Brisbane 2032 Venues/Stadiums Thread

[Bear]

14 minutes ago, TorchbearerSydney said:

Brisbane is shaping up to be the worst Games of the modern era.

okay let's not forget about 1904, 1936, 1976...

[TorchbearerSydney]

By modern I meant post 1988 (post boycotts) ....my apologies!

Yes, there were some bad early ones...

[Rob2012]

Thanks Google...

 

 

[Brekkie Boy]

Whilst Paris looked to match London it seems Atlanta will be the benchmark for Brisbane.

Were Melbourne and Sydney even sounded out for 2032? 

[ejaycat]

12 hours ago, Rob2012 said:

Thanks Google...

 

 

WTF?

[ejaycat]

16 hours ago, TorchbearerSydney said:

Brisbane is shaping up to be the worst Games of the modern era.

Why?  I think it'll be a breath of fresh air.  Brisbane's never hosted before, so I think it'll be a very unique Games!  

[FYI]

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Whilst Paris looked to match London it seems Atlanta will be the benchmark for Brisbane.

Yep.

[FYI]

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Were Melbourne and Sydney even sounded out for 2032? 

Nope.

For starters, Melbourne was out due to the simple fact that they couldn't host in the IOC's (at the time) mandated window of July/Aug.

Second, Sydney was more than likely seen as "too soon" from 2000. And lastly, & much more relevant here, JC wouldn't have it any other way!

[FYI]

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Brisbane's never hosted before, so I think it'll be a very unique Games! 

Neither did Atlanta. But I'm sure QSAC (& Suncorp) will make one heck of a venue! 

[Victorian]

View of the precinct for Olympics with warm up track

[Brekkie Boy]

Hasn't that plan already been rejected though? 

As things stand they'll probably use the warm up track as the Olympic Stadium.

 

[Victorian]

1 hour ago, Brekkie Boy said:

Hasn't that plan already been rejected though? 

As things stand they'll probably use the warm up track as the Olympic Stadium.

 

By the current government, yes. But come the end of October, we should have a new government.

[Roger87]

On 8/28/2024 at 4:12 PM, FYI said:

Nope.

For starters, Melbourne was out due to the simple fact that they couldn't host in the IOC's (at the time) mandated window of July/Aug.

Now watching the Pandora box's with Doha, this is a serious middle finger considering how Melbourne is actually prepared and ready for hosting this event in highsight.

[AustralianFan]

Suncorp Stadium for swimming/water polo finals?

There’s been “some talk” of moving the 2032 swimming and water polo finals from Brisbane Arena to Suncorp Stadium, as did Paris 2024 and LA 2028 did with the massive La Defense Arena and Sofi Stadium respectively with temporary drop-in pools. 

So, where would the 2032 Olympic Football Finals and Rugby Sevens play if they were shifted out of Suncorp Stadium?

[AustralianFan]

GABBA 2.0 ?

Very interesting assessment of all Brisbane Olympic Stadium options released by Mel Pikos (Talking Tactics).

I like Gabba 2.0

 

[Rob2012]

That's a really good summary, thanks.

His new idea is interesting...I have no idea of the geography or the infrastructure set up currently there so won't comment on that. But if you want a smooth transition for cricket/AFL into Gabba 2.0, you're going to need to start building it pretty much now if you also want to demolish Gabba and build an Olympic village in its place before 2032!! Like the Northshore option, it all feels like it's all a bit too late to be considering something on that scale.

To me, it's still between the original Gabba redveloment and Vic Park (which, admittedly as an outsider, I'm warming to if the guy in the video is right and that portion of the park is underutilised and unloved)

Edited September 14 by Rob2012

[AustralianFan]

8 minutes ago, Rob2012 said:

That's a really good summary, thanks.

His new idea is interesting...I have no idea of the geography or the infrastructure set up currently there so won't comment on that. But if you want a smooth transition for cricket/AFL into Gabba 2.0, you're going to need to start building it pretty much now if you also want to demolish Gabba and build an Olympic village in its place before 2032!! Like the Northshore option, it all feels like it's all a bit too late to be considering something on that scale.

