Stockholm/Åre 2030

[Sigh]

11 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

So we’re looking now at next month (May) I think it is for the next chapter or final Feasibility Report and then we see if Sweden Government support might emerge after that ?

Patience young grasshopper.

May another preliminary report

Late June Final report

July Sweden closed for vacation.

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A multitude of hurdles will have to be passed which will take a very long time.

Any government/municipal support is dependent on many, many factors. Every single one of them could end the whole thing. Actually, many believe that it will be IOC that torpedoes the bid by allowing Russians and Belarussians in the Paris games.

I recently was in contact with the sports columnist at one of the main newspapers. His line, strongly expressed in the newspaper, is to stop the bid due to the ethical/political aspects. Privately he believes that the games, if not for something else, will be stopped because the security apparatus would thrash Swedish law enforcement.

[AustralianFan]

9 hours ago, Sigh said:

Patience young grasshopper.

May another preliminary report

Late June Final report

July Sweden closed for vacation.

A multitude of hurdles will have to be passed which will take a very long time.

Any government/municipal support is dependent on many, many factors. Every single one of them could end the whole thing. Actually, many believe that it will be IOC that torpedoes the bid by allowing Russians and Belarussians in the Paris games.

I recently was in contact with the sports columnist at one of the main newspapers. His line, strongly expressed in the newspaper, is to stop the bid due to the ethical/political aspects. Privately he believes that the games, if not for something else, will be stopped because the security apparatus would thrash Swedish law enforcement.

If Stockholm pulls this off for 2030, it will be the second time in history that a city has hosted both the Summer and Winter Games, following Beijing in 2008 and 2022.

Here’s a look back at Stockholm 1912:

 

 

[TorchbearerSydney]

First city to host three* times......  (Equestrian 1956)

[Australian Kiwi]

2 hours ago, TorchbearerSydney said:

First city to host three* times......  (Equestrian 1956)

Its always struck me as strange that Stockholm gets a special mention for hosting equestrian in 1956... Hong Kong hosted equestrian at Beijing 2008; Amsterdam hosted the sailing at Antwerp 1920...

[Sir Rols]

40 minutes ago, Australian Kiwi said:

Its always struck me as strange that Stockholm gets a special mention for hosting equestrian in 1956... Hong Kong hosted equestrian at Beijing 2008; Amsterdam hosted the sailing at Antwerp 1920...

… and we’re gonna see surfing in Tahiti.

Good point though. I didn’t know about Antwerp’s Dutch detour.

I guess in Antwerp/Amsterdam and Beijing/HK’s cases, those were held simultaneously with the main celebrations, whilst in 1956 those distant events were held months apart (June versus November).

[Sir Rols]

Okay, upon further research on the Antwerp/Amsterdam situation, it wasn’t as clear cut as that. In fact, the bulk of the sailing took place in Belgium, at Ostend. It was actually only the final of one of the classes, the 12’ Dinghy, that tok place in Amsterdam.

As per Wikipedia:

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Ostend offers a fair condition for sailing on the North Sea. Though there are tidal conditions, the current is reasonable predictable. Local knowledge does not have too much influence of the races. The wind conditions are also good for sailing. However, in the case of the 1920 Summer Olympic regatta's the prevailing breeze did not show. Most races had to be sailed under light air conditions.

An unprecedented and unique Olympic situation happened with the races in the 12' Dinghy. When in the second race one of the marks was taken hostage by the tidal current and went drifting the race had to be nullified. Since the organizers did not have the time to resail the race and both teams were of Dutch origin the Belgian organization requested the Dutch Olympic Committee to resail the finals in The Netherlands. As a result, the first Olympic event held in the Netherlands was not in 1928 but already in 1920. As venue of this final the Buiten IJ in Amsterdam was chosen.

So it is probably a stretch to put hem in the same category as Stockholm/Melbourne 1956, or Beijing/HK 2008. Also, I think Hong Kong would have a good case to make to be regarded as the second host of a dedicated Olympic Equestrian Games. That is, if Beijing wouldn’t have been so quick and insistent to ensure they were held under it’s brand - unlike Stockholm ‘56:

And while Tahiti is going to be by far the farthest event staged away from the host city, in it’s case it’s still politically considered Metropolitan France.

Edited May 1, 2023 by Sir Rols

[Sigh]

Stockholm would not be the first to host Olympic games three times. That honour went to London in 2012 on much better grounds. Paris is next.

Interesting about the sailing in 1920.

Hong Kong was already part of PRC in 2008 even if a Special Admnistrative Region.

Tahiti is French (even if strictly speaking not part of "France métropolitaine" or even a DOM). The distance is extreme in this case but long distances within the same country has occurred often before, e.g. sailing Moscow-Tallinn and Munich-Kiel.

