The Trans Issue - IFs rule on transgender participation

[Quaker2001]

6 hours ago, Sir Rols said:

Here’s an article that gave me food for thought. Still not convinced, but it has got me thinking…

https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/06/23/ending-the-exclusion-of-transgender-athletes/?fbclid=IwAR2mMY-ocrmZhWzGHWqWoWhtwFfzyqCty6XJ0O6X2cW4NOplcrqgtCSiWT8&fs=e&s=cl

3 hours ago, ulu said:

Bad argument which is trotted out every time there's a discussion of trans inclusion in women's sports. It's bad because sports aren't segregated based on these other attributes but they are segregated based on sex. These exact same arguments could be used to argue for the abolition sex segregation in sports which I don't think anyone wants.

We've heard the unfair advantage comment about Phelps before, so that's hardly anything new.  Surprised that article didn't bring up Caster Semenya, speaking of an athlete who actually did have to neutralize her biological advantage in order to compete.

I don't think there's ever going to be a solution to this issue that satisfies both sides, especially in a charged up political environment.  I graduated from Penn (hence the "Quaker"), so I've heard plenty about Lia Thomas and all the rumblings from teammates who were essentially told to stay quiet or face consequences.  We will continue to hear more about this as time goes on, to be sure.  And as it creeps closer to high level competitions and Olympic sports, people on all sides will likely just get louder about it

[Sir Rols]

And now the IOC has ruled:

International Olympic Committee updates transgender guidelines to preserve ‘fairness’ in women’s sport

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The transgender guidelines for elite sport have been updated by the International Olympic Committee in an effort to keep women’s sport fair, following division over the original version.

Former swimmer Sharron Davies and cyclist Nicole Cooke were among the athletes who criticised the IOC when they approved new guidelines in November last year saying trans women seeking to compete in female competitions should have “no presumption of advantage”.

They slammed the original guidelines for not providing enough detail.

The updated statement reads, according to the Daily Mail: “Principle 4 [fairness] recognises that sports organisations may at times need to issue eligibility criteria for sex-segregated competition to maintain a fair and proportionate distribution of competitive advantages among participants.”

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https://www.news.com.au/sport/olympics/international-olympic-committee-updates-transgender-guidelines-to-preserve-fairness-in-womens-sport/news-story/e57171a73d7672397b9ea4fa83efdf88

 

Basically, it seems eligibility is to be determined on a sport by sport basis

Edited December 19, 2022 by Sir Rols

[baron-pierreIV]

Well, finally "GUYS" can artistic/synchro-swim in Paris 2024!! 

Men set to compete in Olympic artistic swimming for first time at Paris 2024 (insidethegames.biz) 

So, can a trans (male-2-female) synchro swimmer be counted separately from or with the natural females?  Or vice-versa?  

But I think it still looks wonky and is just another form of "quota-ism."  As a spectator, your eyes are going to be on the ONE DIFFERENT swimmer -- not the uniform whole.  

[Sir Rols]

Perfectly illustrating that this is an issue where you can’t win, no mater what side of the fences you sit on, Seb Coke’s coping flack now for the new athletics rules, which do leave the door open for trans participation in womens’ events.

World Athletics’ transgender regulations see scientific rigour give way to a fudge

[TheOtherRob]

And yet...

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-athletes-likely-to-be-barred-from-female-classifications-jv7h7s5rq?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1674764054

Probably least-worst option for balancing fairness and inclusion?

[Scotguy II]

Just scrap separate male and female events and have it mixed... equal pay, equal opportunities, equal rules and equal sports = none of this issue.

[TheOtherRob]