2036 Olympics: Crowded Field of Interested Parties

[SportLightning]

We 10 bids is really tough.

[Comped]

23 hours ago, Guilga said:

Well, we have here a process to future games, so these might not be just for 2036 or specifically targeting that date; it was said that the projects are in very different stages of development after all.

With that said, and only listing the known bidders mentioned on the article:

BRITAIN: London or Birmingham or bust.
SOUTH KOREA: It would be just 18 years since PyeongChang, but it would be a summer games in Seoul, last hosting in 1988. It would go hand in hand, if you allow that pun, to go for 2036 with a more pacifist message.
EGYPT: It would be awesome to have games in Africa, but there is a autocracy breeding there, and does the country have what it takes? Of course, nothing that good management (or Saudi money) can´t resolve.
GERMANY: Could be a favorite, but does they actually want it from the IOC? Does Germany want a olympics 100 years after that time in Berlin? That remains to be seen.
INDIA: If it doesn´t fall into a Hindu teocracy, could work if they manage it well...and get past the shadow of the 2010 Commonwealth Games.
INDONESIA: Could be cool, but nope. Capital´s Sinking and New Capital isn´t built yet; Indonesia, focus on geting the new capital ready first before you add a Olympics at it.
MEXICO: Good luck. Can work with a good management, and that´s key to all developing countries trying to host.
QATAR: GOOD LUCK TO YA WITH THE IOC´S TIME FRAME REQUIREMENTS! Nothing that a good bribe can´t fix but come on, the IOC is not FIFA. They wouldn´t get away with a summer games in Qatar. AT ALL.
 

For me, my ranking is:

1. UK: Safe option, even if you move it out of London. Almost too safe - but who knows? Likely by then we'll be either at the end of Charles' reign or already into Will and Kate's, but I think the Queen's spirit will probably loom strongly over the games, particularly if they're in London. Would be the obvious choice for me.
2. Germany: Gets 2nd due to infrastructure, safety, and the ability and knowledge from previously hosting mega-events. Not my preferred choice, and I don't know if the IOC want it either - or the German people. If they don't... the bid is sunk.
3. South Korea: Not the best choice, but certainly top 3-4. I personally think they should wait another decade after this (particularly to see if relations with the north warm, among other things), but they're not a terrible choice.
4. Turkey: Better than most purely based on history and infrastructure. Human rights are a concern, but they're likely to be downplayed unless things change. If the IOC want a European-ish country that hasn't hosted before, they're the best choice.
5. Egypt: Squeaks into the top 5 because its' an African country that's relatively developed. Relatively safe as well, and is a familiar destination for many.
6. Qatar: I think the World Cup in a couple of weeks will sink them as an option for the Olympics. Especially because of their hotel room issue, and the huge issue with expected behavior from guests not matching their norms. But if they somehow did host, they could throw tons of money into it and make it work.
7. Mexico: Safety is my biggest issue here. Followed by a lack of infrastructure suitable for the Olympics that doesn't need massive redevelopment or complete construction.
8. India: No history of a similar sized event, and by the point the games will likely be awarded, the Commonwealth Games will have been over for nearly 20 years. While the heat is a concern, I'd argue politics is even more-so - and can they even afford the Olympics? I don't think so.
9. Hungary: Politics is an issue here - especially with tension between Hungary and the rest of the EU. Also, I don't think they have the right infrastructure, and realistically don't have the money to build it.
10. Indonesia: No real record of hosting major international events of a similar scale, and as you said, the bloody city isn't built yet.

[SportLightning]

6 hours ago, Comped said:

For me, my ranking is:

