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On 1/5/2023 at 9:39 PM, AustralianFan said:

No-one said New Norm is perfect.    No-one ever.

But its a lot better, more flexible and less costly than the rigid, costly old bidding system and for the Summer Games has reignited widespread interestin hosting them from multiple interested parties, including 10 candidates with whom the IOCis currently in continuous dialogue with.

As far as the Winter Games, we could be going through a transformative period with this idea of a rotating period of winter hosts in a warming clinate.   Today’s announcement about a possible three-way effort to jointly stage the 2030 Games by Switzerland, France and Italy might also become part of this new push.

We wait and see.

LOL its already been scuttled . Bach needs to go. 

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1 hour ago, Australian Kiwi said:

LOL its already been scuttled . Bach needs to go. 

What the ?
In your dreams.

The New Norm host selection system has not been scuttled.   Where on earth did you pull that one from?

Bach is stepping down in 2025 at the natural end of his tenure, but not before he ushers in the new climate readiness rules, the new permanent rotating hosting pool and thedouble awarding of the 2030 and 2034 Olympic Winter Games 

Before then, I would expect the New Norm dialogue process will be used to screen candidatures hoping to be included in the permanent rotating hosting pool should that pool idea be adopted.

Further, once a candidature has been approved or elected to be in the permanent rotating pool, then I would expect that the New Norm dialogue process would proceed exactly as it does now to determine and elevate to Targeted Dialogue the likely next Host from the pool, checking and assessing things like:

  • government financial guarantees,
  • public support,
  • availability of sporting infrastructure,
  • hosting dates of the games
  • climate readiness - temperatures at snow venues,
  •  minimal new venues,
  • environmental impact,
  • human rights,
  • mass people movement infrastructure,
  •  athletes village,
  • spectator accommodation, capacity and facilities, etc, etc. 

Don’t be fooled into thinking that once you’re in the pool, its just a matter of drawing up a roster of Winter Olympics/Parapympics Hosts for the rest of the century. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I would expect the Continuous Dialogue process, as it is now, will be used to determine and elevate a candidature from the pool to Targeted Dialogue and then on to a Host Vote at the next IOC Session.

We wait for further announcements from the IOC, but that’s how I expect New Norm will continue to be used within the hosting pool framework.

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1 hour ago, Australian Kiwi said:

You mean the Best Games Ever selected under the "old broken costly inflexible bidding system"?

"In the middle of the pandemic, the IOC moved in to lock in Brisbane for 2032." Yes, they did. And it was a shady move. Whether you like it or not they got the Games under a cloak of darkness and this will forever be a mark on Brisbane's 2032 legacy. Brisbane's allocation will never match the sheer magic of that night in 1993. Many Australians are completely unaware the Olympics are coming back to Australia. In the 1990s it was huge news.

Brisbane 2032 is happy.   It got the Games.

You’re seriously under-estimating sports mad Australia with naive, silly, negative statements such as  “most Australians are completely unaware the Olympics are coming back to Australia.”

What a crock of nonsense you write by saying that.  Did you do your own poll of Australians, or did just make that up? You actually sound oddly a bit bitter and twisted with these comments, but I can’t pinpoint it, so only guessing.

Following on from Melbourne 1956 and Sydney 2000,  Brisbane 2032 will deliver an another outstanding incredible Games in Australia when it welcomes the world in 9.5 years time.

 


 

 

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2 hours ago, Australian Kiwi said:

LOL its already been scuttled . Bach needs to go. 

A pivotal time for the Winter Olympic Games

Consider how the next 12-24 months or so will pan out after last month’s three media conferences on each day of the IOC EB Meeting.

There look to be big changes coming in the Olympic Movement around how the Winter Games are awarded under new rules which are in turn under the New Norm framework rules:

  • a new previous 10-year minimum average temperature rule to be below freezing at snow venues,
  • a new rotating pool of permanent hosts,
  • a renewed interest in joint bids across international borders than allowed under the old rigid bidding system.

We saw a quick “No” from Chamoix this week, but that does not mean that we won’t see a re-jigged international bid from these players or brand new combinations emerge in the coming 12 months or so.

There is now the extra time and flexibility between now and 2025 when the postponed Host Election for the 2030 Olympic Winter Games is most likely to take place.

What I would give to see now in a crystal ball who the candidates end up being at that unique double awarding election for the 2030 and 2034 Games, immediately before Bach steps down at the end of his tenure as IOC President in 2025.

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On 1/5/2023 at 4:59 PM, Sir Rols said:

 

I have characterised your conduct in a discussion as akin to that of a religious zealot defending their holy texts. I think the comparison is apt.

 

 

Bang on. Jihad was apt - so would be a comparison with the thinking of a member of the Nazi Youth or a far left or right radical. Australian Fan does have a fanatical fixation with defending the IOC's new directions and drowning out any other opinion. 