The equestrian games 1956  probably have been noted for a combination of reasons:

 * Early long distance case

* Two separate countries

* Not at the same time

* Swedish PR effort at the time

* Olympic games was a much more serious business in 1956 than in 1920 and in 1956 it was planned.

 

 

[baron-pierreIV]

Stockholm 1956 was just an anomaly. 

Were it not being an Olympic year -- and, of course, the huge logistical problem of transporting HUGE, live creatures half a world away AGAINST some of the strictist quarantine -- those Games would just have been a regular World Championships.  But the equestrian community felt slighted by the UNBENDING Aussie quarantine regulations, so they were NOT TO BE denied their own "Olympic Games" no matter HOW DISCONNECTED they were from the main body of Games.  

In the next Olympic Games, Squaw Valley 1960, there was no bobsled/luge because Alexander Fleming did NOT want to spend on the venue -- so the IOC just dropped it and the Bobsled/Luge did not bother to stage their own counter-Olympic Games for their being dropped ifromthe main Squaw Valley Games programme. 

I guess, the Equestrian community was the bigger drama queen at the time?!?! 

Edited May 1, 2023 by baron-pierreIV

[AustralianFan]

LOK leadership to be deemed public officials after Tikmers conflict of interest claims - ITG - 1 May 2023

Another chapter in the Latvian Olympic Committee (LOK) conflict of issue story.

Latvia would be likely host of sliding events in Sigulda, as we know, should a Stockholm based bid proceed for 2030.

[FYI]

On 4/30/2023 at 6:11 AM, Sigh said:

Patience young grasshopper.

On 4/30/2023 at 3:43 PM, AustralianFan said:

If Stockholm pulls this off for 2030, it will be the second time in history that a city has hosted both the Summer and Winter Games, following Beijing in 2008 and 2022.

Thank you for that fascinating observation SportLi.. Oh, wait.. 

[iceman530]

We shall see.  

[AustralianFan]

On 4/30/2023 at 8:11 PM, Sigh said:

May another preliminary report

Late June Final report

July Sweden closed for vacation.

I’m wondering if the Stockholm 2030 Feasibility Report  is completed a little earlier and in time for the IOC EB Board Meeting 20-22 June, it might allow the Future Host Commission to provide an update to the EB then.

If the Swedish Government were to express the crucial financial support needed for Stockholm 2030 after the June 20-22 Meeting, it then might be possible for the IOC Executive Board to elevate Stockholm 2030 to Targeted Dialogue at it’s October 12-13  Meeting following recommendations from the Future Host Commission.

Yes, the Russian and Belarusian issue is bubbling along as well in the background.

[SportLightning]

43 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

I’m wondering if the Stockholm 2030 Feasibility Report  is completed a little earlier and in time for the IOC EB Board Meeting 20-22 June, it might allow the Future Host Commission to provide an update to the EB then.

If the Swedish Government were to express the crucial financial support needed for Stockholm 2030 after the June 20-22 Meeting, it then might be possible for the IOC Executive Board to elevate Stockholm 2030 to Targeted Dialogue at it’s October 12-13  Meeting following recommendations from the Future Host Commission.

Yes, the Russian and Belarusian issue is bubbling along as well in the background.

If Stockholm wins 2030, Salt Lake City and Sapporo could fight for 2034.

[TorchbearerSydney]

Q: If Stockholm wins 2030, Salt Lake City and Sapporo could fight for 2034.

That would be a cruel betrayal of SLC that has stood firm and committed...

[FYI]

^Exactly, I don’t think that SLC/USOC is “rooting” for Stockholm 2030 just so Sapporo can come in & snag the ‘34 Winter Games. There must be something more to it there. 

Besides, Sapporo has been much too ambivalent anyway, for various reasons, so why not just go for a much more sure thing for ‘34, & then see where Sapporo stands for ‘38 instead.

[SportLightning]

2 hours ago, FYI said:

^Exactly, I don’t think that SLC/USOC is “rooting” for Stockholm 2030 just so Sapporo can come in & snag the ‘34 Winter Games. There must be something more to it there. 

Besides, Sapporo has been much too ambivalent anyway, for various reasons, so why not just go for a much more sure thing for ‘34, & then see where Sapporo stands for ‘38 instead.

Well Utah and Salt Lake City are rooting for Stockholm to host 2030.

[FYI]

^^^^^

[AustralianFan]

Music to the ears of Stockholm 2030 organisers and will make it easier for the Government of Sweden to make a crucial financial guarantees for the Games knowing the majority of their voters back a 2030 Olympic Winter Games in Sweden.

 

[Sigh]

I have to give it to SOK that they are much better at public opinion manipulation this time than last.

They are skilfully trying to mold the narrative with their rather iffy opinion polls and their interpretations.

