Alpes Françaises 2030

[iceman530]

Probably deserves its own thread at this point.  I think on the downlow this could be quietly past the "idea" phase.  I would strongly bet the center of a bid would involve Lyon as the hub.  Chamonix has shown lack of interest recently.  But could a French bid get around that with all of the infrastructure scattered throughout the Alps?  Would no Chamonix be a deal breaker?

Edited September 20, 2024 by Sir Rols

[StefanMUC]

4 hours ago, iceman530 said:

Probably deserves its own thread at this point.  I think on the downlow this could be quietly past the "idea" phase.  I would strongly bet the center of a bid would involve Lyon as the hub.  Chamonix has shown lack of interest recently.  But could a French bid get around that with all of the infrastructure scattered throughout the Alps?  Would no Chamonix be a deal breaker?

Chamonix had no part in 1968 nor 1992, why should it be a deal breaker now?

[SportLightning]

Maybe Chamonix and Lyon could make a joint bid.

[FYI]

[Sigh]

Just did a search on French media.

Almost nothing at all about this. Where mentioned it was just a rehash of L'Equipe's article.

Thus no big interest at present, for or against.

[AustralianFan]

Maybe it is the 6th interested party we’ve been wondering about ……   ?

 

 

 

 

[AustralianFan]

Bringing together the Southern Alps and the Northern Alps

"We need a bid bringing together the Southern Alps and the Northern Alps."

“France has a number of ski resorts across the two areas which have hosted top level international events.”

“They include Chamonix, Courchevel, Grenoble, Albertville, La Plagne, Megève and Val d'Isere.”

[AustralianFan]

Two French regions consider joint 2030 Winter Games bid:

“Auvergne-Rhone-Alpes and Provence-Alpes-Cote d’Azur could enter the competition along with Sweden for the right to stage the 2030 Games. Sapporo was once seen as the favorite, but low public support within the country has prompted the city to consider a bid for 2034 or later.”

Credit: Japan Times - 19 July 2023

 

[AustralianFan]

 

8 minutes ago, YujiTakahashi said:

Found this quote from an article from La Provence. Thought you guys would be interested. Yes, I made my account today just to post this.

The article in francaise:

https://www.laprovence.com/article/region/32852728424983/jeux-olympiques-pourquoi-la-region-provence-alpes-cote-dazur-change-ses-plans

@YujiTakahashi Thankyou.

Do you have the article translated into English?

[AustralianFan]

After Paris 2024, France wants the Winter Games in 2030

• “Is this the first David Lappartient effect? Less than a month after the UCI president was elected head of the French National Olympic Committee (CNOSF), France surprised everyone by announcing its bid for the Winter Games in a lengthy press release late on Tuesday July 18.”
• “A double surprise: the project concerns the 2030 Games, an edition whose award has been postponed until next year after an improbable succession of withdrawals by potential or announced candidates.”
• “Finally, and hardly less surprisingly, the project is not just being promoted by one city or valley, but by two French regions: Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes on the one hand, and Provence-Alpes-Côte d’Azur on the other.”

 

 

[AustralianFan]

2 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

After Paris 2024, France wants the Winter Games in 2030

• “Is this the first David Lappartient effect? Less than a month after the UCI president was elected head of the French National Olympic Committee (CNOSF), France surprised everyone by announcing its bid for the Winter Games in a lengthy press release late on Tuesday July 18.”
• “A double surprise: the project concerns the 2030 Games, an edition whose award has been postponed until next year after an improbable succession of withdrawals by potential or announced candidates.”
• “Finally, and hardly less surprisingly, the project is not just being promoted by one city or valley, but by two French regions: Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes on the one hand, and Provence-Alpes-Côte d’Azur on the other.”

 

 

@Sigh  

[yoshi]

Using the two regions is interesting. Suggests maybe that the main city could be Marseille or maybe Nice if it's in PACA. If it was Lyon as many of us thought it'd be it'd surely be all Auvergne Rhone Alpes...