People, whether Members of Parliament or members of the public, are encouraged to report possible Fixated Persons to their local police station, 131 444 or anonymously through Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

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4 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

 

A pivotal time for the Winter Olympic Games

Consider how the next 12-24 months or so will pan out after last month’s three media conferences on each day of the IOC EB Meeting.

There look to be big changes coming in the Olympic Movement around how the Winter Games are awarded under new rules which are in turn under the New Norm framework rules:

  • a new previous 10-year minimum average temperature rule to be below freezing at snow venues,
  • a new rotating pool of permanent hosts,
  • a renewed interest in joint bids across international borders than allowed under the old rigid bidding system.

We saw a quick “No” from Chamoix this week, but that does not mean that we won’t see a re-jigged international bid from these players or brand new combinations emerge in the coming 12 months or so.

There is now the extra time and flexibility between now and 2025 when the postponed Host Election for the 2030 Olympic Winter Games is most likely to take place.

What I would give to see now in a crystal ball who the candidates end up being at that unique double awarding election for the 2030 and 2034 Games, immediately before Bach steps down at the end of his tenure as IOC President in 2025.

While not officially announced, I expect that the IOC will consider and ratify the introduction of a permanent rotating pool of Winter Olympic/Paralympic hosts in the next 12-24 months or so, ie some time in 2023, 2024 or so.

Either that, or it will announce a timeline for further consideration and/or formal adoption.

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12 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

While not officially announced, I expect that the IOC will consider and ratify the introduction of a permanent rotating pool of Winter Olympic/Paralympic hosts in the next 12-24 months or so, ie some time in 2023, 2024 or so.

Either that, or it will announce a timeline for further consideration and/or formal adoption.

The IOC’s Huge “To Do” List

While the IOC has got lots of staff and resources, it’s going to be a massive challenge to consider and formally introduce a permanent rotating hosting pool with all the bells and whistles in the time between now and 2025.

Not saying it can’t be done, but if they pull this off, the IOC will be firing on all cylinders to get this done and a double awarding of 2030 and 2034 Olympic Winter Hosts and climate ready rules.

With Bach’s upcoming end of term as IOC President, will this be something like the timeline? (only guessing and based on his comments to the media in Dec 2022):  

Suggested timeline:

2023

  • IOC considers, approves and announces new hosting rules for the Olympic Winter Games including the climate-ready rules and the permanent rotating hosting pool framework, guidelines, procedures and timelines

2024

  • IOC announces elevation of specific Hosts to Targeted Dialogue for each of the 2030 and 2034 Olympic Winter Games 

2025    

  • Future Host Commission recommends to IOC Executive Board specific candidatures for approval
  • IOC EB considers these, approves and announces which Hosts will be put to a Host Election at the next IOC Session
  • Host Elections and double awarding of the 2030 and 2034 Olympic Winter Games
  • The 2030 Host/s will likely have hosted previously with most infrastructure in place, will meet the climate rule and will have 5 years to prepare for the Games.
  • Bach steps down as IOC President and new IOC President announced
  • With 2030 and 2034 awarded, the new IOC President can focus on a sussing out a 2036 Host for the Summer Games.
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On 1/5/2023 at 1:50 PM, AustralianFan said:

Jihad ??

Seriously Rols ??

You’re meant to be a Moderator on Gamesbids.com and setting an example.

You should be using moderate language.

Not deliberately directing such inflammatory language as “Jihad” directed at other Gamesbids members, namely myself.

You can’t pick and choose when you’re a Gamesbids Moderator representing Gamesbids.com and when you Troll with inflammatory language as you have just chosen to do.
 

 

On 1/5/2023 at 2:11 PM, Sir Rols said:

Deflecting much.

Jihad. Holy War. Crusade. Fatwa. Whatever…

i don’t consider them inflammatory. I consider them accurate to how you so obsessively pursue any comments that are the slightest critical of your Holy “New Norm”.

 

On 1/5/2023 at 5:16 PM, AustralianFan said:

You,

Rols,

seriously think that if you don’t find something offensive that no-one else will.  

Are you serious? 

Shockingly selfish, inwardly focussed behaviour that you throw out insults like this

 

49 minutes ago, Australian Kiwi said:

Bang on. Jihad was apt - so would be a comparison with the thinking of a member of the Nazi Youth or a far left or right radical. Australian Fan does have a fanatical fixation with defending the IOC's new directions and drowning out any other opinion. 

People, whether Members of Parliament or members of the public, are encouraged to report possible Fixated Persons to their local police station, 131 444 or anonymously through Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

 

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33 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

The IOC’s Huge “To Do” List

While the IOC has got lots of staff and resources, it’s going to be a massive challenge to consider and formally introduce a permanent rotating hosting pool with all the bells and whistles in the time between now and 2025.

Not saying it can’t be done, but if they pull this off, the IOC will be firing on all cylinders to get this done and a double awarding of 2030 and 2034 Olympic Winter Hosts and climate ready rules.