"Polls are scientfific" Well, yes to a certain degree. They can give you an idea of trends if polls are repeated with the same questions and methodology several times. Snapshot? Very tricky and very often open to abuse. If you have several different and independent polls giving more or less the same result you can have some confidence. A single poll? NO!

Comparing a poll with more neutral questions with a poll with heavily loaded questions and then claim a big change in opinion is questionable to say the least.

Last time we at least could get an idea of the questions, not this time.

Political polling in Sweden usuallay present the framework and conditions as well as the figures:

* Telephone polling, internet or some other method will give different results.

* How many have they tried to reach?

* Telephone polling, internet or some other method will give different results.

* How many of those have answered?

* How many have declined to give an answer (looking at the one figure presented this time the no answer rate looks to be either some 20% or in the order of 35% but that is just an educated guess).

* Demography? Random selection or not? Most polls exclude people below a certain age and above an certain age. Other polls inidicate that younger respondents are more posititive than older so if the upper level is set at 70, 60, 50 ... has a big impact. If on top of that you have a non-random selection ...

The text from the Swedish news agency had a head-line not supported by the content of the piece. The head-line indicated increased support of olympic games in Sweden while the poll this time appears not to have included any such question. The poll only related how many people could consider how many respondents could consider attending the various games IF the games were held in Sweden not if they supported holding the games in Sweden (would you turn down the welcome drink if your friends had manhandled you into a nightclub with an expensive entrance fee?). The opinion poll should thus not by itself be interpreted as increased support since that question never was asked.  I don't know whether this misleading headline was due to SOK or the news agency.

Of course politicians are very well aware of this. Further, while public opinion does play a major role in decisions more hard-headed factors are also important, such as are they prepared to commit a third to half of the country's entire police-force for months (including preparation time before the games and winding down after the games and then a somewhat smaller deployment for the paralympics) for this?

In other news today Olle Stenhammar, leader of the 2004 Stockholm bid for the Summer games and an almost fanatical proponent of olympic games in Sweden, said that he doesn't want Sweden to bid for the 2030 winter games if the IOC leaves the door open for Russians.

 

PS

Robert appears to have misinterpreted the information. SOK does not claim that more than half of the respondents might be interested in watching paralympics on site, at least not in the information in Swedish on SOK's site.

[AustralianFan]

Sweden just won Eurovison 2023.

So this can only help the mood in the country and will not harm Sweden’s momentum on it’s journey ahead toward hosting the 2030 Winter Olympic and Paralympic Games.

 

 

[AustralianFan]

3 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

Sweden just won Eurovison 2023.

So this can only help the mood in the country and will not harm Sweden’s momentum on it’s journey ahead toward hosting the 2030 Winter Olympic and Paralympic Games.

[Sigh]

7 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

Sweden just won Eurovison 2023.

So this can only help the mood in the country and will not harm Sweden’s momentum on it’s journey ahead toward hosting the 2030 Winter Olympic and Paralympic Games.

 

 

This certainly will increase Sweden's Gross National Happiness. Most likely it will provide the "campfire" effect SOK is trying to achieve, at a fraction of the cost.

If the last time is repeated Stockholm, Gothenburg or Malmoe will have great time. ESC fans certainly knows how to have a good time and the warm weather and light days in May invites fun (as opposed to dreary February). Sir Rols, I suggest you start planning to revisit Sweden next year in May! Still don't know which city though.

I'm less sure that it will have any impact regarding a olympic games bid though.

[iceman530]

Polls and sampling are increasingly prone to manipulation and saying the things you want them to say.  Even Sweden is getting in on the fun.  It may be disingenuous, but it can help Sweden land a bid, I dont debate that.

[AustralianFan]

9 hours ago, Sigh said:

This certainly will increase Sweden's Gross National Happiness. Most likely it will provide the "campfire" effect SOK is trying to achieve, at a fraction of the cost.

If the last time is repeated Stockholm, Gothenburg or Malmoe will have great time. ESC fans certainly knows how to have a good time and the warm weather and light days in May invites fun (as opposed to dreary February). Sir Rols, I suggest you start planning to revisit Sweden next year in May! Still don't know which city though.

I'm less sure that it will have any impact regarding a olympic games bid though.

I love the “campfire effect” analogy.    It will be further boosted next  year when Sweden hosts, as it will also be the 50th Anniversary since ABBA won Eurovision.   So a great feeling all round in the country right now.  

We’ll see how the  2030 Winter Olympic bid proceeds, but I like it’s chances even more now.

[yoshi]

Will you pick Stockholm to host 2024 in order to help/promote its Olympic bid? Even though Gothenburg is the only one of the big 3 not to host Eurovision recently so by rights it's their turn...will undoubtedly be a great show though, Eurovision and Sweden just go together