Brisbane 2032 Venues/Stadiums Thread

[AustralianFan]

Following Paris 2024 and the ‘star power’ heading toward LA 2028, some good points made in The Project’s report further below on the pressure Brisbane 2032 is under.

Even swimming at Suncorp Stadium is mentioned again, like Paris 2024 did with their swimming venue at their indoor rugby stadium.

Reports also coming out today re Federal Opposition Leader Dutton and more cash for Brisbane Olympic projects if he wins government.  

 

[AustralianFan]

Gabba Rebuild On Again ?

Queensland LNP Leader Crisafulli has comfirmed that a Gabba Rebuild would be considered the his 100 day review if he wins Government at this month’s state election.

Gabba Rebuild on the table under LNP’s 100 day review - Brisbane Times

[AustralianFan]

Australian Federal Opposition Leader Dutton might be just scrapping for more votes but he is reportedly “leaving the door open” re extra venue funds for Brisbane 2032’s venues if LNP wins government in both Queensland state and national elections.

[Gonzo]

People need to read behind Crisafulli's lines, he is ruling out as "we" are not building a new stadium, but note the specific use of the word "we" which is what he is saying in every interview

"We" as in the QLD government yet rather leaving the door open for private investment to build one

[AustralianFan]

On 10/8/2024 at 9:51 AM, Gonzo said:

People need to read behind Crisafulli's lines, he is ruling out as "we" are not building a new stadium, but note the specific use of the word "we" which is what he is saying in every interview

"We" as in the QLD government yet rather leaving the door open for private investment to build one

Yes that’s true.  

[Gonzo]

"Currently, there is no outdoor venue in Brisbane capable of holding a concert the size of Oasis, concert promoter Michael Coppel told the Courier Mail."

Don't look back in anger Brisbanites

[AustralianFan]

21 hours ago, Gonzo said:

"Currently, there is no outdoor venue in Brisbane capable of holding a concert the size of Oasis, concert promoter Michael Coppel told the Courier Mail."

Don't look back in anger Brisbanites

The LNP should win this month’s election and then the 100-day venue review begins soon after.

That should end up with a suitable stadium for the Games and mega concerts - we hope.

[AustralianFan]

With the Queensland State Election just days away, the Courier-Mail media outlet has it seems sought the views of their readers on the Brisbane 2032 Stadium options:

Brisbane 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Games Stadium options

Many Queenslanders have resoundingly rejected Premier Steven Miles’ no-frills option for an Olympic Games stadium and instead backed the more ambitious proposals which could also lure major artists like Taylor Swift to Queensland.

The Courier Mail, together with its regional sister publications, presented the four stadium options to readers across its social media sites asking readers to vote.
Almost half (46 per cent) of more than 1700 who voted, wanted the $3.4 billion, 70,000-seat Victoria Park plan, followed by the $6 billion private Northshore bid which includes a 60,000-seat stadium (36.5 per cent) with the Gabba development coming in third (17 per cent). 

Previously, 70 per cent of about 25,000 readers selected Victoria Park in a poll on the Courier Mail website.

Queensland Sport and Athletic Centre (QSAC)

An upgrade of The Queensland Sport and Athletics Centre at Mount Gravatt is the cheapest option.
Premier Steven Miles’ preferred $1.6 billion renovation of the Queensland Sports and Athletics Centre, providing 40,000 seats, barely got a vote or favourable comment.
But across regional Queensland there are still many questioning the benefits of the Olympic Games for the whole of the state.
Many readers said the money would be better spent on fixing the Bruce Highway or boosting health, ambulance, police and housing.
But others, including in Queensland’s most marginal Labor seat of Bundaberg, thought Queensland was being left behind by its lack of venues.

Brisbane Design Alliance Northshore

Brisbane Design Alliance Northshore Vision involves the building of the Brisbane Olympic Games 2032 Stadium.
Mario Licastro put the case for Victoria Park, saying a huge stadium could be used for large events, grand finals, and World Cup contests after the Olympics.
Danielle Handy Hayden said Brisbane needed a massive stadium at Victoria Park that could host international music and sporting events next to a dedicated transport hub.

Victoria Park Olympic Stadium by Archipelago

“That is what we deserve. We have great weather but Melbourne and Sydney get all the biggest and best events and we get shafted again and again.”
Allan Golinski said a stadium at Northshore would ‘look amazing at night over the river’.