[Sigh]

59 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

@Sigh  

I've really said what I've had to say on the general WOG 2030 forum.

To recap the essential point: This is in an early stage but potentially a winner.

 

To really stick my neck out I'd rank the candidates in falling order of probability (as I personally see it today):

1 France's two regions

2 SLC

3 Stockholm etc etc etc etc etc

4 New Jack-in-the-box candidate

5 Sapporo

6 Vancouver

7 Switzerland

 

Why? Politics, politics, politics!

 

[FYI]

The only reason why I would see France, in this instance, as the "jack-in-the-box" - "interested party" is because their (local) gov't would be more willing to commit than Sweden's (which is basically why Italy wound up with 2026 instead). I'd still argue at this point, though, that France "gunning" for 2030 is quite unlikely for reasons already mentioned in the other thread.

[FYI]

4 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

Maybe it is the 6th interested party we’ve been wondering about ……   ?

 

 

 

 

Ummm, but just last week you were very adamant "that the sixth interested party was 'not interested' in any particular edition of the winter Games (according to some IOC press conference). So 2030 is out of the question straight off". So which is it, cause in can't be both. 

[FYI]

Plus, there is afterall that pesky IOC rule that no bidding city can be elected in that city's home country. So there's that. That's why the 2019 IOC session where Milan 2026 got elected got moved to Lausanne from Milan, where is was initially scheduled. Boy, in that sense it does seem like it's deja vu all over again for Sweden. So "we shall see". lol

[iceman530]

See this is the late 11th hour appeal here.  Just like Italy, it could be down to regions.  That would have never happened if the regions were not heavily involved.  As such, it feels like the French regions would be the heavy lifters here

[yoshi]

If they can somehow move the election to after Paris, maybe a 2012-style afterglow will be enough to see this get enough support from the French people and government to get over the line, if it hasn't already. I think the IOC will be very tempted to make that happen, so watch their timetables carefully. The IOC might well have their saviour here without having to worry about Sweden getting cold feet. 

[FYI]

Perhaps, but that would require Paris 2024 to go absolutely ‘swimmingly’. Which, after Tokyo 2020ne, is exactly what we need! But ‘we shall see’.

[rubio]

Does PACA have any sites that have experience in winter sports events? Most sites that have been mentioned are in Rhône-Alpes. Ice events in Nice or Marseille and snow events in Rhône-Alpes maybe?

[fusilli]

Paris-Chamonix 2030! (with closing in Nimes Arena)  

[iceman530]

I really, really hope it is Lyon that is on board as the main anchor city somehow.  That makes so much more sense geographically to me.  But I guess there would be great appeal in reusing the Paris 2024 sites too.

[yoshi]

In a world where Milan-Cortina can happen, Paris-Albertville (effectively) is very possible, thank you TGV. Although there's no mention of Ile de France so I guess they're not involved yet. Lyon would make most sense and surely be big enough but I don't see why PACA would be involved if it's not to provide the main host city, whether it's Marseille, Nice, or strung out along the coast. 

[FYI]

If we've learned anything this past week, with the demise of "Victoria 2026" CWG's, is that 'regional' concepts may not be the overall best solutions when it comes to these things for "cost effectiveness". Since spreading things way far-flung creates other logistical issues instead. The verdict is still out on Milan-Cortina 2026, & I think that it's going to be a mess, transportation-wise. If people on the ground were complaining about the distance between Beijing & Zhangziakou in 2022, then just wait 'til when they have to get all the way to the Italian Alps from the Italian fashion capital four years later. 

In that sense, I agree that Lyon makes much more sense than Paris does (or anything on the French Riviera). Or how about Grenoble (again), even more sense with it being practically right next door to the French Alps. Certainly would also make it more picturesque, ala Innsbruck/Salzburg-style. Still believe that the IOC blew a golden opportunity by not going with Salzburg 2014 instead, & maybe the Winter Olympics would've been in a better position these days because of it. 

[iceman530]

Id reckon Geneva could even be a possibility to host a venue or two (possibly) as far as ice events go.