North Jeolla 2036

[sebastien1214]

8 minutes ago, iceman530 said:

This........looks like its gonna be a really strong bid.  It feels like its between Seoul and Istanbul right now.

Well, there is still a major difference between Seoul, which is currently only a wish of the mayor, and Istanbul, which is fully supported by the government. As long as Seoul does not have government support, it will not be a credible candidate.

And that would quickly forget the Gulf countries. I could be told "but geopolitics, the region is unstable", but I do not believe that today this point is a major obstacle (the FIFA World Cup opened Pandora's box; and should I remind you of the geopolitical crisis in Qatar between 2017 and 2021, when Qatar was almost invaded by the Saudi Arabia-UAE alliance?), and then I think that in any case this region has never been so "stable" and "at peace" since 1945 (yes it seems paradoxical with the current situation with Israel, but I have arguments to explain why; but that would go a bit off-topic)

[iceman530]

This........looks like its gonna be a really strong bid.  It feels like its between Seoul and Istanbul right now.

[iceman530]

crap, sorry for the double post.

[iceman530]

3 minutes ago, sebastien1214 said:

Well, there is still a major difference between Seoul, which is currently only a wish of the mayor, and Istanbul, which is fully supported by the government. As long as Seoul does not have government support, it will not be a credible candidate.

And that would quickly forget the Gulf countries. I could be told "but geopolitics, the region is unstable", but I do not believe that today this point is a major obstacle (the FIFA World Cup opened Pandora's box; and should I remind you of the geopolitical crisis in Qatar between 2017 and 2021, when Qatar was almost invaded by the Saudi Arabia-UAE alliance?), and then I think that in any case this region has never been so "stable" and "at peace" since 1945 (yes it seems paradoxical with the current situation with Israel, but I have arguments to explain why; but that would go a bit off-topic)

Nooooo idea what is up with my internet or the website right now, but I was trying to quote you.  Are there any indicators of friction with the government right now?  I was previously unaware of any.

No doubt, the Gulf States loom large in all of this.

[sebastien1214]

4 minutes ago, iceman530 said:

Nooooo idea what is up with my internet or the website right now, but I was trying to quote you.  Are there any indicators of friction with the government right now?  I was previously unaware of any.

No doubt, the Gulf States loom large in all of this.

I don't know much about Asian politics, so I can't make a prediction or give an opinion on it. Simply, what I see is that at this stage Seoul's candidacy has not received any public support from the government; maybe that will change, I don't know.

And then the choice of the host city is not expected before 2026-2027 at the earliest (which would be ridiculously too early in my opinion). A lot of things can change. Starting with new cities that would emerge with others strong bids.

[AustralianFan]

Currently, it shouldn’t be assumed that the Seoul 2036 bid does not have the support of the Government of South Korea or is not involved in current dialogue since public release  of discussions between interested parties and the IOC Future Host Commission is left up to that bidder.  

What we know:

• 1 Apr-21:   Korea submits joint bid for 2036 with North Korea - Inside The Games
• 19 Oct-22:  IOC chief hails Seoul Olympics' legacy as 'model' for all competitions - Korea.net
• 21 Oct-22: Seoul Mayor pushes case for 2036 Olympics as Bach welcomes legacy declaration - Inside The Games
• 26 Oct-22: Seoul Mayor Oh meets with IOC chief Bach in Lausanne to promote 2036 Olympic bid -   Infobae.com
• 13 Mar-23: Seoul drops Pyongyang from Korea’s 2036 Olympic bid - Gamesbids.com
• 29 Aug-23: Jamsil Olympic Stadium, the main venue of the 1988 Summer Olympics, to undergo facelift - Yon Hap News
• 14 Aug-24: at Paris 2024, Seoul is one of several nations who promoted their bids: Gamesbids.com

[Roger87]

4 hours ago, sebastien1214 said:

It's the same for any country anyway, I think; with the notable exception of the US (and maybe 2-3 other developed countries with a very strong federal system, like Australia?), the national government will always end up with the largest share to pay.

Normally the full federal governments had that certain autonomy for the small units to make deals as their own. Of course at the end, the making of the Olympics requires the full state approval, but in this case is easier for example the governor of California pushing more pressure and had a certain independence in this aspect than a full centralized country like South Korea for example. 

[Roger87]

3 hours ago, iceman530 said:

  Are there any indicators of friction with the government right now?  I was previously unaware of any.

It looks the South Korean government is walking on tight rope at this moment with a series of scandals and the huge disapproval of the President and the cabinet (Right now, only Peru's Dina Boluarte is in worst place than him). 

[Roger87]

Now the recent news explained many things of the NOC and the national government silence. 

[Josh0108]

In terms of a city to co-host with, Incheon would be the best choice as it is part of the same metro area.

[AustralianFan]

It’s interesting that Korea Times is reporting that North Joella Province is looking to jointly bid with Seoul.  This is a dfferent to the  Gyeonggi do Province where Incheon is located:

“North Jeolla Province is pushing forward with its aim of securing the right to host the 2036 Summer Olympics. The provincial government announced Thursday that it is exploring both a potential partnership with Seoul, which has already submitted its bid and the possibility of pursuing an independent bid.”

“The province plans to submit a letter of intent to the Korean Sports and Olympic Committee (KSOC) by Tuesday, the deadline for selecting candidate cities.”

“However, the province and the city government have yet to reach an agreement on a joint bid for the 2036 Summer Olympics.”

“Seoul has expressed its intention to lead the bid independently, arguing that a solo bid would have a stronger chance of competing against other international contenders at the International Olympic Committee (IOC).”