1. UK: Safe option, even if you move it out of London. Almost too safe - but who knows? Likely by then we'll be either at the end of Charles' reign or already into Will and Kate's, but I think the Queen's spirit will probably loom strongly over the games, particularly if they're in London. Would be the obvious choice for me.
2. Germany: Gets 2nd due to infrastructure, safety, and the ability and knowledge from previously hosting mega-events. Not my preferred choice, and I don't know if the IOC want it either - or the German people. If they don't... the bid is sunk.
3. South Korea: Not the best choice, but certainly top 3-4. I personally think they should wait another decade after this (particularly to see if relations with the north warm, among other things), but they're not a terrible choice.
4. Turkey: Better than most purely based on history and infrastructure. Human rights are a concern, but they're likely to be downplayed unless things change. If the IOC want a European-ish country that hasn't hosted before, they're the best choice.
5. Egypt: Squeaks into the top 5 because its' an African country that's relatively developed. Relatively safe as well, and is a familiar destination for many.
6. Qatar: I think the World Cup in a couple of weeks will sink them as an option for the Olympics. Especially because of their hotel room issue, and the huge issue with expected behavior from guests not matching their norms. But if they somehow did host, they could throw tons of money into it and make it work.
7. Mexico: Safety is my biggest issue here. Followed by a lack of infrastructure suitable for the Olympics that doesn't need massive redevelopment or complete construction.
8. India: No history of a similar sized event, and by the point the games will likely be awarded, the Commonwealth Games will have been over for nearly 20 years. While the heat is a concern, I'd argue politics is even more-so - and can they even afford the Olympics? I don't think so.
9. Hungary: Politics is an issue here - especially with tension between Hungary and the rest of the EU. Also, I don't think they have the right infrastructure, and realistically don't have the money to build it.
10. Indonesia: No real record of hosting major international events of a similar scale, and as you said, the bloody city isn't built yet.

It would be tough for each of them. Hungary did tried for the 2024 games, but 2044 could be possible if not 2036 or 2040.

[FYI]

Out of those ten, there's really only four viable, to reasonably viable, possible candidates: Germany, the U.K. South Korea & Turkey (as the wild card). And South Korea is there mainly as a solid back-up, if nothing ever materializes from (Western) Europe, if we're talking about 2036. The rest range from unrealistic to just down right pipe dreams. 

[SportLightning]

Germany might have a best chance of hosting it.

[Comped]

14 hours ago, SportLightning said:

Germany might have a best chance of hosting it.

I honestly think the UK will pull it off. If only because of the possibility of the bad-PR factor from 1936, and the IOC not wanting that chance.

[FYI]

I think some are making way too much of that point. Instead of having a pessimistic view, why not have an optimistic one & look at it as to how much Germany has progressed democratically since those Olympics nearly a century ago. The new & improved Germany. If we were talking about Berlin as the possible candidate city, then maybe there could be a case made against it, but even then, that'd be a stretch.

In the event of a German 2036 candidacy, though, we'd most likely be looking at Rhine-Rhur anyway, an area of Germany that's never hosted & can be less linked to 1936 Berlin. I know I'd much rather see an Olympics in a section of Germany that's never held the Olympics before, & 64 years since the country last hosted, versus another (U.K.) fourth London Olympics again, only 24 years since their last hosting.

[Quaker2001]

2 hours ago, Comped said:

I honestly think the UK will pull it off. If only because of the possibility of the bad-PR factor from 1936, and the IOC not wanting that chance.

That's not going to be a factor.  At all.  Only folks on here would make a big deal out of that.  I can't imagine the IOC will care about that.  They can't afford to be that picky based on something like that.

Like FYI alluded to, if Germany can put together a solid bid that is supported by the country, the IOC would be absolutely thrilled to have them.  Even if it was Berlin, I doubt the IOC would be concerned about PR.  They'd had another bad press this century that links to last century aren't likely to register. 

[StefanMUC]

59 minutes ago, FYI said:

I think some are making way too much of that point. Instead of having a pessimistic view, why not have an optimistic one & look at it as to how much Germany has progressed democratically since those Olympics nearly a century ago. The new & improved Germany. 

That was exactly the narrative of Munich 72 though…which went as far as to actually ban red or black from the colour scheme to distance itself from the Nazi flag and colours.

Yes, the IOC would probably take any German bid (that has public support!) in a heartbeat over the other (speculated) 2036 bids but only selling it as „look how we‘ve changed in 100 years“ feels a bit ridiculous to me. 

And anyway, I believe there will be a German bid once it passes the public support hurdle, no matter where in this country.

[yoshi]

Is it fair to say Rhine Ruhr is the only possible German bid that could get enough public support though? How likely is it? 

(Also I doubt the UK bid would be London again tbh)

[fusilli]

If only perfectly good stadia- Berlin would join..