With Bach’s upcoming end of term as IOC President, will this be something like the timeline? (only guessing and based on his comments to the media in Dec 2022):  

Suggested timeline:

 

2023

  • IOC considers, approves and announces new hosting rules for the Olympic Winter Games including the climate-ready rules and the permanent rotating hosting pool framework, guidelines, procedures and timelines

2024

  • IOC announces elevation of specific Hosts to Targeted Dialogue for each of the 2030 and 2034 Olympic Winter Games 

2025    

  • Future Host Commission recommends to IOC Executive Board specific candidatures for approval
  • IOC EB considers these, approves and announces which Hosts will be put to a Host Election at the next IOC Session
  • Host Elections and double awarding of the 2030 and 2034 Olympic Winter Games
  • The 2030 Host/s will likely have hosted previously with most infrastructure in place, will meet the climate rule and will have 5 years to prepare for the Games.
  • Bach steps down as IOC President and new IOC President announced
  • With 2030 and 2034 awarded, the new IOC President can focus on a sussing out a 2036 Host for the Summer Games.

Back on topic.

Yes, the IOC has a huge “To Do List” in the coming 12-24 months centred around how this new Rotating Pool of Olympic Winter Games Hosts would work, along with the climate-ready rule and then a double awarding of 2030 and 2034, if these new ideas were adopted -  and it’s looking odds on that they will be.

Throw in that Bach will want to have this all done before he hands over to his successor in 2025.

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9 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

Back on topic.

Yes, the IOC has a huge “To Do List” in the coming 12-24 months centred around how this new Rotating Pool of Olympic Winter Games Hosts would work, along with the climate-ready rule and then a double awarding of 2030 and 2034, if these new ideas were adopted -  and it’s looking odds on that they will be.

Throw in that Bach will want to have this all done before he hands over to his successor in 2025.

Quoting yourself to agree with yourself surely constitutes spamming and trolling, and perfectly illustrates a particular criticism of your debating style

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( “you” is anyone reading this thread )

Come on, back on topic.

The topic is  “Does the Winter Olympics just need a rotating roster of hosts?”

I’ve only been guessing with my personal opinion.

What do others think how a selectioon process for a permanent hosting pool would work for the Olympic/Paralympic Winter Games?

 

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Lets say they have a rotating pool and a great bid comes from left field outside the pool....would the IOC say, 'no we are rotating it now'? 

 

I like the idea of awarding the Games to countries or even regions (if they are getting desperate).......then all the facilities will be in place.

So there could easily by a Games in France, Switzerland, Italy, USA, Canada, Japan, China, Korea.....or Scandanavia, the Alps, The Baltic+Poland for example.

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7 minutes ago, TorchbearerSydney said:

Lets say they have a rotating pool and a great bid comes from left field outside the pool....would the IOC say, 'no we are rotating it now'? 

 

I like the idea of awarding the Games to countries or even regions (if they are getting desperate).......then all the facilities will be in place.

So there could easily by a Games in France, Switzerland, Italy, USA, Canada, Japan, China, Korea.....or Scandanavia, the Alps, The Baltic+Poland for example.

Circumstances change,  governments in power, public support, available funding, so there needs to be flexibility to allow individual new entrants to the pool after initial pool entrants are vetted and admitted.

Not sure about how this would work with a rotating hosting pool of individual hosting cities compared to individual hosting countries in the pool vs individual cities in the pool.

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Q: Not sure about how this would work with a rotating hosting pool of individual hosting cities compared to individual hosting countries in the pool vs individual cities in the pool.

Thinking about Tokyo 2020- the marathon was held in Sapporo 800km away. The casual viewer had no idea. 

If a Winter Games was held in Nagano/ Tokyo (using some Olympic Venues) and Sapporo and the Games were called Japan 2032, viewers on TV would be none the wiser that were so spread out.

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36 minutes ago, TorchbearerSydney said:

Q: Not sure about how this would work with a rotating hosting pool of individual hosting cities compared to individual hosting countries in the pool vs individual cities in the pool.

Thinking about Tokyo 2020- the marathon was held in Sapporo 800km away. The casual viewer had no idea. 

If a Winter Games was held in Nagano/ Tokyo (using some Olympic Venues) and Sapporo and the Games were called Japan 2032, viewers on TV would be none the wiser that were so spread out.

True.   Milano Cortina 2026 with venues spread far and wide over Northern Italy is an example of this.

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41 minutes ago, TorchbearerSydney said:

Ultimately I suppose it depends on how desperate they become....and now 7 years out, desperation must be setting in. The usual time frame is seven years, and no nibbles.....EEK!

Yes.

Bach indicated as much last month that a 2025 awarding of the 2030 Games would be enough time for a previous host with existing infrastructure but a 2026 awarding probably would not be sufficient time. 

The extra time between now and a likely double awarding of 2030 and 2034 and 2025 wil hopefully give Sapporo enough time to sort itself out and/or another quality entrant to the race who has existing games infrastructure.  Failing that, SLC is the backup for 2030.

 

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