Gabba Redevelopment

An artist impression of the proposed Gabba redevelopment.
On the Sunshine Coast, Andrew Watto was taking a more frugal approach. “QSAC just needs a coat of paint. She will be right!”
But Colleen Dee in Bundaberg said it was time Queensland had a precinct like Olympic Park in Sydney.
“We are losing so much revenue with big names not coming to Qld because the venues don’t hold enough people.
“NSW made $140 million from Taylor Swift’s visit, Victoria $175 million.
“A 60,000 stadium is nothing – we just about have that at Suncorp!”

Queensland Olympic stadium options

• $3.4 billion venue at Victoria Park: A 70,000-seat stadium (pictured) and Brisbane indoor arena. It would be connected above the Inner City Bypass to create a massive 90ha sporting and events venue precinct within a 20-minute walk of three railway stations – including Exhibition on the $6.3bn Cross River Rail.
• $2.7 billion rebuild of the Gabba: It already has public transport, but proposal has divided local community amid plans to close East Brisbane State School. Olympic powerbroker John Coates opposed the plan, in favour of an opening and closing ceremony at Suncorp Stadium and athletics at the Queensland Sport and Athletics Centre (formerly QEII Stadium).
• $1.6 billion temporary QSAC upgrade: Only 40,000 seats with warnings it would leave a hole in the $1.29bn ticket revenue target for the Olympics. It would be the smallest since the Amsterdam Games held 104 years earlier and give residents “little opportunity” to see finals events in 2032.
• $6 billion Northshore project: Includes new 60,000 seat stadium as the centre piece, a hotel overlooking the venue, a 2500-apartment athletes’ village, pedestrian walkways along the river, an aquatic and wavepool centre as well as a retail and restaurant hub. Largely privately funded. The state government is being asked offer up the land required for the 150ha site between Bretts Wharf on Kingsford Smith Drive and Royal Queensland Golf Club, and help fix the transport problems.

Joan Adcock, of Gympie, said she wanted the politics taken out of the Olympic Games stadium decision, saying it should be left to experts.
LNP leader David Crisafulli has refused to say what option he supports.
This week, the Opposition leader again ruled out QSAC and building a new main stadium. He stood behind a 100-day infrastructure review to determine Games venues.

David Crisafulli has promised a decision on the Olympic stadium after an independent 100-day review.
But on the Gold Coast, Tim Mander, the Opposition spokesman for Sport and Olympics and Paralympics refused to rule out building a new stadium.
Michael Colahan, of Townsville, said he believed the Games would be good for Brisbane but ‘not so much for the rest of Queensland’. He favoured an upgrade of the Gabba.
David Scott on the Gold Coast said he believed the refurbishment of the Queensland Sports and Athletics Centre was the best way to go given its lower cost.
But Paul Letheby said he feared the 2032 Games in Queensland would be known as the ‘world’s penny pitching’ Olympics.

[AustralianFan]

 

7 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

The same tidal and cleansing effect of the Pacific Ocean goes for the Brisbane 2032 Olympic Triathlon Venue at Broadwater Parklands on the Gold Coast as it does for the LA2028 Long Beach venue.  

 

Should be excellent conditions for athletes and also spectaular television images from the Gold Coast Triathlon and Open Water Swimming events at Brisbane 2032.

Similarly for Surfing and Coastal Rowing which are expected to soon be added to the Brisbane 2032 program and the Gold Coast is heavily favoured to host these additional events.

[AustralianFan]

 

On 10/21/2024 at 6:53 AM, Australian Kiwi said:

Bring it on - wish they've had piped up for 2032 so we weren't stuck with Brisbane.

On 10/21/2024 at 7:56 AM, baron-pierreIV said:

They could be a quick fall-back should Brisbane falter?  But that puts them only 2 years behind the FIFA 2030 WC--which might be a bit too much for Spain even though the 2030 duties are co-shared with 2 other countries.  So, essentially it would have the same marketing dynamics as United 2026-LA28, altho, of course, USA is the bigger market.  

On 10/21/2024 at 8:43 AM, AustralianFan said:

Don’t be ridiculous.   Brisbane 2032 has not faltered and is not faltering.  Where on earth did you get that from?
Briabane 2032 is well advanced in it’s preparations and the location of the track and field venue/stadium issuecshould be soon sorted with the heavily backed LNP Party about to win the Queensland State Election this month and ditch QSAC as the venue. 

On 10/21/2024 at 8:14 PM, Australian Kiwi said:

The fact you need to rant about relying on the outcome of an election to secure some sense of security tells me things aren't good. 

What Olympic host in the last 50 years has faced such sheer insecurity in its planning? 

On 10/22/2024 at 4:55 AM, Bear said:

Montreal, Athens, Rio...

at least Brisbane is still outside of the traditional 7 year window haha (though they're starting to cut it real close...)

