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2 hours ago, FYI said:

If you've read this thread from the very beginning, you can see for yourself that the category of 'realistic contenders' does not matter whatsoever to the originator of this page. As long as there's so-called 'interest' from anywhere, then it's a "crowded field of interested parties". :lol:

But in all seriousness, the one main element (before we even get into infrastructure, etc) that often seems to get overlooked here when looking at a general 2036 'list' like this one, is that more than half of them would be disqualified right from the get-go (either due to extreme heat or monsoon rains), by the simple fact that the IOC mandates that the Summer Olympics be held between July 15th-Aug. 31st. 

So when looking at it from that perspective (not to mention the IOC's UNofficial every 12-years Summer Games goes to Europe trend), this is Germany's to lose (if they really want it, that is). The U.K. while certainly capable, is just too soon, especially if it's London (yet) again.

The wildcard, I'd say, would have to be Istanbul. Geopolitically, would be a new-frontier for the IOC,  not to mention that it's summer climate would be the most moderate in the IOC's preferred time-window, in comparison to any of the other so-called new territories that would want to put themselves on the 2036 table.

Biggest issue with Germany over, say Manchester, Birmingham, or Scotland (assuming no ref), is public support. Public support will likely sink any bid like it did Boston's.

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1 hour ago, Comped said:

Biggest issue with Germany over, say Manchester, Birmingham, or Scotland (assuming no ref), is public support. Public support will likely sink any bid like it did Boston's.

Oh, but of course. Which is why I went on to say "if they want it, that is". That said, though, I still can see Rhine-Ruhr as having more of a chance at winning over public support, over the likes of Berlin, Hamburg or Munich, for example. Rhine-Ruhr could be the L.A. (after Boston [Munich & Hamburg] said no) in this particular case.

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Interested 2036 parties reported in the media (unconfirmed) to be in

Continuous Dialogue with the IOC Future Host Commission

 

Mexico 2036 - Gamesbids.com        >> YES: reported 26/08/2022

Saudi Arabia 2036 - Gamesbids.com   

Germany 2036 - Gamesbids.com

Istanbul 2036 - Gamesbids.com

Nusantara 2036 - Gamesbids.com    >> YES: reported 09/08/2022

Britain 2036 - Gamesbids.com

Qatar 2036 - Inside The Games

Copenhagen 2036 - Gamesbids.com

Cairo 2036 - Gamesbids.com

Budapest 2036 - Gamesbids.com

Ahmedabad 2036 - Gamesbids.com

 

 

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The irony there, is quite interesting, to say the least. Since it's always been considered that having a prominent IOC member in your bid court, is usually very beneficial, & not deemed a liability, as it seems to be in this particular case. 

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There was a good article here some days ago regarding a future bid which highlights again that Bach sacrificed all German bids (at least until Munich 2018) for his personal ambitions. 
Furthermore, it was also highlighted that unlike other potential future bidders, Germany doesn‘t really have any high level sports officials networking behind the scenes (hello John C) - apart from the one person who first put his own agenda on top and then claimed to take a neutral position as IOC President.

This lack of network will also be a hurdle for another German candidate if other interested parties are better connected.

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18 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

U P D A T E

Interested 2036 parties reported in the media (unconfirmed) to be in

Continuous Dialogue with the IOC Future Host Commission

 

 

Mexico 2036 - Gamesbids.com        >> YES: reported 26/08/2022

Saudi Arabia 2036 - Gamesbids.com   

Germany 2036 - Gamesbids.com

Istanbul 2036 - Gamesbids.com

Nusantara 2036 - Gamesbids.com    >> YES: reported 09/08/2022

Britain 2036 - Gamesbids.com

Qatar 2036 - Inside The Games

Copenhagen 2036 - Gamesbids.com

Cairo 2036 - Gamesbids.com

Budapest 2036 - Gamesbids.com

Ahmedabad 2036 - Gamesbids.com

 

 

We can, over the next 2-3 years, or so start to see more and more media reports confirming continuous dialogue has commenced with the IOC Future Host Commission with those parties interested in hosting the 2036 SOGs.

By May 2023, the IOC will have elected a 2030 winter host and will pay more attention to prospects for the 2036 Summer Games and a 2034 WOGs host if not in place by then.

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Just now, AustralianFan said:

We can, over the next 2-3 years, or so start to see more and more media reports confirming continuous dialogue has commenced with the IOC Future Host Commission with those parties interested in hosting the 2036 SOGs.

By May 2023, the IOC will have elected a 2030 winter host and will pay more attention to prospects for the 2036 Summer Games and a 2034 WOGs host if not in place by then.

But a 2036 host election will def not occur before Bach has left the IOC Presidency in 2025, as has been mentioned already.

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I wouldn't be so sure about that.  Nobody but Brisbane seemed to know the 2032 bidding process had started when they were announced.

Also have to wonder whether such a long lead time between the host being announced and staging the games is a good idea.   The actual cost of course always comes in significantly above the cost at the time they bid - partly due to inflation, partly due to other issues.   An extra 4 years or so on the prep time is only going to add to that, and sometimes giving cities more time to prep actually just gives them more time to spend money, plus it can effectively mean any allocated land for related projects (i.e. the Olympic Village) has to go an extra few years before it starts earning any money back.

 

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6 minutes ago, Brekkie Boy said:

I wouldn't be so sure about that.  Nobody but Brisbane seemed to know the 2032 bidding process had started when they were announced.

