North Jeolla 2036

[AustralianFan]

2 hours ago, iceman530 said:

Forgive my obliviousness, but is Seoul's bid highly tied to the president?  If so, is this tarnished to the point of no return?

No.  Seoul 2036 is tied to the Mayor of Seoul, Oh Se-hoon, who has been the leading driver and face of the Bid.

[Roger87]

22 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

No.  Seoul 2036 is tied to the Mayor of Seoul, Oh Se-hoon, who has been the leading driver and face of the Bid.

True, but it won't matter in the main aspect considering South Korea is one of the most centralized governments. For this bid to function need the effort of the President.

If South Korea was a federal republic (Like USA or Australia), maybe this would have work.

[Roger87]

On 12/4/2024 at 9:48 PM, iceman530 said:

Forgive my obliviousness, but is Seoul's bid highly tied to the president?  If so, is this tarnished to the point of no return?

They may change of President. The main issue is about the level of government. 

South Korea is a full centralized republic. That means all the efforts of the Olympic bids must be backed by the national government. The mayor of Seoul can do whatever campaign he wants but unless the new President is sword and he's 100% on board of the bid, this ship has sailed and crashed.

[Ikarus360]

Embarassing that this had to happen in South Korea, but at least it showed democracy works well in the country and they didn't allowed this madman to go any further. It goes without saying he'll be removed which is a matter of days.

[AustralianFan]

 

On 12/6/2024 at 7:22 PM, Ikarus360 said:

Embarassing that this had to happen in South Korea, but at least it showed democracy works well in the country and they didn't allowed this madman to go any further. It goes without saying he'll be removed which is a matter of days.

Yes, it’s happening.  President Yoon Suk Yeol’s own party has turned against him and voted to impeach him today after he refused to resign.

[AustralianFan]

19 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

Yes, it’s happening.  President Yoon Suk Yeol’s own party has turned against him and voted to impeach him today after he refused to resign.

Further, the Consitutional Court of South Korea is expected to soon rule that the impeachment of Yoon Suk Yeol as legal and a new President will step into his shoes.

So Seoul 2036’s continuous dialogue with the IOC Future Host Commission for the 2036 Games will continue and will have hardly missed a beat. 

As others have said, a real strength of South Korea and democracy at work as we have seen a lunatic president swiftly dealt with by the people.

Pending financial guarantees forthcoming from the Government of South Korea (if they have not already been given before now in the behind-closed-door dialogue),

I still consider that Seoul to be a very strong front-runner to land the 2036 Games.

It has hosted previously and has lots of existing venues and stadiums, so aligns well with the IOC New Norm.

 

[Roger87]

On 12/15/2024 at 12:45 AM, AustralianFan said:

Further, the Consitutional Court of South Korea is expected to soon rule that the impeachment of Yoon Suk Yeol as legal and a new President will step into his shoes.

So Seoul 2036’s continuous dialogue with the IOC Future Host Commission for the 2036 Games will continue and will have hardly missed a beat. 

As others have said, a real strength of South Korea and democracy at work as we have seen a lunatic president swiftly dealt with by the people.

Pending financial guarantees forthcoming from the Government of South Korea (if they have not already been given before now in the behind-closed-door dialogue),

I still consider that Seoul to be a very strong front-runner to land the 2036 Games.

It has hosted previously and has lots of existing venues and stadiums, so aligns well with the IOC New Norm.

 

And again, considering the nature of South Korea as centralized republic, it will need the broader support of the national government aka the new President and considering there's the other issue over the sports ministry, it can be on hold. It won't matter if the mayor of Seoul is doing campaign if that doesn't guaranteed the national support, as happened with the prior government 

[iceman530]

Yeah I dont think anything that happened took South Korea off the plate.  It was a blip for sure, and a notable one, but the recovery since has been nice.

[Sir Rols]

I’m pretty sure this would have far more bearing on Korea’s chances than the coup attempt…

Police raid Korean Olympic chief’s home

[iceman530]

yeaaaaahhhhh that certainly would.  South Korea trying to take themselves off the board here and doing a great job of it with that latest news.

[baron-pierreIV]

Seoul's 2036 Olympic plans full steam ahead! 