On 10/22/2024 at 5:54 AM, sebastien1214 said:

Which clearly shows the failure that is the New norm, if we had stuck to the old procedure, I am almost sure that we would have had candidate city bid with much better and stronger bids. (even if it would have given Doha 2032, probably, unfortunately)

On 10/22/2024 at 7:39 AM, baron-pierreIV said:

I disagree.  The New Norm really works much better.  It cuts so much waste and duplication in the Open Bidding -- but the result will be the same: there can only be one winner per cycle.  Then politics and favors and backroom deals play in the Old Format.  the New Norm is not as showy & exciting, but it really is the more sensible and probably less stressful and expensive way to go.  

On 10/22/2024 at 8:16 AM, Australian Kiwi said:

You're misunderstanding the extent of the challenges Brisbane is facing - all those cities had stadium locations decided well in advance. 

Brisbane is less than 8 years out of hosting and doesn't even have a suitable stadium location identified, let alone undergoing detailed design, approvals, construction, delivery, etc... they have squandered 11 years lead in.

On 10/22/2024 at 8:21 AM, Australian Kiwi said:

Montreal - had its stadium land secured and ready to go 10+ years before winning its bid in 1970. Challenges were construction/strike related.

Athens - existing stadium (part of Athens previous bids, it was never in douhbt). Challenges were project management in construction of the roof.

Rio - They used existing stadiums so i'm not sure why you've lumped them in here?

Brisbane - isn't even settled on a stadium location 8 years out. That is unprecedented since 1956.

On 10/22/2024 at 9:27 AM, Bear said:

Okay, perhaps a better example:

Tokyo 2020 - the design for the Olympic Stadium was completely scrapped in 2015, only 5 years prior to the original start of the Games. The process was started from scratch in late 2015, going into 2016. Construction itself would not begin until December 2016, less than 4 years out.

Sure, TOCOG already had a site mapped out, but no design or anything until the mentioned dates. If Brisbane can get a site located within the next 3 years, it'll be in the same timeline as TOCOG, and maybe be in a better place than TOCOG was at the 5 year to go mark, if they hurry up.

On 10/22/2024 at 10:40 AM, baron-pierreIV said:

Yes, but all parties knew this when closing to finalize the deal.  So, how far behind is Brisbane on this crucial matter?? 

On 10/22/2024 at 11:56 AM, Australian Kiwi said:

No certainty on location of stadium. LIkely new state government coming in who will flip the table on the current venue plan. 

Imagine if Atlanta abandoned fundamental parts of its plan in 1991.

@Australian Kiwi   @baron-pierreIV  @Bear

 @sebastien1214

With 8 years to go, Brisbane 2032 only needs to sort out it’s Track and Field Venue. That’s it.

Everything else is on track with the majority of Brisbane’s venues being existing venues and progress reports on these published and regularly updated at the official Games website:

Q2032 Plans and Progress

Election day in Queensland is today, Saturday 26 October 2024  which will resolve the stadium issue once and for all.

• If the LNP opposition leader Crisafulli gets over the line and wins government today in a tightening race, we can expect a new stadium for Track and Field following his 100-day review.  Crisafulli has vowed to ditch QSAC for Track and Field.
• If the current Government Leader Premier Miles wins today, the Briabane 2032 Track and Field Venue will remain as QSAC - Queensland Sport and Athletic Centre.

Personally, I’m hoping the LNP wins today and Queensland gets a new legacy stadium constructed for AFL, Cricket and Olympic/Paralympic Track and Field.

[Bear]

 

34 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

With 8 years to go, Brisbane 2032 only needs to sort out it’s Track and Field Venue. That’s it.

Everything else is on track with the majority of Brisbane’s venues being existing venues and progress reports on these published and regularly updated at the official Games website:

Q2032 Plans and Progress

Election day in Queensland is today, Saturday 26 October 2024  which will resolve the stadium issue once and for all.

• If the LNP opposition leader Crisafulli gets over the line and wins government today in a tightening race, we can expect a new stadium for Track and Field following his 100-day review.  Crisafulli has vowed to ditch QSAC for Track and Field.
• If the current Government Leader Premier Miles wins today, the Briabane 2032 Track and Field Venue will remain as QSAC - Queensland Sport and Athletic Centre.

