Switzerland 2038

[Sigh]

1 hour ago, fusilli said:

Make it more Interested.. Swedenland 2030! 

Why not? Two half-serious interests should make one if I calculate correctly.

[Sigh]

37 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

It’s because the Executive Board have not yet been advised by their own Future Host Commission if a rotating host pool is a good idea or not until that research is completed and the report produced.

Right, just now I'm a bit cynical so I'll say that the Future Host Commission will come to exactly the conclusions that EB already has decided internally.

[AustralianFan]

 

 

 

3 hours ago, FYI said:

 I mentioned the other day, that the IOC is trying to sell all of this stuff (rotating hosts, climate initiatives, etc)

Because as has been discussed before on the boards, a 'permanent, rotating hosting pool' really creates their own set of logistical challenges, which in theory, might look good on paper. But in actual practice, can be a different can of worms altogether.  

 

45 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

Actually, the IOC Executive Board are waiting for the Future Host Commission to finish their research and to advise the EB whether they think a rotating host pool is a good idea or not.

That’s why the 2030 host selection timeline has been paused.  

The EB, Chistophe Dubi, explicitly said this two weeks ago at the media conference in response to a journalist’s question.

The EB are most definitely not trying to sell the rotating host pool - far from it.

It’s because the Executive Board have not yet been advised by their own Future Host Commission if a rotating host pool is a good idea or not until that research is completed and the report produced.

 

The following is the actual EB response from Christophe Dubi to Gamesbids.com journalist Rob Livingstone’s question about the timeline for the 2030 host election, which also includes if there will be rotating host pool or not in the answer:

On 3/30/2023 at 8:31 PM, AustralianFan said:

Christophe Dubi (IOC Executive Board):

“The question on the timing is interesting.  First and foremost, the Future Host Commission has to respond to these three strategic questions that were proposed re the future hosts.

The EB wants to know if the Rotating Pool is a good idea, whether 2030 and 2034 makes sense, but also to look at the development of winter sports. 

This work is ongoing and we will anticipate that first, a report will be made to the Executive Board, and to the IOC Session in Mumbai as Mark confirmed before. 

Which leads us to a calendar after Mumbai for the election.

Source: Transcript of 29 March-23 media conference on Gamesbids.com - 2030 Olympic Winter Games Bids 

 

[AustralianFan]

14 minutes ago, Sigh said:

Right, just now I'm a bit cynical so I'll say that the Future Host Commission will come to exactly the conclusions that EB already has decided internally.

The EB have clearly not committed to a rotating host pool .…yet.

But they are also clearly interested and have tasked the Future Host Commission to research whether it is a good idea or not.

As a rotating host pool would change the whole economic model and dynamic compared to that of a one-off Games, they’re clearly not rushing into this since the investigation was launched 5 months ago.

Mumbai this October is also clearly when the EB wants that report by, so we have only a max of 6 months to wait to hear more.

…. or we just might hear more about a decision on a rotating host pool at another Executive Board Meeting before October.

[AustralianFan]

“Sweden unlikely to require a public vote”

Is that correct?  

This just in from US News.com:

• “This prompted the IOC to recruit Stockholm, Sweden — aided by powerful Swedish IOC member Gunilla Lindberg. Swedish officials say they are doing a feasibility study. Vague plans have also surfaced for a possible bid from Switzerland.”
• “Sweden is unlikely to require a public vote, although Switzerland is likely to.”

[AustralianFan]

7 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

“Sweden unlikely to require a public vote”

Is that correct?  

This just in from US News.com:

• “This prompted the IOC to recruit Stockholm, Sweden — aided by powerful Swedish IOC member Gunilla Lindberg. Swedish officials say they are doing a feasibility study. Vague plans have also surfaced for a possible bid from Switzerland.”
• “Sweden is unlikely to require a public vote, although Switzerland is likely to.”

apologies, above was posted in the wrong thread, was meant to be Sweden thread.