To me, it's still between the original Gabba redveloment and Vic Park (which, admittedly as an outsider, I'm warming to if the guy in the video is right and that portion of the park is underutilised and unloved)

Yes I agree re the Athletes Village. Keep it at Northshore and keep the current Gabba as the home of AFL/ Cricket until Gabba 2.0 is built.

The current Gabba will still be useful as a T20 Cricket venue during the 2032 Olympic Games with this sport odds-on to be added to Brisbane sports program.

Then demolish the current Gabba to make way for residential development.

[AustralianFan]

On 9/11/2024 at 5:46 AM, AustralianFan said:

Suncorp Stadium for swimming/water polo finals?

There’s been “some talk” of moving the 2032 swimming and water polo finals from Brisbane Arena to Suncorp Stadium, as did Paris 2024 and LA 2028 did with the massive La Defense Arena and Sofi Stadium respectively with temporary drop-in pools. 

So, where would the 2032 Olympic Football Finals and Rugby Sevens play if they were shifted out of Suncorp Stadium?

 

Suncorp Stadium would be great as a bigger swimming venue with a legacy roof installed for not only the Olympic and Paralympic swimming and water polo finals, but also to be an all weather venue for NRL, Rugby Union and Soccer crowds well into the future.

The alignment and positioning of the pool installations at Suncorp Stadium  and orientation of the temporary competition pool to the corporate boxes can be left to the experts to create a much bigger capacity swimming venue for fans to pack into to see our most successful Olympic sport.

The question of who’s going to pay for a roof on Suncorp Stadium will be up to a new Queensland Government and the new Olympic Infrastructure and Legacy Authority to work out should the 100-day review recommend a move of swimming/water polo finals to the bigger Suncorp Stadium.

Rugby Sevens if not at Suncorp Stadium

Rugby Sevens has had a variety of Olympic venue sizes since it‘s debut at Rio 2016 with a 15,000 capacity.  Then up to a high of 77,000 at Stade de France Paris 2024 down to 30,000 at LA 2028:

2016 Rio de Janeiro (debut)	Deodoro Stadium	15,000
2020 Tokyo	Tokyo Stadium	48,000
2024 Paris	Stade de France	77,083
2028 Los Angeles	Dignity Health Sports Park	30,000

If swimming and water polo moved to a Suncorp Stadium with a roof, Carrara Stadium could host Rugby Sevens by matching it’s 2018 Commonwealth Games capacity of 34,000 with the addition of a temporary grandstand at the open end.

Or,  provided we end up with a new or rebuilt Brisbane Olympic Stadium, Rugby Sevens could be hosted there in the first week as Paris 2024 did at Stade de France recently just before track and field started.

Olympic Football Medal Matches if not at Suncorp Stadium

Similarly, the 2032 Olympic football medal matches could also be hosted in a new or rebuilt Brisbane Olympic Stadium just as they were successfully hosted in the Sydney 2000 main stadium with some track and field scheduling adjustments.

Brisbane Arena  if swimming moved to Suncorp Stadium

Brisbane Arena could easily host of either of the big blue ribbon events of basketball or gymnastics with packed crowds of around 17,000 or so at every session.

[AustralianFan]

Don’t panic, We’ve got this

CEO Andrew Liveris has provided some reassuring words on Brisbane 2032’s venues and preparedness in this AAP News Report

• “Please don't panic. We've got this."
• “We have 2865 days to get this right," Mr Liveris said.
• "Paris were still deciding on venues 600 days out”
• ”Los Angeles still hasn't finalised many of their venues for many of their sports”

 

[Victorian]

5 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

 

Don’t panic, We’ve got this

CEO Andrew Liveris has provided some reassuring words on Brisbane 2032’s venues and preparedness in this AAP News Report

• “Please don't panic. We've got this."
• “We have 2865 days to get this right," Mr Liveris said.
• "Paris were still deciding on venues 600 days out”
• ”Los Angeles still hasn't finalised many of their venues for many of their sports”

 