Seoul, another step towards 2036 Olympic Games

Looks like RSA vs. Istanbul vs Seoul for 2036!!

[AustralianFan]

29 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said:

Seoul's 2036 Olympic plans full steam ahead! 

Seoul, another step towards 2036 Olympic Games

Looks like RSA vs. Istanbul vs Seoul for 2036!!

Yes its good the Seoul 2036 bid process has actually been able to tick along in the background while this unprecedented political turmoil unfold with not ine, but two impeachments in a month, first the President Yoon Suk Yeoul and then incredibly the impeachment of the Acting President Han Duck-soo less than 24 hours ago.

So now the third (acting) President of South Korea in 4 weeks is Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister Choi-sang Mok.  Hopefully he can stabilise things until legal proceedings are complete and the process for a new President begins.

ABC News Australia - 28 December 2024

 

 

[texan]

Saudi Arabia and South Kore also ran against each other for EXPO 2030, and SA won.

 

This time both will lose as Istanbul will get to host the 2036 Olympics   

[baron-pierreIV]

On 12/31/2024 at 1:04 AM, texan said:

Saudi Arabia and South Kore also ran against each other for EXPO 2030, and SA won.

 

This time both will lose as Istanbul will get to host the 2036 Olympics   

Nah.  I have not seen Istanbul's plans.  RSA will check off the Africa box; Seoul will have the lowest venue and infrastructure expenditures -- with 95% of Seoul's stadia and subways built.  I don't know what Istanbul can offer that will have more value than those MAJOR Benefits put forward by RSA and Seoul candidacies.  Since SA already will host WC 2034, the IOC will no longer be compelled to have to satisfy a Middle Eastern NOC.  Also, of RSA, Seoul and Istanbul/Ankara, the Turkish bid is the one most SUSCEPTIBLE to earthquake disruptions.  That will feature big into each bid city's chances.  

Edited January 1, 2025 by baron-pierreIV

[texan]

12 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said:

Nah.  I have not seen Istanbul's plans.  RSA will check off the Africa box; Seoul will have the lowest venue and infrastructure expenditures -- with 95% of Seoul's stadia and subways built.  I don't know what Istanbul can offer that will have more value than those MAJOR Benefits put forward by RSA and Seoul candidacies.  Since SA already will host WC 2034, the IOC will no longer be compelled to have to satisfy a Middle Eastern NOC.  Also, of RSA, Seoul and Istanbul/Ankara, the Turkish bid is the one most SUSCEPTIBLE to earthquake disruptions.  That will feature big into each bid city's chances.  

You have not seen the Istanbul 2036 plans because you are not an IOC member. They held meetings with the IOC and soon the plans would be public as the selection process went on.  

RSA is in the Middle East hence it is West Asia hence it is definitely not Africa. Greetings to your geography teacher.

Soul will not have the lowest venue and infrastructure expenditures as Istanbul also have everything built already. There is no other city in the world that builds 10 metro lines at the same time and by 2029 Istanbul will have the same number of metro stations as Seoul. Seoul had already hosted an Olympics. Now it is time to give chance to new cities like Istanbul. 

How is the World Cup and Olympics related? With this logic, Qatar 2022 already satisfied a Middle Eastern Olympics host lol and 2010 South Africa and 2030 Morocco satisfied the African Olympics... I don't see the connection. 

If the earthquake was a problem (This is a horrible and inhumane argument to use btw. Basically you are fortune-telling that oh there may be an earthquake so, you can't host anything major) then how did Athens, Rome, Tokyo host? 

I am very confident that Istanbul is leading the 2036 bid with its uniqueness and readiness. 

[texan]

Oh, my comment was for Saudi Arabia but you meant South Africa. Anyway, still your comment does not make any sense. While you praise how Seoul has the metro and infrastructure to host on the other hand you are promoting South Africa which has nothing but football stadiums from the 2010 World Cup. Istanbul has everything and it is a new city to discover. Seoul should wait for another generation to host again and South Africa needs to build its infrastructure and prove that they don't build them just to host an event for 2 weeks.

[baron-pierreIV]

Nope.  Disagree with your twisted thinking. 

Earthquakes -- Athens, Rome, Tokyo?  You forget that Turkey is where the continental plates brush up against each other.  The fault lines in Greece are not in great centers of population.  Congratulations to your geography teacher, schmuck. 