[AustralianFan]

Recaps on Switzerland’s recent moves

 

From Gamesbids.com:

• Swiss Olympic decided to request the IOC to move from ‘informal dialogue’ to ‘ongoing dialogue’ 
  
• Following the new bidding rules of engagement rolled out by the IOC in 2019, potential bidders express interest to the Future Host Commission then engage in an ongoing dialogue where both parties explore mutual opportunities without any commitment or need to publicize

• Laying out a rough timeline, Olympic Games Executive Director, Christophe Dubi said new Winter Olympics process and climate plans could go to a member vote at an IOC Session in Mumbai, India in October leading to host city elections starting as early as 2024 – possibly at a Session ahead of the Paris Olympics.

 

 From Inside The Games:

• The Swiss Olympic Executive Board has decided to ask the IOC Future Host Commission to progress from "informal dialogue" to "Continuous Dialogue".

• The move raises the prospect of a Swiss bid for the 2030 Winter Olympics and Paralympics as the IOC battles to secure a host for the event.

• However, Swiss Olympic has insisted that the dialogue with the IOC "does not refer to a specific year" of the Games.

• Swiss Olympic, led by Jürg Stahl, said the decision to move to the next stage in the process means it will be the "only point of contact for the IOC with regard to a Swiss candidacy and can thus bundle different projects and the forces behind them".
• Olympic Winter Games Switzerland Coordination Office:  was created by Swiss Olympic in May 2022, is expected to continue to lead the exploration into a potential Olympic bid.

 

• However, Swiss Olympic has insisted that the dialogue with the IOC "does not refer to a specific year" of the Games.
• Swiss Olympic, led by Jürg Stahl, said the decision to move to the next stage in the process means it will be the "only point of contact for the IOC with regard to a Swiss candidacy and can thus bundle different projects and the forces behind them".
• "As part of this dialogue, Swiss Olympic will examine whether the conditions for a possible Swiss Olympic candidacy are met," a statement from Swiss Olympic read.

 

[AustralianFan]

In this quiter period while Switzerland’s Olympic Committee prepare a Feasibility Report into possibly bidding for the Olympic Winter Games, let’s have a look at the

>>  Lausanne 2020 Winter Youth Olympic Games Opening Ceremony .<<
 

[rubio]

An idea that really appeals to me would be hosting the Winter Games in the canton of Graubünden (Grisons). Several places there have a great winter sport tradition, the atmosphere would be small-scale (like in Lillehammer which everybody seems to think of as the best Winter Olympics ever) and there's lots of experience in hosting both sports an non-sports events. Transportation is great, and there's loads of possibilities there. I guess a lot of venues would need upgrading or replacing, but one could also use temporary or movable venues.

For instance:

Davos could host cross-country skiing (venue is already there), speed skating (there used to be a skating venue there, so the tradition is there), figure skating and short track.

Chur could host ice hockey (one permanent and one temporary venue maybe?)

Lenzerheide could host biathlon (existing venue) and part of the freestyle skiing and snowboard events

Flims-Laax could host the other freestyle and snowboarding events.

St Moritz could host alpine skiing, ski jumping (the venue there would need to be rebuilt) and bobsleigh.

Three Olympic villages (Davos, Chur and Sankt Moritz)

[StefanMUC]

Too bad the canton has (several times?) rejected bidding in a referendum quite clearly. Not sure if there would be any factor able to change it…

[SportLightning]

Maybe for the preferred city for Switzerland could be Lausanne after they host the 2020 Youth Olympics. 

[rubio]

On 7/14/2023 at 11:05 AM, StefanMUC said:

Too bad the canton has (several times?) rejected bidding in a referendum quite clearly. Not sure if there would be any factor able to change it…

Yes, that is too bad. I can understand why, but my idea is that this kind of games would be exactly what is needed to turn the Swiss reluctance towards hosting the Olympics around. It would play on Switzerland's strengths and traditions, and since it's becoming harder and harder to find countries and cities interested in hosting, this would also mean a good chance to turn back to the kind of Winter Games everyone seems to want but that we have been moving away from. I know that the idea originally was to have Graubünden team up with a large city like Zürich, but I can see why that wouldn't be as appealing to many Swiss.

 

 

[iceman530]

Since regional and principality bids are increasingly fashionable, are there any Swiss cantons that we know of that buck the pattern of referendum killing?