[Quaker2001]

1 hour ago, StefanMUC said:

That was exactly the narrative of Munich 72 though…which went as far as to actually ban red or black from the colour scheme to distance itself from the Nazi flag and colours.

Yes, the IOC would probably take any German bid (that has public support!) in a heartbeat over the other (speculated) 2036 bids but only selling it as „look how we‘ve changed in 100 years“ feels a bit ridiculous to me. 

And anyway, I believe there will be a German bid once it passes the public support hurdle, no matter where in this country.

I'd imagine the whole 100 years thing is something that won't be a major narrative.  It wasn't with Paris.

They have plenty to sell themselves with on merit.  Numerous major events including a fairly recent World Cup and an IAAF World Championships.  But yes, your last point is the key.  None of this matters if the support isn't there

[FYI]

1 hour ago, StefanMUC said:

Yes, the IOC would probably take any German bid (that has public support!) in a heartbeat over the other (speculated) 2036 bids but only selling it as „look how we‘ve changed in 100 years“ feels a bit ridiculous to me. 

I didn't literally mean that's mainly how a German bid should be sold (especially when yes, we're talking about a fastidious bunch like the IOC). I was merely countering with that the whole "a German 2036 bid/Olympics would be bad PR" notion that some here have mentioned, which that by itself feels quite ridiculous to me.

Especially when any other bid, particularly from nations that have already hosted before, would need much more than mundane narratives to try & make their pitch. It's not like the U.K. (or South Korea), for example, can make any more of a compelling narrative, even if it is with another city besides London, since Germany has still gone much longer since their last Olympic Games.

 

[AustralianFan]

From Rob:

 

[SportLightning]

I think expect to be announced in 2025 is likely.

[yoshi]

With Vancouver out of 2030 due to the provincial (emphasis) government... anyone else feeling that Toronto's time might just be coming?

[FYI]

Not particularly.

[Quaker2001]

1 hour ago, yoshi said:

With Vancouver out of 2030 due to the provincial (emphasis) government... anyone else feeling that Toronto's time might just be coming?

Not for awhile.  LA has 2028 so I doubt there will be much eagerness to return to North America.  Toronto needs to figure out the stadium situation.  When they can do that, then we can ask if it's their time

[Scotguy II]

The NZ government are currently paying consultants to look into an Auckland 2036 olympic games bid.

[StefanMUC]

10 minutes ago, Scotguy II said:

The NZ government are currently paying consultants to look into an Auckland 2036 olympic games bid.

Source? I would very much doubt that the NZ govt would be so dumb to do that, knowing that it would be completely chanceless right after Brisbane 2032.

[Scotguy II]

1 minute ago, StefanMUC said:

Source? I would very much doubt that the NZ govt would be so dumb to do that, knowing that it would be completely chanceless right after Brisbane 2032.

It was on the news tonight... i will try and find the source. it is apparently a part of the current governments sports and culture plans going forward, to have like other countries a decade of sports events. They have been paying millions so far for consultants to look at FIFA WC 2036, Commonwealth Games 2034, Olympic Games 2036 and RWC 2037.

[Comped]

On 11/5/2022 at 5:11 AM, Scotguy II said:

It was on the news tonight... i will try and find the source. it is apparently a part of the current governments sports and culture plans going forward, to have like other countries a decade of sports events. They have been paying millions so far for consultants to look at FIFA WC 2036, Commonwealth Games 2034, Olympic Games 2036 and RWC 2037.

Of those... Commonwealth Games and RWC are probably the most in scale with NZ. Olympics and WC are a hard no unless Aus co-hosts the latter.

[Brekkie Boy]

On 10/21/2022 at 10:48 PM, Guilga said:

BRITAIN: London or Birmingham or bust.

Given where the economy is at the moment probably the latter.   Still think 2036 is too early and we're better off targeting the 2040s.    Ideally it would visit at least another couple of locations in Europe before returning to London.

[AustralianFan]

IOC Future Host Commission meeting re high interest in hosting future Games

 

[AustralianFan]

Host Cities Prefer the Dialogue System over the Traditional Bidding War

- above link to gamesbids.com post