Rome 1908 was cancelled because of the eruption of Vesuvius (so nearly the same thing as a major earthquake.)  Tokyo is indeed earthquake country but Japan is the world's 3rd biggest economy; they are used to earthquakes and can quickly MOBILIZE after major earthquakes.  Plus all the post-war infrastructure of Japan -- including Olympic installations are either earthquake-proof or they ahve quick remedial measures which a developing country like Turkey does not have.  

I don't think the IOC should be beholden to Istanbul if Seoul and/or RSA are the better options for their Games.  It's for their Games -- safe and assured -- not for a NEW, scenic setting.  

[fusilli]

^^

What about California, then?

[texan]

29 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said:

Nope.  Disagree with your twisted thinking. 

Earthquakes -- Athens, Rome, Tokyo?  You forget that Turkey is where the continental plates brush up against each other.  The fault lines in Greece are not in great centers of population.  Congratulations to your geography teacher, schmuck. 

Rome 1908 was cancelled because of the eruption of Vesuvius (so nearly the same thing as a major earthquake.)  Tokyo is indeed earthquake country but Japan is the world's 3rd biggest economy; they are used to earthquakes and can quickly MOBILIZE after major earthquakes.  Plus all the post-war infrastructure of Japan -- including Olympic installations are either earthquake-proof or they ahve quick remedial measures which a developing country like Turkey does not have.  

I don't think the IOC should be beholden to Istanbul if Seoul and/or RSA are the better options for their Games.  It's for their Games -- safe and assured -- not for a NEW, scenic setting.  

Watch your language. I am very confident with my geography skills. Since Rome hosted the Olympics again in 1960, I guess it was not a major problem. Here is the seismic hazard map of Europe and clearly Italy and Greece are under threat as much as Turkey and yet they could host several Olympics in history. 

Using a natural disaster as an anti-argument is seriously a horrible and inhumane thing to do. Shame on you. Just to give you an idea, Japan was awarded only 1-2 years after the Earthquake in Japan when Japan failed and their nuclear power plant started leaking into the ocean and they had to empty some cities and villages like Chornobyl. You ar just making up reasons because you know Istanbul's bid is pretty strong in terms of organization and infrastructure. Don't worry; the European Olympic Committee and the UEFA entrusted Istanbul for the 2027 European Games and the 2032 European Football Championship. The 2036 Olympics will be the crowning event of Istanbul. No other city deserves the Olympics more than Istanbul. 

Don't worry, Istanbul is the safest and most assured bet compared to the other boring bids  

[AustralianFan]

@texan Turkiye is one of about 10 countries who are interested parties for 2036 and believed to be in dialogue now with the IOC Future Host Commission.

Of these 10, Turkiye is one of maybe about 5-6 bidders with existing venues and infrastructure who have a very strong case to put forward for hosting.

But, here is the big unknown factor that may turn the 2036 race upside down:

In a warming climate, the IOC recently flagged that they are seriously considering relaxing the July/August Olympics hosting dates to allow the Games to be held in the cooler months.

If this big change was to happen before the 2036 Games are awarded,  it would open the door for middle east countries like Qatar or Saudi Arabia to host the Games in November or December.  Both have existing stadiums and sports venues, just like Turkey, Seoul, Hungary and India.

Saudi Arabia will have hosted the 2034 World Cup by 2036 so has lots of stadiums and was recently awarded the new Olympic E-Sports Games for the next 12 years.  

Similarly, Qatar just hosted the 2022 World Cup woth all it’s stadiums and by 2036 will have hosted the Asian Games twice with all those venues.

Seoul has hosted the Olympics previously so is in a strong position too with all it’s existing venues.

Turkey has lots of existing venues too so will put up a strong bid, as will India.

So, as much as you want Istanbul to win the 2036 Olympics, it has very strong competitors and right now there is no clear winner.

The 2036 Games will go to the candidate city who has the most existing venues and who can present the most compelling case.

Not having hosted an Olympic Games before is no longer has the same weighting it did  past years.  So, I would not put too much emphasis on that.

The IOC has no problem at all in awarding the Olympics to cities which have prebiously hosted the Olympics before.  Just look at Paris 2024, Tokyo 2020 and London 2012 and Los Angeles 2028.

