Brisbane 2032 Venues/Stadiums Thread

[Sir Rols]

12 hours ago, Rob2012 said:

On that point, I really get the impression Australian sports teams are the biggest skinflints out there. Here in the UK, teams mostly pay for their own stadiums, in the US teams put in a good chunk of the money alongside a good chunk of public money (often the threat of relocation lubricates this), in Australia it seems your teams want shiny new stadiums without paying much at all towards them.

Thank you Rob!

I’ve been saying as much for a while. It’s so true, the major codes here really do expect the public purse to finance their shiny new stadiums and stadium upgrades, and cry foul when anyone has the temerity to suggest they might contribute. One of the major complaints against the Gabba proposal was the AFL and the ACB having a tantrum that they were asked to contribute to upgrading their temporary digs while the Gabba was being refurbished. I totally agree that it’s ridiculous that our major codes expect to always get a free ride on the public purse.

And I’ve also said before that a public-private funding solution was an obvious solution to the Brisbane 2022 travails. It’s not like it doesn’t have precedent here - Sydney’s Stadium Australia was a public/private project. i guess we’ll have to see if this latest proposal gets anywhere, but I sure hope sense prevails and it does.

Interestingly, if it does happen, that could free up Suncorp, and maybe a drop in pool there for swimming might be indeed viable. A 35k+ plus Olympic swimming venue would go down well here. On the other hand, an outdoor swim competition might not be ideal for a summer Olympics in our mid-winter.

[Gonzo]

13 hours ago, Rob2012 said:

I really get the impression Australian sports teams are the biggest skinflints out there. Here in the UK, teams mostly pay for their own stadiums, in the US teams put in a good chunk of the money alongside a good chunk of public money

Difference being Australian sports teams (all AFL and all but a handful of NRL teams) are member owned not-for profit entities that don't have billionaire oil sheiks owning them

[Australian Kiwi]

22 hours ago, Gonzo said:

Difference being Australian sports teams (all AFL and all but a handful of NRL teams) are member owned not-for profit entities that don't have billionaire oil sheiks owning them

Bingo.

They don't sell their souls to the devil.

[Rob2012]

Fair enough, maybe I misunderstood the nature of Australian sports teams and it is more difficult. But on the other hand, you're also misunderstanding ours. The two or three sheikh/oligarch owned teams are those who have done least on stadium development because they haven't had to to rely on matchday revenue to win. They have their sugar-daddies.

It's well-supported teams with owners who generally don't put a lot of their own money in who have built the biggest new stadiums. This has been done by mortgaging the costs against future revenue (ticket, merchandising, sponsorship, broadcast). I don't know what the turnover of Australian teams is, but that seems like a model that should be transferable. And if the article AustraliaFan posted is true, perhaps that is what is at last being considered? We'll have to wait and see I guess...

Edited June 23, 2024 by Rob2012

[AustralianFan]

16 hours ago, Rob2012 said:

Fair enough, maybe I misunderstood the nature of Australian sports teams and it is more difficult. But on the other hand, you're also misunderstanding ours. The two or three sheikh/oligarch owned teams are those who have done least on stadium development because they haven't had to to rely on matchday revenue to win. They have their sugar-daddies.

It's well-supported teams with owners who generally don't put a lot of their own money in who have built the biggest new stadiums. This has been done by mortgaging the costs against future revenue (ticket, merchandising, sponsorship, broadcast). I don't know what the turnover of Australian teams is, but that seems like a model that should be transferable. And if the article AustraliaFan posted is true, perhaps that is what is at last being considered? We'll have to wait and see I guess...

If this Brisbane 2032 private/public stadium partnership comes to fruition should there is a change of Queensland government this October, it will be a first for Australia.   So these behind the scenes meetings reported by Brisbane radio journalist Peter Gleeson are to sound out the oppositon LNP who are on track to win government.

Perhaps, as you said, the model is transferrable to Australia but I can say that no single stadium in Australia, ie 40,000 capacity or more, has a single sport tenant where that sport and that team are the only ones who use the stadium.

What you’re talking about I think more are single sport teams becoming owners of their own stadium through private backing (?)

[Sir Rols]

1 hour ago, AustralianFan said:

If this Brisbane 2032 private/public stadium partnership comes to fruition should there is a change of Queensland government this October, it will be a first for Australia.  

No, Stadium Australia was built as a private/public partnership:

THE OLYMPIC STADIUM: INNOVATION IN PROJECT FINANCING

The financing of the development of Stadium Australia itself set a new milestone in the financing of ‘public’ facilities. The project was largely financed by the private sector, not by the Government and taxpayers.

 

 

[AustralianFan]

On 6/23/2024 at 8:18 PM, Rob2012 said:

Fair enough, maybe I misunderstood the nature of Australian sports teams and it is more difficult. But on the other hand, you're also misunderstanding ours. The two or three sheikh/oligarch owned teams are those who have done least on stadium development because they haven't had to to rely on matchday revenue to win. They have their sugar-daddies.

It's well-supported teams with owners who generally don't put a lot of their own money in who have built the biggest new stadiums. This has been done by mortgaging the costs against future revenue (ticket, merchandising, sponsorship, broadcast). I don't know what the turnover of Australian teams is, but that seems like a model that should be transferable. And if the article AustraliaFan posted is true, perhaps that is what is at last being considered? We'll have to wait and see I guess...

 

20 hours ago, Sir Rols said:

Stadium Australia was built as a private/public partnership:

The Olympic Stadium: Innovation in Project Financing

The financing of the development of Stadium Australia itself set a new milestone in the financing of ‘public’ facilities. The project was largely financed by the private sector, not by the Government and taxpayers.

