Brisbane 2032 Venues/Stadiums Thread

[TorchbearerSydney]

Q: their long electric tram-like vehicles

That's called a bus.  Perhaps a glorified bus.

[FYI]

2 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

Transport really is their main build moreso than venues. But that’s also a very useful legacy spend that doesn’t even need to come within an Olympic budget. Any decent growing city, like Brisbane, should be striving to improve its transport links.

Just yesterday Sydney inaugurated a new metro line, one of its most significant transport upgrades in decades. Transit improvements are ongoing needs, games or not, and if an Olympics speeds them up, good.

And that's fine. No argument there. Cities needs to improve with time. It just seems, though, that Brisbane has put the cart before the horse. I still think that Brisbane should've easily waited another decade (there was a video I posted a few months ago in one of the Brisbane threads where someone there talked about that very point). Or Melbourne should be hosting 2032, then the next time around it could've been Brisbane.

5 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

Out of your list, I could see Minneapolis and Orlando as both possibles with the right local political will that I’d have few quibbles with. 

Minneapolis would be better suited than Orlando. Orlando, probably much like Brisbane, would require a much more regional effort. But either way, the Olympics would be quite a stretch for either city. 

Besides the big three in the U.S. NYC, Chicago & L.A., it probably comes down to Dallas, Houston, Philadelphia or maybe even Atlanta again. Maybe Phoenix, that's a rather large area now, almost the size of Atlanta metro these days. Boston would've been nice to, better alternative than L.A. Just too bad that they didn't want it in the end.

[FYI]

1 minute ago, FYI said:

it probably comes down to Dallas, Houston, Philadelphia or maybe even Atlanta again. Maybe Phoenix, that's a rather large area now, almost the size of Atlanta metro these days. Boston would've been nice to, better alternative than L.A. Just too bad that they didn't want it in the end.

Oh, one thing about most of these cities now (with the exception of Boston & Philly), they'd more than likely have to host outside the July/Aug. hosting window & into the fall, since most of those cities are HOT(lanta) as hell now in the summer months here.

[Sir Rols]

2 minutes ago, FYI said:

I still think that Brisbane should've easily waited another decade (there was a video I posted a few months ago in one of the Brisbane threads where someone there talked about that very point). Or Melbourne should be hosting 2032, then the next time around it could've been Brisbane.

I can agree with you there. I’d have been happier myself if it had waited another 12-20 years. Pu a bit more distance with Australia’s last hosting, and likely would have solved its stadium issues without the games turning it into a political balls-up.

5 minutes ago, FYI said:

Besides the big three in the U.S. NYC, Chicago & L.A., it probably comes down to Dallas, Houston, Philadelphia or maybe even Atlanta again. Maybe Phoenix, that's a rather large area now, almost the size of Atlanta metro these days. Boston would've been nice to, better alternative than L.A. Just too bad that they didn't want it in the end.

All of those would be cool too.

[Sir Rols]

4 minutes ago, FYI said:

Oh, one thing about most of these cities now (with the exception of Boston & Philly), they'd more than likely have to host outside the July/Aug. hosting window & into the fall, since most of those cities are HOT(lanta) as hell now in the summer months here.

Yes, we’ll see about hat one, won’t we?

If the IOC do shift by 2036, as Aussie Kiwi I think said once, it’d sure be a spit in the eye of Melbourne.  

[FYI]

6 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

I can agree with you there. I’d have been happier myself if it had waited another 12-20 years. Pu a bit more distance with Australia’s last hosting, and likely would have solved its stadium issues without the games turning it into a political balls-up.

Yes, exactly. I still think 32 years between hostings, for a smallish nation like Australia, relatively speaking, is 'too soon'. People still bemoan for the U.S. hosting too much, but the U.S. is still 10x's the population. 

5 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

If the IOC do shift by 2036, as Aussie Kiwi I think said once, it’d sure be a spit in the eye of Melbourne.  

And I would very much have to agree with him, that it would be.

[AustralianFan]

2 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

Transport really is their main build moreso than venues. But that’s also a very useful legacy spend that doesn’t even need to come within an Olympic budget. Any decent growing city, like Brisbane, should be striving to improve its transport links.

Just yesterday Sydney inaugurated a new metro line, one of its most significant transport upgrades in decades. Transit improvements are ongoing needs, games or not, and if an Olympics speeds them up, good.

 

Brisbane’s new underground in advanced stages of construction: Cross River Rail Progress Report.

Cross River Rail line is in a highly advanced stage as is the Brisbane Metro network of long light rail style vehicles on rubber wheels.

 

 

[AustralianFan]

30 minutes ago, TorchbearerSydney said:

Q: their long electric tram-like vehicles

That's called a bus.  Perhaps a glorified bus.