These articles show that Andrew Liveris appears to be trying to push a new stadium (with legacy benefits for Cricket and Australian Rules. Also the LNP Leader, David Crisafulli who is predicted to become QLD Premier next month has announced his party would scrap QSAC if elected. No answer as to where the Olympic Stadium would then be though.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/queensland-opposition-leader-has-rejected-plans-for-16bn-olympic-stadium-rebuild/news-story/cdbe63ffc8836bffd605b0f46adf032a

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-18/olympics-venue-ocog-andrew-liveris-queensland-2032/104364532

 

This also comes at the time that a major report about the Hobart Macquarie Point Stadium has been released mentioning that Cricket Australia would stage an annual test match at the new Hobart stadium from 2031 (would replace Brisbane). If Brisbane don't build a new stadium, they will miss out on Test Cricket.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-19/hobart-macquarie-point-stadium-topics-explained/104356722

 

[AustralianFan]

Brisbane Needs a New Stadium, Olympics or not

Absolutely Brisbane needs a new stadium for AFL and Cricket anyway, Olympics or not with the old Gabba nearing its end of life.

HERE’S WHY VICTORIA PARK STACKS UP AS THE SOLUTION TO BRISBANE’s OLYMPIC VENUE ARGUMENT

by Matt Eaton and Jessica Stewart

There's an elephant on the oval that is being studiously ignored in the political stoush about an athletics venue for the Brisbane 2032 Olympics — the Queensland capital needs a new sports stadium.

And rebuilding the Gabba probably won't cut the mustard as a legacy development for cricket and AFL fans.

These two key points underpinned the Sport Venue Review handed down by former LNP lord mayor Graham Quirk back in March.

Both were overlooked when Premier Steven Miles rejected the review's strong recommendation to build a new stadium in Victoria Park.

Earlier this week, Brisbane 2032 Organising Committee (OCOG) president Andrew Liveris fronted the media and urged cricket and AFL bosses to "stand up" and fight for a new stadium that will meet future population growth and ticket demand.

"The Olympics can't take the lead there," Mr Liveris said.

With those comments in mind, the ABC spoke to Mr Quirk about why his report so boldly declared Victoria Park "the only obvious option".

He pointed right at the elephant without prompting.

"Government at some point in the next 10 years are going to have to do a new venue anyway," Mr Quirk said.

"Whether that is a rebuild of the Gabba, whether it is a new site somewhere, it's going to have to occur because the Gabba has run its natural life," Mr Quirk said.

But space limitations will always mean a refurbished Gabba "could not get to a tier one stadium" — meaning it will never offer seating for 55,000 people.

"If we're going to spend in the order of $3 billion you want to get to a tier one, so it's competitive with other stadiums around Australia."

QSAC transport 'extremely challenging'

Mr Miles, having already knocked the Gabba on the head, quickly rejected Victoria Park as too expensive.

He opted for a refurbished Queensland Sport and Athletics Centre (QSAC) at Mt Gravatt in southern Brisbane, despite clear advice to the contrary.

QSAC can never be used for cricket or AFL — only for athletics.

The Sport Venue Review pointed out that most of its 40,000 seats for the Olympics would be temporary and still be "by far the lowest capacity for any Games held in recent history".

Mr Quirk's review found transport to QSAC would be "extremely challenging and costly to facilitate".

LNP leader David Crisafulli has been arguing repeatedly that Queenslanders are "embarrassed" by the QSAC Olympic option.

"QSAC is not the right venue," he said.

"I don't think there's any scenario where any Queenslander looks at that plan and doesn't see anything but cringeworthiness from a desperate government."

Mr Crisafulli has promised an LNP government would enact a 100-day review of Olympic venue options — but is also insisting there will be no new venues built.

Treasurer Cameron Dick claims Mr Crisafulli is saying something different behind closed doors.

"The worst kept secret around town, in every boardroom in this city, is that he [Mr Crisafulli] has promised a new stadium. That's what the business community tells me and that's his only choice now," Mr Dick said this week.

"We know the truth — no Gabba, no QSAC — they've been ruled out. His only option is to spend $3 billion on a brand new stadium."

For the LNP to stick to a "no new venue" promise, this must surely lead back to the Gabba and all of its inherent problems.

A search for solutions

A backflip would be easier for any newly elected premier to defend with the imprimatur of a second expert review supporting Victoria Park.

