Brisbane 2032 Venues/Stadiums Thread

[AustralianFan]

3 hours ago, Brekkie Boy said:

Appreciate that @AustralianFan - gives me a bit more confidence but whilst the stadium issue dominates the headlines they'll always be doubt.   The Olympics should be the biggest stage athletes compete on, so think at least a 60k stadia is required.   At the moment the plan is for a venue a third of the size of the Sydney stadium.

I agree. I’m hoping this for the legacy sports of AFL and Cricket too

[Victorian]

 

[Gonzo]

AB has spoken

It's over

https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/its-sad-aussie-cricket-legend-allan-borders-big-call-on-future-of-future-of-gabba/news-story/bfcbcf9b0d326c88cb856abb06d67d84

[Victorian]

1 hour ago, Gonzo said:

AB has spoken

It's over

https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/its-sad-aussie-cricket-legend-allan-borders-big-call-on-future-of-future-of-gabba/news-story/bfcbcf9b0d326c88cb856abb06d67d84

Every pundit, former athlete, commentator, reporter is all in agreement that Brisbane needs a new stadium. It appears that Miles and Coates are the only two that think QSAC will do.

[Rob2012]

It's becoming funnier and funnier that the IOC alighted (cough cough) on one of the very few cities in the world that needs a brand new oval stadium, for their first 'new norm' Games where they want demonstrate so dogmatically that no new stadiums should be built.

But we want a new stadium!
No, fvck off!

Amazing. Truly, amazing.

 

Edited August 16 by Rob2012

[yoshi]

Having just had two cities, in Paris and LA, who actually can manage to host an Olympics with no (or very few) new permanent builds. Under the old system. And to top it off, the country they're going to for the no-build Games happens to be home to not one, but two (!) of the other cities that could do it. But the city they're going to is...a completely different one.

On a serious note, I'm still completely baffled by how Brisbane's having so much trouble. You're a big, thriving, ambitious city. You love sport, especially two sports that need a circular field that together occupy the whole year. You need a new stadium for them by the early 30s no matter what happens. You're hosting the Olympics in... the early 30s. It should be one of the most justified new-build Olympic stadiums in history. We've often heard of cities struggling with their Olympic stadium plans because of concerns about the legacy, this one's struggling with its legacy stadium plans because of concerns about the Olympics. It could be a Monty Python sketch if it wasn't serious 

[Safrican2]

Local politics is playing a major role in this debacle. The incumbent Queensland Labour government is up for reelection later this year and looks set to lose. They are trying to hold onto as many seats as possible. In the inner city seats they are being challenged by the third party Greens, which just happens to be anti-development and anti-sport in general. It’s all about avoiding a protest vote.

Come October, regardless of the outcome of the election (unless the Greens are somehow in a coalition), I suspect that there will be some positive movement on the stadium issue.

[AustralianFan]

Stunning News coming out of Brisbane

Must posted on SSC by asdfg,  is this breaking story of a consortium of internationally recognised architects called The Brisbane Alliance are suggesting an Olympic precinct with an estimated cost of $6 bn.

“They are saying that the State Government would need to offer 150 hectares of land at Kingsford Smith Drive to make the project possible, and as Gerry says it would otherwise be privately funded.”

So this story appeared in today’s The Courier Mail - 17 August 2024 with concept images of a new stadium and precinct and comes with a Youtube video, all of which are re-posted below.

If the stadium is not an election issue before, it certainly is now.

excerpts from the The Courier Mail - 17 August 2024

 

 

[AustralianFan]

Brisbane Design Alliance - New Stadium and Olympic Precinct

So following on from this gob-smacking plan in the previous post  is this Youtube video from the Brisbane Design Alliance:

 

[AustralianFan]

16 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

Stunning News coming out of Brisbane

Must posted on SSC by asdfg,  is this breaking story of a consortium of internationally recognised architects called The Brisbane Alliance are suggesting an Olympic precinct with an estimated cost of $6 bn.

“They are saying that the State Government would need to offer 150 hectares of land at Kingsford Smith Drive to make the project possible, and as Gerry says it would otherwise be privately funded.”

So this story appeared in today’s The Courier Mail - 17 August 2024 with concept images of a new stadium and precinct and comes with a Youtube video, all of which are re-posted below.

If the stadium is not an election issue before, it certainly is now.

excerpts from the The Courier Mail - 17 August 2024

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

Brisbane Design Alliance - New Stadium and Olympic Precinct

So following on from this gob-smacking plan in the previous post  is this Youtube video from the Brisbane Design Alliance:

 

Key takeaways from this story is:

• its a private consortium behind this
• 60,000 seat stadium over the water
• Olympic precinct and Athletes Village incorporated
• requires the Queensland State Government to offer 150 hectares of land at Kingsford Smith Drive to make the project possible and fund new transport infrastructure to this Olympic precinct.