Yes they’re hard to give a title to because they look like a tram but operate like a bus.

They’ll be turn up and go and parts of their network will operate on dedicated busways and at other times on roads.  I understand that one of these Metro routes will link the Redlands Whitewater Venue well to the north of the Brisbane CBD.

Brisbane Metro - Hess 

 

[sebastien1214]

23 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

Yes they’re hard to give a title to because they look like a tram but operate like a bus.

They’ll be turn up and go and parts of their network will operate on dedicated busways and at other times on roads.  I understand that one of these Metro routes will link the Redlands Whitewater Venue well to the north of the Brisbane CBD.

Brisbane Metro - Hess 

 

BRT (Bus rapid transit). It has less capacity than a tram. It's useful for cities of 100-200k inhabitants which are still a little too small to have a tram, but for cities the size of Brisbane it's ridiculous. You need a real metro, or at least build a large tram network, but certainly not BRT which makes no sense for a city like Brisbane and which would ultimately be a waste of money because at the end it is obvious that the need to transform this BRT into a tramway will appear.

[TorchbearerSydney]

Exactly- no great city, and especially a city the size of Brisbane (and its near future at 4-5-6 million) uses a 'bus' network as its transport backbone.

[AustralianFan]

1 hour ago, sebastien1214 said:

BRT (Bus rapid transit). It has less capacity than a tram. It's useful for cities of 100-200k inhabitants which are still a little too sm

That’s completely incorrect. In event mode, the long Brisbane Metro electric vehicles have a capacity of 150-170,  just like many trams around the world.

Brisbane’s mass public transportation network is currently made up of a combination of a suburban rail network, an extensive suburban bus network and soon to be added is the additional underground Cross River Rail line and the station introduction of the Brisbane Metro long tram-line electric buses.

Come Games-time in 2032, a massive Olympic Transport Network will be enacted and including a huge fleet of buses and coaches drafted in from around Queensland and interstate including NSW and Victoria, as occurred at Sydney 2000.

[AustralianFan]

1 hour ago, TorchbearerSydney said:

Exactly- no great city, and especially a city the size of Brisbane (and its near future at 4-5-6 million) uses a 'bus' network as its transport backbone.

As just mentioned, Brisbane’s mass public transportation network is currently made up of a combination of a suburban rail network, an extensive suburban bus network and soon to be added is the additional underground Cross River Rail line and the station introduction of the Brisbane Metro long tram-line electric buses.

Come Games-time in 2032, a massive Olympic Transport Network will be enacted and including a huge fleet of buses and coaches drafted in from around Queensland and interstate including NSW and Victoria, as occurred at Sydney 2000.

Brisbane 2032 is not Sydney 2000 but in 8 years time it will make it’s Olympic Transport Network work.

[sebastien1214]

18 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

That’s completely incorrect. In event mode, the long Brisbane Metro electric vehicles have a capacity of 150-170,  just like many trams around the world.

Brisbane’s mass public transportation network is currently made up of a combination of a suburban rail network, an extensive suburban bus network and soon to be added is the additional underground Cross River Rail line and the station introduction of the Brisbane Metro long tram-line electric buses.

Come Games-time in 2032, a massive Olympic Transport Network will be enacted and including a huge fleet of buses and coaches drafted in from around Queensland and interstate including NSW and Victoria, as occurred at Sydney 2000.

Alstom's trams (the world's number 1 tram company) have a capacity of 200-220 people per tram. So more than a BRT. And the infrastructure of a tram allows more trains per hour to be put into circulation than a BRT. Which means that in terms of people/hour, the tram has more capacity than a BRT. I know an urban train network like what you have: it's like the RER in Paris, like the S-Bahn in Germany... It does indeed transport a significant number of passengers, but it must systematically be combined with a high-capacity fine service network (tram/metro) to be truly efficient. Because urban trains are like motorways, except that motorways don't come directly into your garden, you still have to take a road between the motorway exit and your garden.

[AustralianFan]

 

On 5/10/2024 at 4:05 PM, TorchbearerSydney said:

Brisbane doesn't even know where it is going to host swimming

@TorchbearerSydney actually that’s incorrect.

Brisbane Arena has been the 2032 swimming, paralympic swimming and water polo finals venue from day 1, so not sure why you think that.

The only change to Brisbane Arena has been it’s location which was announced a few months back to be shifting to the Roma Street Parklands.

The Australian Government is fully funding the $2.5 billion cost of construction of this much needed 15,000 capacity multi-purpose indoor concert/events venue and from which the Olympics will benefit.

Just like Paris 2024 and LA 2028, temporary drop-in pools will be installed ahead of the Brisbane 2032 Games.