Personally, I’m hoping the LNP wins today and Queensland gets a new legacy stadium constructed for AFL, Cricket and Olympic/Paralympic Track and Field.

yeah, as of right now I'm not really worried about it. Like I said (and you highlighted as well), there's eight years to go - still outside of the traditional 7 year window. Tokyo was able to create a stadium from scratch less than 5 years* prior to the start of their Games, so if Brisbane / QLD is able to sort the location issues within the next three years (hopefully sooner than later), it will still be on track to deliver if Tokyo is any indication.
*not taking into consideration the 1 year postponement

As for the other venues, even if they are shuffled around - that is very normal. We're seeing this with LA28, we saw this with Paris 2024.

And before anyone says anything, I know Brisbane 2032 is not immune from criticism, as I also do not agree 100% with the decisions made by Brisbane / QLD. For example, I've made it clear that I think it should be Penrith over Redland for slalom, Carrara over the Gabba (at the time) for athletics, etc. That being said, I don't really think Brisbane 2032 will be the disaster many here are making it seem, directly or indirectly.

[AustralianFan]

2 minutes ago, Bear said:

 

yeah, as of right now I'm not really worried about it. Like I said (and you highlighted as well), there's eight years to go - still outside of the traditional 7 year window. Tokyo was able to create a stadium from scratch less than 5 years* prior to the start of their Games, so if Brisbane / QLD is able to sort the location issues within the next three years (hopefully sooner than later), it will still be on track to deliver if Tokyo is any indication.
*not taking into consideration the 1 year postponement

As for the other venues, even if they are shuffled around - that is very normal. We're seeing this with LA28, we saw this with Paris 2024.

And before anyone says anything, I know Brisbane 2032 is not immune from criticism, as I also do not agree 100% with the decisions made by Brisbane / QLD. For example, I've made it clear that I think it should be Penrith over Redland for slalom, Carrara over the Gabba (at the time) for athletics, etc. That being said, I don't really think Brisbane 2032 will be the disaster many here are making it seem, directly or indirectly.

Yes agree.  A stadium can be designed and built well within 8 years as you said with Tokyo’s 5-year example.

I think that there has on this website and also on skyscrapercity such a discussion obsession with the stadium issue that many, not all, have lost sight of all the other Brisbane 2032 venues and progress.

As at this point in time, the only Brisbane 2032 venue in question is the Track and Field venue. Yes it’s a biggie but today’s Queensland State Election should resolve this once and for all.

There is no “fundamental shift in planning” as @Australian Kiwi has asserted.  

[Bear]

51 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

Yes agree.  A stadium can be designed and built well within 8 years as you said with Tokyo’s 5-year example.

I think that there has on this website and also on skyscrapercity such a discussion obsession with the stadium issue that many, not all, have lost sight of all the other Brisbane 2032 venues and progress.

As at this point in time, the only Brisbane 2032 venue in question is the Track and Field venue. Yes it’s a biggie but today’s Queensland State Election should resolve this once and for all.

There is no “fundamental shift in planning” as @Australian Kiwi has asserted.  

I did hear a while ago that there was talk about possibly relocating the Brisbane Live arena to a different site, has anything come up from that?

[AustralianFan]

3 hours ago, Bear said:

I did hear a while ago that there was talk about possibly relocating the Brisbane Live arena to a different site, has anything come up from that?

Yes the Brisbane Arena (aka ‘Brisbane Live’) has been moved from above Roma Street transport interchange to the nearby Roma Street Parklands.  This has bipartisan support.   Recently, Queensland Premier Miles showcased the new inegrated garden design of Brisbane Arena in it’s new location.

This swimming and water polo / multi-use indoor venue is fully funded by the Australian Government.  Temporary drop-in pools will be installed for competition  and warm-up.

 

[Australian Kiwi]

According to ABC LNP victory now becoming "less and less certain"... interesting night if Labor do manage to hold on.

Hello QSAC 2032. LOL

[AustralianFan]

34 minutes ago, Australian Kiwi said:

According to ABC LNP victory now becoming "less and less certain"... interesting night if Labor do manage to hold on.

Hello QSAC 2032. LOL

I don’t know what coverage you’re watching but the LNP is edging closer to the majority government number of 47 seats and are now just 2 seats short of that with more prepoll votes coming in favouring the LNP.

At 22:36 AEDT ABC Australia’s election analyst Antony Green now projecting that the LNP will likely form government in Queensland.

[AustralianFan]

54 minutes ago, Australian Kiwi said:

According to ABC LNP victory now becoming "less and less certain"... interesting night if Labor do manage to hold on.

Hello QSAC 2032. LOL

 

12 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

I don’t know what coverage you’re watching but the LNP is edging closer to the majority government number of 47 seats and are now just 2 seats short of that with more prepoll votes coming in favouring the LNP.