[StefanMUC]

Thurgau maybe. They have zero facilities though  Unless Lake Constance freezes over…

[rubio]

What about Vaud? Lausanne has hosted the the Youth Games; if they focus on Lausanne and mountain venues in Vaud (Villars, Leysin, Les Mosses, Les Diablerets, Château-d'Oex)?

[AustralianFan]

Government support ….. interesting.

 

[rubio]

Good to see the federal government's interest. However, Switzerland is so decentralized that I'd think it will hard to organize games if the canton isn't fully on board. 

The IOC has preferred big cities in most recent Olympics, but for Switzerland that poses challenges that countries like Canada or China didn't have (nor the Milano-Cortina model). I think it would be difficult to get anyone really enthusiastic about a combination with Zürich or Genève and mountain venues in another canton.

Bern could do it, because it has mountain venues in its canton. I'd say ice events in Bern (and maybe Thun), nordic events in Kandersteg, alpine events in Adelboden, freestyle and snowboard in Saanenmöser. Of course Wengen or Grindelwald could also be great.

Lausanne also has potential with hosting everything in the canton of Vaud.

Graubünden would not host "big city games", but has fantastic tradition and could take us back to the small-scale atmosphere that we all loved in Lillehammer. Added bonus is that the sliding venue in St Moritz is there, which always seemed a stumbling block in earlier Swiss bids.

[baron-pierreIV]

The problem for a Swiss bid is where do new Village(s) go?  I think if Sweden doesn't come through for 2030, the next best bid -- is a Swiss-Austrian bid.  Between Salzburg, Innsbruck, Sion, Lausanne, Zurich, Geneva and St. Moritz, there should be enough infrastructure there to stage a fairly good games without too much new construction.  

[rubio]

I don't think a multinational Olympics is ever going to happen. And we'll have to wait and see how well the logistics work at Milan-Cortina 2026, since this will be the first time the Games are so spread out. Don't think the villages in Switzerland would be the major issue.

[baron-pierreIV]

7 hours ago, rubio said:

I don't think a multinational Olympics is ever going to happen. And we'll have to wait and see how well the logistics work at Milan-Cortina 2026, since this will be the first time the Games are so spread out. Don't think the villages in Switzerland would be the major issue.

Uhmmm, it already happened in Antwerp 1920.  One of the yachting races was held in Dutch waters -- so your debunking my Austro-Swiss bid has ACTUALLY been brought to fruition.  So, there is PRECEDENT.  And uhmmm?  Japan-Korea 2002? AUS-NZ Women's World Cup now happening?  UNITED 2026?  HELLO? 

[FYI]

Milan-Cortina 2026 (such a dumb hyphenation - let’s go back to the one-name deals) is going to prove problematic, transportation-wise. And debunked the notion that a far-flung, spread-out Games is a “good idea for cost-effectiveness” (see the now cancelled Victoria 2026 CWG’s for starters).

[baron-pierreIV]

22 hours ago, rubio said:

I don't think a multinational Olympics is ever going to happen. And we'll have to wait and see how well the logistics work at Milan-Cortina 2026, since this will be the first time the Games are so spread out. Don't think the villages in Switzerland would be the major issue.

And I forgot another PERFECT, purposeful -- not incidental like 1920, example--the 1956 Summer Olympics.  Main body of sport in Melbourne but Equestrian events were in Sweden -- so that was the SECOND time an Olympic Games was split between two host countries and for the first time--on TWO different continents and opposing hemispheres no less.  

Edited July 26, 2023 by baron-pierreIV

[Bear]

Exclusive: Switzerland examining "national" bid for 2030 Winter Olympics (insidethegames.biz)

It will be a country-wide bid.

[iceman530]

On 7/26/2023 at 12:34 PM, Bear said:

Exclusive: Switzerland examining "national" bid for 2030 Winter Olympics (insidethegames.biz)

It will be a country-wide bid.

Literally nothing wrong with that.  Should be encouraged at this point.

[stryker]

I've said for a while now the only feasible options for the likes of Switzerland or Austria to host a WOGs cost effectively is to have a nation-wide bid. The problem in Switzerland like all their previous bids, a referendum will be required. And just like with previous failed bida, it takes just one canton to vote no to kill the bid. As mentioned, the unique structure of the Swiss political system actually works against an Olympic bid.