Current status:  a Joint Business Case with the Australian Government is currently underway for Brisbane Arena.  When this is completed, expect to hear further news around construction contracts.

 

 

[TorchbearerSydney]

The only change to Brisbane Arena has been it’s location which was announced a few months back to be shifting to the Roma Street Parklands.

 

I will believe it when it is designed, built and swimming is allocated there.

There are proposals flying all over the place a the moment- many involving the indoor arena.

[AustralianFan]

2 hours ago, TorchbearerSydney said:

The only change to Brisbane Arena has been it’s location which was announced a few months back to be shifting to the Roma Street Parklands.

 

I will believe it when it is designed, built and swimming is allocated there.

There are proposals flying all over the place a the moment- many involving the indoor arena.

Swimming is allocated to Brisbane Arena and has never shifted from there since before Brisbane was elected, as can be seen on the offical Games website.

Q2032 - Brisbane Arena

There was a bit of outside media hype and speculation after seeing Paris 2024’s huge La Defense Arena used for swimming and also LA 2028 switching to the huge Sofitel Stadium.  But as said, that was all media huff and bluff.

At this point in time, the Brisbane 2032 Organising Committee officially have Brisbane Arena as the swimming venue.   They have to stick with Brisbane Arena because they have a funding agreement with the Australian Government who are going to pay 100% of the $2.5 billion cost. 

Recently in August, @Victorian posted the report of the Queensland Premier released a render design of Brisbane Arena showing a garden topped roof in Roma Street Parklands.

”Unveiling his vision for a key 2032 Olympic Games venue, Queensland Premier Steven Miles hopes to channel the buzz from Paris in Brisbane Arena.

“Swimming at the Brisbane Olympics will lift the thick vegetated roof off a new $2.5bn arena designed to fold into an inner city parkland.”

[Sir Rols]

Plenty of time to change their minds. So Fi only this year took on swimming. Nothing is ‘locked in‘. Plenty of other alternatives that could bring the Brisbane Arena if Suncorp proves far too tempting and logical for Oz.

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[yoshi]

Having seen pictures of Suncorp, and knowing both how popular swimming would be at an Australian Olympics & also knowing Brisbane's tendency for thunderstorms & heavy rain, I'd have thought a roof on the stadium for its permanent rugby use & putting swimming in there for the Olympics would be a good investment - as long as there's the money because it would depend on Victoria Park (or similar) being built. After how La Defence came across during Paris & LA confirming SoFi, I find it hard to imagine swimming going back to standard pools, especially in countries where the sport is popular & successful. 

Edited August 26 by yoshi

[AustralianFan]

53 minutes ago, yoshi said:

Having seen pictures of Suncorp, and knowing both how popular swimming would be at an Australian Olympics & also knowing Brisbane's tendency for thunderstorms & heavy rain, I'd have thought a roof on the stadium for its permanent rugby use & putting swimming in there for the Olympics would be a good investment - as long as there's the money because it would depend on Victoria Park (or similar) being built. After how La Defence came across during Paris & LA confirming SoFi, I find it hard to imagine swimming going back to standard pools, especially in countries where the sport is popular & successful. 

Yes I agree that a roof would need to go on the larger Suncorp Stadium for swimming if such a switch was made, given that it is winter in sub-tropical Brisbane.  Not sure though if the planned Suncorp Stadium upgrade funding involves a roof orcwho would fund such an investment.

[Victorian]

Barlow Park updated artist impressions revealed today

 

[Brekkie Boy]

On 8/19/2024 at 8:27 PM, AustralianFan said:

“And so with two weeks still to run on his independent review that he had promised to listen to, he instead decided to forge ahead with the Nathan option. It was an idea proposed by the Australian who orchestrated Brisbane’s successful bid for the Games, the International Olympics Committee vice-president John Coates.”

“Mr Coates thought it was the best chance to win back community support for the Games, because it would be cheaper. The opening and closing ceremonies, he said, could be held at Suncorp Stadium.”

“But Premier Miles and Mr Coates have misread the room.”

What a surprise Mr Coates is behind this terrible idea.   

[FYI]

That's actually old news, though, that's been known since that report came out earlier this year. He was always at the helm of all of this anyway.

[TorchbearerSydney]

Barlow Park - what a crappy little venue.

[AustralianFan]

1 hour ago, TorchbearerSydney said:

Barlow Park - what a crappy little venue.

This venue will host football preliminaries and these early renders do not show the temporary grandstands that will be required at games time.

Stadium capacity at games time will be 20,000.  Of this, 15,000 seats will be temporary.

Q2032: Cairns Barlow Park Upgrades

[TorchbearerSydney]

So a crappy venue with temporary stands, and a paltry 20,000 capacity.

Brisbane is shaping up to be the worst Games of the modern era.