"There is no precedent for co-hosting the Summer Olympics, and only a single-city bid will be competitive against overseas cities," a Seoul Metropolitan Government official said.”

Korea Times 7 Nov-2024

[texan]

https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1149955/koreas-olympic-committee-investigated

 

2036 Olympic bid at risk

The investigation comes at a crucial time in KSOC’s calendar as the organisation aims to formalise a bid to host the 2036 Olympic and Paralympic Games. KSOC has set a deadline for interested host cities this week to build its proposal. 

North Jeolla Province and Seoul —who hopes to partner with Busan, Incheon and Gangwon— are among the interested regions. 

Korea’s Ministry of Economy and Finance and the Ministry of Culture, Sports and Tourism will need to approve the proposal before a further letter of intent is sent to the International Olympic Committee and the KSOC can join the continuous dialogue of the bid process. Any bid by South Korea could be jeopardised if the already strained relations between the KSOC and the Ministry of Culture, Sports and Tourism aren’t resolved quickly.

According to reports, the Minister of Culture, Sports and Tourism Yoo In-chon opposes Lee’s possible run for a third term consecutive term. If the government continues to interfere, the IOC could sanction the KSOC, which could include a suspension. The election is scheduled for 25 January.

[Roger87]

On 11/11/2024 at 7:33 AM, texan said:

https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1149955/koreas-olympic-committee-investigated

 

2036 Olympic bid at risk

The investigation comes at a crucial time in KSOC’s calendar as the organisation aims to formalise a bid to host the 2036 Olympic and Paralympic Games. KSOC has set a deadline for interested host cities this week to build its proposal. 

North Jeolla Province and Seoul —who hopes to partner with Busan, Incheon and Gangwon— are among the interested regions. 

Korea’s Ministry of Economy and Finance and the Ministry of Culture, Sports and Tourism will need to approve the proposal before a further letter of intent is sent to the International Olympic Committee and the KSOC can join the continuous dialogue of the bid process. Any bid by South Korea could be jeopardised if the already strained relations between the KSOC and the Ministry of Culture, Sports and Tourism aren’t resolved quickly.

According to reports, the Minister of Culture, Sports and Tourism Yoo In-chon opposes Lee’s possible run for a third term consecutive term. If the government continues to interfere, the IOC could sanction the KSOC, which could include a suspension. The election is scheduled for 25 January.

Exactly my prior point over the national government. 

[stryker]

Even without the government turmoil, any potential Seoul bid would largely hinge on the master plan for the renovation of Jamsil Olympic Park getting approval. Last I heard it was on hold because of costs. If it goes through, Seoul has the existing venues from 1986 plus the plans call for a new 15,000 seat arena. In terms of co-hosting for sustainability, sure Incheon with its 2014 Asiad venues is a possibility but I wouldn't rule out the ice venues from Pyeongchang either. Seoul would have options and transportation infrastructure in Korea is state-of-the-art.

[baron-pierreIV]

I think a Seoul II bid's main problem is the site of a new and conveniently located OV.  With real estate in Seoul so high, finding an affordable and accessible 30-40 hectare site for a new OV will be a little challenging.  

[yoshi]

Just opened BBC News to find that South Korea is currently having...well I'm not really sure what it's having to be honest but it looks a little bit like a coup. Unless they know something we don't about what the North are up to?

BBC News - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn38321180et
South Korea's President Yoon Suk Yeol declares emergency martial law - live updates - BBC News

Edited December 3, 2024 by yoshi

[iceman530]

This is the weirdest timeline.........didnt have that one on my bingo card

Next, Mozambique will be testing a nuclear weapon surely.

[StefanMUC]

3 hours ago, yoshi said:

Just opened BBC News to find that South Korea is currently having...well I'm not really sure what it's having to be honest but it looks a little bit like a coup. Unless they know something we don't about what the North are up to?

BBC News - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn38321180et
South Korea's President Yoon Suk Yeol declares emergency martial law - live updates - BBC News

President just trying to save his own skin. Same playbook everywhere. I hope SK remembers 1980 and doesn‘t let ig happen again.

Kim will be absolutely delighted though I guess. Yet another „free world“ country on the road to self-destruction.

[yoshi]

Well he's abandoned it now, so hopefully normality will resume there. His position as President is surely untenable now as well. Quite a frightening thing to just suddenly happen in a democratic country though. 

BBC News - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn38321180et
South Korea live: South Korea President Yoon says he will lift martial law he announced hours before - BBC News

[StefanMUC]

Anyway, martial law in South Korea didn‘t stop the IOC voting for it before…

 

 

[AustralianFan]

9 hours ago, yoshi said:

Well he's abandoned it now, so hopefully normality will resume there. His position as President is surely untenable now as well. Quite a frightening thing to just suddenly happen in a democratic country though. 

BBC News - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn38321180et
South Korea live: South Korea President Yoon says he will lift martial law he announced hours before - BBC News

Yoon cannot survive this politically.

He will resign amid massive mounting pressure.

Democracy in action.

[Roger87]

2 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

Yoon cannot survive this politically.

He will resign amid massive mounting pressure.

Democracy in action.

Well, after the National Assembly action and the Non answer from the army, it's not like he has a lot of options now. 

[AustralianFan]

12 hours ago, Roger87 said:

Well, after the National Assembly action and the Non answer from the army, it's not like he has a lot of options now. 

True.

[sebastien1214]

A president who can't get his budget passed because of an opposition-dominated assembly and ends up imposing martial law?

I guess any resemblance to another country going through the exact same situation would be pure coincidence, eh.

[iceman530]

Forgive my obliviousness, but is Seoul's bid highly tied to the president?  If so, is this tarnished to the point of no return?