The IOC might spill their coffee reading this story … maybe faint.   So might the Queensland Government for that matter.

[AustralianFan]

@venuedesignlover @Victorian

[venuedesignlover]

One of the most unexpected twists in this saga.
The ideal situation, in my opinion, that is great for legacy and great for the strategic needs of the local community, is the proposed Gabba Rebuild. If the rebuild is done at a slightly lower price, so be it. But rebuilding the Gabba would be not only sustainable for not building an entirely new stadium and a great legacy for Brisbane.

I’m not going to lie, if a Gabba rebuild doesn’t happen, this is the next best thing. The whole premise of a superhero group of architects coming to save Brisbane is a little bit bizarre, but if they’re up to the task, so be it. Queensland and Brisbane gov just needs to keep a tight leash on the developers to make sure original plans and quality are kept. I think this new stadium would be great for legacy and for really putting Brisbane on a new stage for the Olympics. We definitely need something other than QSAC, so ANY move away from QSAC, I’ll support. With this stadium, it feels like we’re really taking advantage of the opportunity we got with the Olympics not only for legacy, but generally for building a world class venue.

[venuedesignlover]

Just to add on, it does feel like a private developer is pitching in just so they can gain more profit from this. It looks like the Brisbane Design Alliance wants to develop the land with much more than the stadium, and there’s probably a lot of money to be made for a couple of private developers. Cannot say I’m opposed still, Brisbane needs a new stadium, though a Gabba rebuild would probably be less of a white elephant than this development

[AustralianFan]

Nine News is now reporting on this massive private consortium proposal.

How hard will it be for both the Labor and LNP Parties not to comment on this and risk dragging this into the State Election campaign and turning it into a stadium referendum ?

$6 billion Brisbane 2032 Proposal

 

 

[AustralianFan]

2 hours ago, venuedesignlover said:

Just to add on, it does feel like a private developer is pitching in just so they can gain more profit from this. It looks like the Brisbane Design Alliance wants to develop the land with much more than the stadium, and there’s probably a lot of money to be made for a couple of private developers. Cannot say I’m opposed still, Brisbane needs a new stadium, though a Gabba rebuild would probably be less of a white elephant than this development

Yes there is a lot to be gained by this private consortium and no doubt the newly formed Brisbane Games Venue and Legacy Delivery Authority will no doubt have their work cut out for them assessing this massive development proposal.

[BigVic]

A 60,000 seat stadium will still be smaller than the National Stadium in Tokyo as well as the Stade De France which just hosted the recent Paris Olympics and the LA Memorial Coliseum making it the smallest Olympic Stadium since Barcelona's Olympic Stadium which seats just under 59,000 

[Sir Rols]

I know it’s just a render, and the pics aren’t sharp so it’s unclear whether those are pedestrian walkways or motorways circling it, but iI think it looks quite horrendous IMO. 

I really hope a private proposal gets up, but this particular one looks more like a private developer’s wet dream than something you’d want to show off. 

[Rob2012]

Anyone can make stunning renders. Who are these people, where is the funding coming from*, can this be designed and pushed through planning superfast and built in time for the Games (nevermind the test events), I'm reading on SSC that a new metro line would be needed so we're talking 7 years to design and build that from where we are (which is blue skying from some architects who claim to have financial backers). That would be stunningly fast timeline to design and build a metro line.

This is a huge project to be considering at this point. I'd worry less about what the renders look like - it won't look like that if this happens, and more about if this is real. Because realistically you've only got months to assess this and greenlight it if it is a goer. And everything, and I mean everything, will need to run smoothly to get it done in time.

Looking back at London, I know we built an Olympic Park in the seven years between winning the bid and the Games. But in truth, that was a regeneration area already. The metro tunnels were already dug and well under construction (our bid team drove the IOC evaluation team through them in a cavalcade of 4x4s). And public money made most of it happen.

It's worrying Brisbane supporters are suddenly pinning its hopes on something we never even heard about until today, especially given how secretive it all seems to be with regard to financing.

If it happens, superb, but out of the blue we have these unnamed private developers willing to build a new stadium and all at no cost to the taxpayer?! Sounds a bit too good to be true.

* I've seen enough football fans for e.g. get excited about out of the blue consortia coming in, who claim to have unnamed global funds backing them, only for everything to fizzle out.