It’s up to the IOC Future Host Commission to recommend to the IOC Executive Board one or more preferred bidders for the next stage which is intensive targeted dialogue ahead of a final decision by the IOC Executive Board which candidate cities will be put forward to the full IOC Session for thr final Host City Presentations and Vote.

In this New Norm Olympic Host selection era, it’s all about having existing venues and if possible do not build any new venues unless a candidate city can demonstrate with evidence that sny new venue will be used regularly afther the Games and not become white elephant venues falling into disrepair as occurred after the Athens 2004 and Rio 2016 Games.

So, here is the full list of interested parties believed to be in continuous dialogue with the IOC Future Commission for the 2036 Olympic and Paralympic Games:

 

• Ahmedabad, India 2036
• Budapest, Hungary 2036
• Capetown, South Africa 2036
• Copenhagen, Denmark 2036
• Doha, Qatar 2036
• Cairo, Egypt 2036
• Istanbul, Turkiye 2036
• Nusantara, Indonesia 2036
• Saudi Arabia 2036
• Seoul, South Korea 2036

 

For info, this the source thread for this list:

 

[Bear]

5 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said:

You forget that Turkey is where the continental plates brush up against each other.  The fault lines in Greece are not in great centers of population.  Congratulations to your geography teacher, schmuck.

...Los Angeles? I don't think earthquakes and tectonic boundaries play as big of a role in Olympic hosting decisions than you think

[Sir Rols]

13 minutes ago, Bear said:

...Los Angeles? I don't think earthquakes and tectonic boundaries play as big of a role in Olympic hosting decisions than you think

Not to mention Tokyo getting elected just two years after the Tohoku quake/tsunami…

[baron-pierreIV]

6 hours ago, texan said:

Watch your language. I am very confident with my geography skills. Since Rome hosted the Olympics again in 1960, I guess it was not a major problem. Here is the seismic hazard map of Europe and clearly Italy and Greece are under threat as much as Turkey and yet they could host several Olympics in history. 

Using a natural disaster as an anti-argument is seriously a horrible and inhumane thing to do. Shame on you. Just to give you an idea, Japan was awarded only 1-2 years after the Earthquake in Japan when Japan failed and their nuclear power plant started leaking into the ocean and they had to empty some cities and villages like Chornobyl. You ar just making up reasons because you know Istanbul's bid is pretty strong in terms of organization and infrastructure. Don't worry; the European Olympic Committee and the UEFA entrusted Istanbul for the 2027 European Games and the 2032 European Football Championship. The 2036 Olympics will be the crowning event of Istanbul. No other city deserves the Olympics more than Istanbul. 

Don't worry, Istanbul is the safest and most assured bet compared to the other boring bids  

Oh please -- STOP with this "shame on you" / inhumane BS.  If the consider the climate, geo-political dynamics -- THEY "CONSIDER everything.  OK, I'm done with discussing with such a PHONEY / fake "moralistic, shocked person."  I have no TIME for such fakery.  You move to my IGNORE list.  Bye. 

[AustralianFan]

A big plus for Seoul’s 2036 chances is that the public are right behind the bid.

From the recent  ITG report:  

“82% of the 1,000 South Koreans surveyed supported the idea of Seoul hosting the Olympics in 2036. Additionally, 90% expressed confidence that the event could be a success.”

Also, construction of the Jamsil Sport MICE complex project is due to start construction shortly in March.

“To minimise expenses and reduce environmental impact, Seoul plans to use existing facilities instead of constructing new ones. Proposed venues include Gwanghwamun Square for archery competitions and Han River Park for beach volleyball. The city has also secured the cooperation of neighbouring regions such as Gyeonggi and Incheon for the use of their sports infrastructures during the event.”

[texan]

10 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said:

Oh please -- STOP with this "shame on you" / inhumane BS.  If the consider the climate, geo-political dynamics -- THEY "CONSIDER everything.  OK, I'm done with discussing with such a PHONEY / fake "moralistic, shocked person."  I have no TIME for such fakery.  You move to my IGNORE list.  Bye. 

Oh nooo please don't ignore meee 😂 If you ignore me then what do you say about the LA and Tokyo comments above? I am very curious.