Then one can only hope that given there is the Stadium Australia private/public funding precedent in this country that these reported behind-closed-door meetings between business figures and the LNP will lay the groundwork post-election in Queensland this October for such an arrangement to enable the birth of a new Brisbane 2032 Olympic/AFL/Cricket Stadium project.

[Victorian]

https://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/future-gold-coast/gold-coast-aquatic-centre-first-look-at-plans-to-put-roof-on-southport-complex/news-story/5913422ed1c09976c788d368bd0dfe90

[Victorian]

https://t.co/mQDu7bE7pf

[Victorian]

 

[FYI]

It just keeps getting better. One thing they're absolutely right about, though; the clock is ticking & no more time can continue to be wasted.

[BigVic]

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/102368/princes-park-and-the-56-olympics-part-1

Melbourne in 1956 had a stoush over the stadium before it was decided to use the MCG for the Ceremonies and track and field events.

An Olympic Stadium at Princes Park in Carlton was proposed then rejected with the capacity at 125,000 which is larger than the attendance at the 1970 VFL Grand Final. 

[Victorian]

2 hours ago, BigVic said:

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/102368/princes-park-and-the-56-olympics-part-1

Melbourne in 1956 had a stoush over the stadium before it was decided to use the MCG for the Ceremonies and track and field events.

An Olympic Stadium at Princes Park in Carlton was proposed then rejected with the capacity at 125,000 which is larger than the attendance at the 1970 VFL Grand Final. 

Like what could be the case with Brisbane, the decision to have the MCG as the main venue secured the legacy of the ground. Arguably, if the stadium in Carlton proceeded, that would have become Melbourne’s main stadium.

[Australian Kiwi]

5 hours ago, Victorian said:

Like what could be the case with Brisbane, the decision to have the MCG as the main venue secured the legacy of the ground. Arguably, if the stadium in Carlton proceeded, that would have become Melbourne’s main stadium.

No it wouldn't.

The MCC and its connection to international cricket and the VFL wouldn't have just packed up and gone away if Carlton FC had managed to convince organisers its home ground should be the main stadium in 1956. 

[Gonzo]

And there you have it folks, the 'get out of jail' card for an incoming government to build a new stadium after saying we won't pay for a new stadium. New stadium inevitable now imho

https://archive.md/GqIX6

[venuedesignlover]

Amazing news!!! Glad these Olympics won’t be Mr. Bach’s little experiment. I’m excited at the prospect of more legacy builds.

[BigVic]

One positive of Brisbane 2032 is no Fencing 1976 

[Victorian]

On 7/21/2024 at 12:33 AM, BigVic said:

One positive of Brisbane 2032 is no Fencing 1976 

Instead Athletics 1980/1984

[yoshi]

I wouldn't put money on that. Tom's copy of "Constitutions for Dummies" by V. Putin & D. Medvedev is very well-used... 

Edited July 22, 2024 by yoshi

[StefanMUC]

3 hours ago, Victorian said:

Instead Athletics 1980/1984

Swimming 2004/2008 seems a more likely option to me. Fully in line with F76, female, African (but not too unsettlingly different for white boomers)…

[BigVic]

Or It could be the son of Samaranch. Full circle with the "Best Olympic Games Ever" and Brisbane 2032 being fronted by a Samaranch 

[Sir Rols]

From SkyscraperCity

First look at Brisbane’s no-frills Olympic stadium

The first image of Brisbane’s planned Olympic stadium – the smallest since Amsterdam 1928 – can now be revealed.

The photocopied image of the Queensland Sports and Athletics Centre, obtained by this masthead through the Right to Information Act, shows a single permanent covered grandstand, with most of the crowd exposed to the elements in uncovered temporary seating.

Unusually for a summer Olympics, Brisbane 2032 will be held in the middle of winter.

The no-frills QSAC Olympic stadium, designed by architecture firm Populous, would hold just 40,000 spectators and be downsized to 14,000 after the Games. Populous also designed the Suncorp Stadium rebuild in the early 2000s.

Read more: https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/na...o-frills-olympic-stadium-20240711-p5jsvt.html

 

 

Edited July 22, 2024 by Sir Rols

[FYI]

So is that suppose to be after all the refurbishments?

[Sir Rols]

Apparently so.

Yeah, it’s an unfortunate pic/render seeing as it’s black and white and photocopied - really emphasises the Amsterdam 1928 vibes.

I’ve still got no problem with athletics in a smaller venue. Yeah, I know for a lot of people that’s heresy - but so was not having a cauldron high and in view of everyone (from Vancouver and London onwards), not having the OC in the athletics stadium (Rio) and not having a stadium OC at all (Paris). I just think it’s the inevitable we have to accept if we want new or a bigger pol of hosts - dual-use athletics/fotball stadiums are just not widely viable these days.

it’s just ridiculous if Brisbane hosts and Olympics, and can’t get a decent legacy venue for cricket/AFL going forward beyond a bit of ad-hoc temporary tinkering. What a waste of an opportunity.

[FYI]

17 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

Apparently so.

Yeah, it’s an unfortunate pic/render seeing as it’s black and white and photocopied - really emphasises the Amsterdam 1928 vibes.

it’s just ridiculous if Brisbane hosts and Olympics, and can’t get a decent legacy venue for cricket/AFL going forward beyond a bit of ad-hoc temporary tinkering. What a waste of an opportunity.

Maybe that was the point, to try & get some people to finally wake up for another, better-suited option in their case.