Edited August 17 by Rob2012

[yoshi]

Well it's interesting! Presumably it saves that park, & would enable the demolition of the Gabba. I'd have thought 70k like the last proposal would fit better both for the Olympics & Brisbane as the third city in Australia, that's growing fast though. Don't mind the design from the outside (they're pedestrian walkways surely), the inside is a bit blocky. I assume the tower blocks would be the Village?

(Anyone have those Courier Mail articles put through that archive site?)

Edit: @Rob2012 yeah it is getting closer. But if there was the bid process there should've been, it'd still be about a year from announcement. But as you say transport matters. I don't know Brisbane but I do know that Stratford was already a very important hub in London long before 2005...

Double edit: hold on is this actually in the river?! That'll add complications they really couldn't do with. Also flood risks. Brisbane is pretty well known for its floods, even this far away 

Edited August 17 by yoshi

[Rob2012]

I assumed when we were talking in recent weeks about private funding, we were talking private funding for a new stadium only, and in an already connected location (perhaps even a Gabba rebuild). I didn't think we were talking private funding for an as yet unheard of 'Olympic precinct' that required huge land transfers, big new transport infrastructure builds etc.

Private funding for a standalone stadium seemed ideal and very doable. This feels...shaky, at least at this stage. We need to see much, much more and soon.

Here's the video from the consortium: all style and architect's catchphrases, and very little substance...

35 minutes ago, yoshi said:

But if there was the bid process there should've been, it'd still be about a year from announcement.

Not really the point I don't think. This is where London was in 2003. Very early renders of a large project on a site as yet to be decided upon that requires new transport links.

Edited August 17 by Rob2012

[Rob2012]

Someone who isn't a hopeless Brisbane-booster telling me I'm being too cynical would be welcome. I'd be more than happy to be persuaded.

[yoshi]

I wouldn't say I'm a Brisbane booster as such, I'm just a) really confused at how the stadium has given them so much trouble when if anything it should be easy, & b) now we know we have Brisbane, I hope it goes well because I don't want all the momentum the Olympics has got through Paris & will get through LA evaporate due to organising screw-ups leaving Brisbane with no transport & a showpiece venue that's a pile of scaffolding in a cemetery. I'm also a cricket fan, I know about the first day atmosphere at the Gabba & also that the Gabba is looking a bit tired now. So I want the best for them, while of course aware that it's nothing to do with me 

[sebastien1214]

I don't believe for a single second in the seriousness of the project, in the current state in which it is presented. Private developers who sell us dreams and who ultimately disappear, I have seen thousands of them.

So yes, there are renowned architects behind this project. But they are not architects who are going to come up with the billions of dollars needed. Who is supporting them? Which banks are behind them? Have they even begun to sketch out the simple beginnings of a solid financing plan? What does the government think of all this; because their agreement will be needed anyway since the architects are asking the government to "give" them land?

[Victorian]

 

Business leaders, sporting identities back proposed Olympic precinct

Two of the state’s top businessmen have joined leading sports stars in backing a bold plan for a privately-funded Olympic stadium on the Brisbane River as part of a $6bn mega precinct.

 

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Two of the state’s top businessmen have joined leading sports stars in backing a bold plan for a privately-funded Olympic stadium on the Brisbane River as part of a $6bn mega precinct.

Events king Harvey Lister and Howard Smith Wharves boss Luke Fraser have applauded the proposal for a new 60,000-seat waterfront stadium on the Northshore site between Hamilton and Eagle Farm.

Despite the groundswell of support the government, however, has confirmed it quietly started the tender process for QSAC last week.

Cricket legend Allan Border has also backed the concept, as has Paris Olympics gold medallist Lani Pallister and Olympian Steven Bradbury, who accused Premier Steven Miles of “sitting on his hands” on the Olympics stadium issue.

The plan was unveiled by the Brisbane Design Alliance, a consortium of top architects, including the firm behind world-class stadiums including the SoFi Stadium in Los Angeles – home of the LA Rams and LA Chargers NFL teams – and the AT & T Stadium in Texas where the Dallas Cowboys play.

The stadium would be the centrepiece of a precinct which would also boast a hotel, 2500 apartments initially used for the athletes’ village, an aquatic and wavepool centre, a retail and restaurant hub, and pedestrian walkways along the river.

The alliance claims the project could be privately-funded.

A similar model was used to build Perth’s Optus Stadium, with the government there contributing 60 per cent of the funds, while the remainder was paid for by the Westadium Consortium.