At 22:36 AEDT ABC Australia’s election analyst Antony Green now projecting that the LNP will likely form government in Queensland.

Yes, the LNP will form government and David Crisafulli will become the 41st Premier of Queensland.

Goodbye QSAC!

 

[AustralianFan]

53 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

 

Yes, the LNP will form government and David Crisafulli will become the 41st Premier of Queensland.

Goodbye QSAC!

 

At 23:43 AEDT 26/10/24, the LNP reaches the majority government figure of 47 seats as called by Antony Green from ABC Australia.

So yes, goodbye QSAC and the 100-day Olympic review to get underway under the new LNP Government of Queensland.

[Rob2012]

14 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

Yes agree.  A stadium can be designed and built well within 8 years as you said with Tokyo’s 5-year example.

I don't think that was ever a worry really. Most of the discussion here has really been about how Brisbane was awarded the Games and how this stadium debacle reflects on the new process, on the IOC, and on Brisbane and its organising committee. Only the most pessimistic have suggested the '32 Games are under existential threat because of this.

ALL THAT SAID - The thing with Tokyo is they already had a site selected and masterplanned for their stadium, with considerations like transport already worked out. All they did was switch one design out for another on the same site. Brisbane isn't even at that stage yet. So whilst 8 years is plenty of time, you're right, it could quickly be eaten up if this planning/arguing stage drags on much longer. And I think it probably precludes anything really ambitious that requires huge transport links/regeneration etc.

My guess is it's now between the Gabba and Vic Park. Would that be a fair assumption?

 

Edited October 26, 2024 by Rob2012

[AustralianFan]

4 hours ago, Rob2012 said:

I don't think that was ever a worry really. Most of the discussion here has really been about how Brisbane was awarded the Games and how this stadium debacle reflects on the new process, on the IOC, and on Brisbane and its organising committee. Only the most pessimistic have suggested the '32 Games are under existential threat because of this.

ALL THAT SAID - The thing with Tokyo is they already had a site selected and masterplanned for their stadium, with considerations like transport already worked out. All they did was switch one design out for another on the same site. Brisbane isn't even at that stage yet. So whilst 8 years is plenty of time, you're right, it could quickly be eaten up if this planning/arguing stage drags on much longer. And I think it probably precludes anything really ambitious that requires huge transport links/regeneration etc.

My guess is it's now between the Gabba and Vic Park. Would that be a fair assumption?

 

I honestly don’t know where the Track and Field Venue might be with the new Premier’s 100-day Olympic venues review. Crisafulli has been very disciplined in continually saying ‘No to QSAC’ but not mentioning the alternatve.  

[Gonzo]

10 hours ago, Australian Kiwi said:

According to ABC LNP victory now becoming "less and less certain"... interesting night if Labor do manage to hold on.

Let the QLD Election be a lesson in not believing the early votes

Long gone are the days of knowing the result by 10pm with the massive rise in pre-poll and postal votes

You had Giggles Miles coming out at 10:30pm stating the LNP would not form majority government and was a 'great night for the ALP'

Yet when the pre-poll/postal vote dump came in at 2am it turned into a blue wave tsunami and in the end the final election result will not even be close and is verging on "LNP landslide" proportions

The 100 day clock starts ticking now 

[Australian Kiwi]

1 hour ago, Gonzo said:

Let the QLD Election be a lesson in not believing the early votes

Long gone are the days of knowing the result by 10pm with the massive rise in pre-poll and postal votes

You had Giggles Miles coming out at 10:30pm stating the LNP would not form majority government and was a 'great night for the ALP'

 

Actually I was quoting Antony Green.

[Australian Kiwi]

9 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

At 23:43 AEDT 26/10/24, the LNP reaches the majority government figure of 47 seats as called by Antony Green from ABC Australia.

So yes, goodbye QSAC and the 100-day Olympic review to get underway under the new LNP Government of Queensland.

Imagine rallying behind a party that dogwhistled its way to the demise of the Voice referendum which hurt you so much.

Over a stadium.

 

[Australian Kiwi]

9 hours ago, Rob2012 said:

 

My guess is it's now between the Gabba and Vic Park. Would that be a fair assumption?

 

Id be putting my bets on a Gabba rebuild or refurb.

Vic Park is politically risky and therefore a time risk.

[Gonzo]

Premier Crisafulli just held his first press conference

QSAC option dead

Will go though the 100 day review but Gabba rebuild looming as preferred option

Bulldoze a park or a school?

As Michael Jordan once said

"**** them kids"