Mr Quirk admits there are other possibilities — such as a riverside stadium at Hamilton floated in August, roughly guesstimated to cost $6 billion and proposed as a privately funded development — something already dismissed by the Miles government.

“Within our period of (review) time, Victoria Park was the only other option," Mr Quirk said.

"There are good transportation options at that site … Cross River Rail there as well as a few Brisbane Metro stations."

Add to that the likelihood of higher ticket revenue from a tier one stadium — both during and after the Olympics — and the fact that the Gabba could continue to run until then with minimal improvement, meaning no hefty compensation payments for cricket and AFL having to relocate.

"As we know, the Gabba is already losing opportunities with international cricket," Mr Quirk said.

"It's got very limited space in terms of AFL, the ticket sales for AFL could be much greater than the Gabba provides."

The Brisbane Lions had nine games sell out at the Gabba this year over the 13 matches played at the venue, including September's elimination final win against Carlton.

The club recorded the highest home attendance average for a season in 20 years, with crowds averaging 30,784 per game during the regular season. 

The state government forecasts the south-east Queensland population to grow by 2.2 million to nearly 6 million by 2046 — an average growth rate of 1.8 per cent a year.

But a recent SEQ Council of Mayors demographic report notes the region's population grew by 2.96 per cent in the year to June 30, 2023.

Opting for Victoria Park would allow an unimproved Gabba to be used as an Olympic venue then demolished afterwards — offering extra green space and housing options in a rapidly growing city.

The QSAC project validation report is due sometime after the October 26 election.

Mr Quirk doubts it will paint QSAC in a positive light. He suggested its eight-month gestation conveniently means an inconvenient truth is avoided before polling day.

He adds that he'd happily participate in another venue review if asked to do so.

"This is a once-in-100-year opportunity," he said.

"Olympic Games and Paralympic games don't come along every other day.

"It's going to be a lasting memory and it will have a lasting impact upon tourism and investment."

ABC News Australia

[AustralianFan]

Will a new Olympic Stadium evict the equestrian cross-country competiton from Victoria Park?

Is there enough space at Victoria Park for both a new Olympic Stadium and equestrian  cross-country? I’m guessing not.

Is the Queensland State Equestrian Centre at Moreton Bay nicely positioned to become the new 2032 Olympic and Paralympic home of the equestrian competitions?

These questions have to be asked if a new Crisafulli government moves the equestrian cross-country out so a new Victoria Park Olympic Stadium and associated infrastructure can be built there.

Should such an “eviction” happen, then the Showjumping and Dressage currently scheduled for the RNA Showgrounds would need to follow Eventing out  to Moreton Bay to meet the co-location requirement of equestrian events by the Federation Equestre Internationale.

BMX Racing can certainly remain in Victoria Park with a new Olympic Stadium.

[Gonzo]

Olympic Stadium Option #768

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Queensland has been urged to 'clone' a copy of Perth's Optus Stadium to save design and development costs

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/exwa-premier-says-brisbane-should-clone-acclaimed-perth-stadium-for-2032-olympics/news-story/ebad98568d10d81d930bdb760cdfe443?amp

[AustralianFan]

17 hours ago, Gonzo said:

Olympic Stadium Option #768

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/exwa-premier-says-brisbane-should-clone-acclaimed-perth-stadium-for-2032-olympics/news-story/ebad98568d10d81d930bdb760cdfe443?amp

Unfortunately that link is subscription article and a headline only.

Here is the full interview about cloning for Brisbane 2032 Perth’s Optus Stadium from another media outlet:

[Rob2012]

I don't quite understand this. The issues Brisbane face are location and cost. The former has nothing to do with whether you're going to copy another stadium (in fact it might make the issue trickier if you have less flexibility over your design), and the latter is not going to be impacted enormously as the vast majority of the cost of a new stadium comes in the build phase, not the design phase.

OK, so it might save a few million in design fees, but we're talking a multi-billion dollar project here. Get serious guys. If Optus is ideal for what you need, no harm in copying (maybe tweak the roof and cladding a bit to make it look different), but I don't see how it's a solution to the issues Brisbane currently has with its 2032 stadium.

Edited October 1 by Rob2012