Mr Lister, whose company ASM Global manages more than 350 venues worldwide including Suncorp Stadium, the Brisbane Convention and Exhibition Centre and Boondall Entertainment Centre, said it was an exciting proposal.

“It’s a great example of a fantastic vision by architects,” he said. “The thing we keep hearing from people in South East Queensland is that they’re just worried they’re going to be embarrassed (by the 2032 Olympic venues).

“I’m sure that’s not the government’s intention at all and yes, they have to be responsible about funding, but I think the Northshore design shows that there is more than one solution and I think it should be part of the mix (when it comes to making final decisions about Olympic venues).”

Bradbury – who took out gold in the 1000m speed skating event at the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics – had high praise for the bold design, saying it looked like the greatest stadium to ever be built for an Olympic Games.

“There’s a lot of question marks over whether it can be privately owned and profitable,” he said.

“Whichever way you skin it, Brisbane’s got to get over it and build an amazing stadium whether that’s this or Victoria Park – it’s not going to be (QSAC) next to the Mount Gravatt cemetery.

But Bradbury said he doesn’t expect either side of politics to make tough Olympic decisions until after the October state election.

“Steven Miles is sitting on his hands, playing the cost-of-living crisis card, but that is completely separate from what’s expected of a host city,” he said.

“We’re talking about the biggest sporting event in the world here.”

Border – the former Australian cricket captain who has advocated for the Gabba to be knocked down and turned into housing and a new stadium built for cricket, AFL and the Olympics – said he was also a fan of the Northshore proposal.

“We want to do the Olympics right, don’t we?” he said.

“To do that, you’ve got to have decent facilities – you can’t just go in half-baked, you know, redo this and redo that. We’ve bid for the Olympics, we’ll look like idiots now if we don’t do it right.”

Border said the Northshore proposal “could be a great facility for a great Olympics”.

“It would be easy-in and easy-out – I love the Gabba, but it’s a hard place to get in and out of,” he said.

“You’d basically have to knock it down to rebuild it properly, so why not turn the area into housing we desperately need, build a new stadium and move all the sports there once it’s built? I just think it’s a no-brainer which would ultimately pay for itself.”

Mr Fraser said some of the world’s best stadiums were inner-city venues like Northshore – “close to restaurants, bars and cultural spaces that add to pre and post-game entertainment experiences”.

“Of course it’s important to balance the costs of a new stadium with other requirements of our city, but if we can achieve this and showcase the very best that Brisbane has to offer, this will solidify our position on the global map and leave a legacy for generations to come,” he said.

Pallister, who won gold in the 4x200m freestyle in Paris, said the French capital had shone during the Olympics with venues such as La Defense Arena.

“It was huge – I’d be so disappointed if I had to compete at Chandler during the Brisbane Olympics after experiencing La Defense Arena in Paris,” she said.

Pallister said while she appreciated taxpayer funds were tight, the government “really could miss an opportunity” with its controversial plan to spend $1.6bn upgrading the Queensland Sport and Athletics Venue at Mt Gravatt into what would be the smallest Olympic stadium in more than a century.

Speaking on Saturday, Miles government minister Di Farmer said the state wanted to own its Olympic stadium and had already issued tenders for QSAC upgrades and the Hamilton athletes’ village.

“We are already investing heavily in the Northshore area, we’ve already got dwellings there, we have already put out a proposal and tender for the athletes village,” she said.

“The government is always interested in private investment ... but I think that the die has been set. We want to move forward.”

Brisbane City Council Olympics and Paralympics civic cabinet chair Krista Adams said the Northshore plan was “big and eye-catching” and public transport for the Games would be critical.

The opposition has pledged a 100-day review of Olympics infrastructure plans if it wins the October election. HKS Australia Director Andrew Colling said he had received a lot of interest in the 24 hours since the proposal went public.

 

[Victorian]

Here are some images that haven't been seen in the thread above yet in cricket mode vs athletics mode then a birds eye view version.

 

Whilst I am a bit specticle of this plan, this is right what we need to happen and I would argue at the right time. What it has done is now thrown this right into the Election firepit. Both major parties will be asked over and over about their policy and we would get a clear understanding of where each party sits very soon. I suspect the LNP would be in favour of an Olympic Stadium with a model like this where private investors pay for the stadium with small government support.

I do think that while these images are just artist impressions, they look very AI generated and very futeristic in a similar way to the 2034 Saudi Arabia World Cup stadiums. I think things would be refined to look much more real if this set up is the way forward. I may be on the outer here but I still think Victoria Park is the best spot for the new stadium given it is on the city's doorstep however this Northcliffe option would be my second preference.