are nowhere near as good/developed as the northern ones, so would need much more money to invest in infrastructure etc. I‘d rather they skip the whole idea in that case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamC Posted August 12 Report Share Posted August 12 On 8/11/2023 at 6:17 AM, Karenina said: Lyon has hosted the ISU Grand Prix Final once, back in the 1999-00 season, and it also hosted the European FS Championships in 2006. Marseille hosted the GPF in 2016-17, and Nice hosted Worlds in 2001 at a convention center, IIRC because it was really short notice when Australia had to withdraw from hosting less than a year before . Between the three cities, plus the FFSG successfully hosting Worlds in Montpellier in 2022, I'd say that there's no lack of ability to host the ice events between the three major cities in the regions. In a perfect world, the IOC would stop forcing figure skating and short-track to share a venue - put short-track in Nice, FS in Lyon or Marseille, and hockey in the third city. The convention center in Nice is being destroyed and replaced by a smaller venue that can't accomodate sports. It wouldn't make sense to include Nice in a bid centered around the Northern Alps resorts, Paris is closer to get to. You also have a smaller handball arena in Chambéry that could I think host curling, a 4k-seat Ice Hockey venue in Grenoble and the Palais des Sports from the 1968 Olympics there still standing that could really do with a renovation back to its former glory. (Then again, the green party mayors in Grenoble and Lyon would probably want nothing to do with an Olympic bid). A new multipurpose indoor arena is also being built near Annecy for the 2027 Track Cycling championships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusilli Posted August 12 Report Share Posted August 12 ^^they could also borrow some from the 2006 Olympics OR make it grander and bring Paris in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigVic Posted September 7 Report Share Posted September 7 Too soon for a French WOG bid especially with the upcoming 2024 Olympics in Paris. Annecy did submitted a bid for 2018 but lost out to PyeongChang. The Ceremonies could be done at Lake Annecy or at Lyon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted September 8 Report Share Posted September 8 It appears to be moving forward Lappartient leads French delegation to discuss 2030 Winter Olympics bid with Bach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 8 Report Share Posted September 8 I don't know why the Swedes are still partnering with Sigulda. For me, if I were a voting IOC member, that would be the biggest NAY for me. Why can't they go with Lillehammer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted September 8 Report Share Posted September 8 1 hour ago, baron-pierreIV said: I don't know why the Swedes are still partnering with Sigulda. For me, if I were a voting IOC member, that would be the biggest NAY for me. Why can't they go with Lillehammer? Except the IOC members no longer have the voting powers that they use to have. All they "vote" on these days, is merely rubber-stamping what Bach & Coates dictate to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustralianFan Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 Lappartient claims Bach "very impressed" by French bid for 2030 Winter Olympucs - 14 Sep 2023 Elevation to Targeted Dialogue with the French team looking to be a real possibility this December. Certainly the French NOC are confident this will happen after travelling to IOC HQ in Lausanne Is this an indicator of things to come? Sweden and Switzerland need to get a move on. In the lead-up to being elevated to Targeted Dialogue ahead of New Norm election 1.0, the Brisbane leadership team also visited IOC HQ in Lausanne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshi Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 (edited) The IOC aren't entirely stupid, they know any bid that needs any kind of public vote or support is dead - & they know that France can force it through without one. They also know that France is the only Western European country (where they seem to want 2030 to be) that has (barring 2020 style catastrophe) seen through a Games from bid launch to opening entirely after 2008 without making a mess of it (sorry Italy). They've also worked with the French NOC and government for the last 6 years already, and can just carry it all on. Even though they don't yet have a title city, this just feels far more solid than anything else that's emerged for 2030 that's not from Utah. I still hope for Sweden, but it feels so much more shaky & risky with support, the distances and the track problem - I wouldn't be surprised to see details on France firm up quickly now, with an eye on election at the Session attached to Paris. Edited September 14 by yoshi 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman530 Posted September 14 Author Report Share Posted September 14 Exactly. France is very much the safest bet if we are evaluating things as they currently stand. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigVic Posted September 15 Report Share Posted September 15 17 hours ago, AustralianFan said: Lappartient claims Bach "very impressed" by French bid for 2030 Winter Olympucs - 14 Sep 2023 Elevation to Targeted Dialogue with the French team looking to be a real possibility this December. Certainly the French NOC are confident this will happen after travelling to IOC HQ in Lausanne Is this an indicator of things to come? Sweden and Switzerland need to get a move on. In the lead-up to being elevated to Targeted Dialogue ahead of New Norm election 1.0, the Brisbane leadership team also visited IOC HQ in Lausanne. 2024 Paris and a possible 2030 WOG for France meaning two Olympics in 6 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted September 15 Report Share Posted September 15 1 hour ago, BigVic said: 2024 Paris and a possible 2030 WOG for France meaning two Olympics in 6 years LA/SLC would be the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 Coates needs to get busy (again) so he can do the same for Australia, too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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