Also have to wonder whether such a long lead time between the host being announced and staging the games is a good idea.   The actual cost of course always comes in significantly above the cost at the time they bid - partly due to inflation, partly due to other issues.   An extra 4 years or so on the prep time is only going to add to that, and sometimes giving cities more time to prep actually just gives them more time to spend money, plus it can effectively mean any allocated land for related projects (i.e. the Olympic Village) has to go an extra few years before it starts earning any money back.

Bach himself said that the 2036 would be chosen after he retires in 2025.  So still a while to go before the 2036 host is elevated to Targeted Dialogue for possible election.

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CROWDED FIELD FOR 2036

Thursday 20 October 2022

IOC CONFIRMATION:    New Norm Host Selection Process

10 COUNTRIES CONFIRMED TO BE IN CONTINUOUS DIALOGUE WITH THE INTERNATIONAL OLYMPIC COMMITTEE FOR THE 2036 SUMMER GAMES

Confirmation too from the IOC that South Korea is one of these ten countries.

This report below from Inside The Games from one hour ago from 18:00 AEDT 20/19/2022:

 

 

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41 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

CROWDED FIELD FOR 2036

Thursday 20 October 2022

IOC CONFIRMATION:    New Norm Host Selection Process

10 COUNTRIES CONFIRMED TO BE IN CONTINUOUS DIALOGUE WITH THE INTERNATIONAL OLYMPIC COMMITTEE FOR THE 2036 SUMMER GAMES

Confirmation too from the IOC that South Korea is one of these ten countries.

This report below from Inside The Games from one hour ago from 18:00 AEDT 20/19/2022:

 

 

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@Brekkie Boy @____@Guilga@Olympics2028@Comped

 

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54 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

CROWDED FIELD FOR 2036

Thursday 20 October 2022

IOC CONFIRMATION:    New Norm Host Selection Process

10 COUNTRIES CONFIRMED TO BE IN CONTINUOUS DIALOGUE WITH THE INTERNATIONAL OLYMPIC COMMITTEE FOR THE 2036 SUMMER GAMES

Confirmation too from the IOC that South Korea is one of these ten countries.

This report below from Inside The Games from one hour ago from 18:00 AEDT 20/19/2022:

 

 

So there we go.     Officially a Crowded Field for 2036.

Today’s confirmation from the IOC Director-General Kristophe De Kepper that there are 10 countries in Continuous Dialogue the IOC Future Host Commission, and they are at different stages.

Disregarding your preferences of who will fall early and who you think will go deep into the new norm host selection process, I’m guessing that the full list of 10 countries are (purely in alphabetical order only and not ranked by their realistic chances or not - just my guesses of who the 10 are):

  1. Britain 2036
  2. Egypt 2036
  3. Germany 2036
  4. Hungary 2036
  5. India 2036
  6. Indonesia 2036
  7. Qatar 2036
  8. Mexico 2036
  9. South Korea 2036
  10. Turkey 2036

 

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The New Norm era in Olympic host selection really taking off for the Summer Games with this week’s IOC announcment that 10 countries are in Continuous Dialogue with the IOC Future Host Commission.

Great news for the future of the Olympic and Paralympic Games.

Interest in hosting the Olympic Winter Games is still sluggish bit in the New Norm era.

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On 10/20/2022 at 4:14 AM, AustralianFan said:

CROWDED FIELD FOR 2036

Thursday 20 October 2022

IOC CONFIRMATION:    New Norm Host Selection Process

10 COUNTRIES CONFIRMED TO BE IN CONTINUOUS DIALOGUE WITH THE INTERNATIONAL OLYMPIC COMMITTEE FOR THE 2036 SUMMER GAMES

Confirmation too from the IOC that South Korea is one of these ten countries.

This report below from Inside The Games from one hour ago from 18:00 AEDT 20/19/2022:

 

 

Well, we have here a process to future games, so these might not be just for 2036 or specifically targeting that date; it was said that the projects are in very different stages of development after all.

With that said, and only listing the known bidders mentioned on the article:

BRITAIN: London or Birmingham or bust.
SOUTH KOREA: It would be just 18 years since PyeongChang, but it would be a summer games in Seoul, last hosting in 1988. It would go hand in hand, if you allow that pun, to go for 2036 with a more pacifist message.
EGYPT: It would be awesome to have games in Africa, but there is a autocracy breeding there, and does the country have what it takes? Of course, nothing that good management (or Saudi money) can´t resolve.
GERMANY: Could be a favorite, but does they actually want it from the IOC? Does Germany want a olympics 100 years after that time in Berlin? That remains to be seen.
INDIA: If it doesn´t fall into a Hindu teocracy, could work if they manage it well...and get past the shadow of the 2010 Commonwealth Games.
INDONESIA: Could be cool, but nope. Capital´s Sinking and New Capital isn´t built yet; Indonesia, focus on geting the new capital ready first before you add a Olympics at it.
MEXICO: Good luck. Can work with a good management, and that´s key to all developing countries trying to host.
QATAR: GOOD LUCK TO YA WITH THE IOC´S TIME FRAME REQUIREMENTS! Nothing that a good bribe can´t fix but come on, the IOC is not FIFA. They wouldn´t get away with a summer games in Qatar. AT ALL.
 

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1 hour ago, Guilga said:

Well, we have here a process to future games, so these might not be just for 2036 or specifically targeting that date; it was said that the projects are in very different stages of development after all.

With that said, and only listing the known bidders mentioned on the article:

BRITAIN: London or Birmingham or bust.
SOUTH KOREA: It would be just 18 years since PyeongChang, but it would be a summer games in Seoul, last hosting in 1988. It would go hand in hand, if you allow that pun, to go for 2036 with a more pacifist message.
EGYPT: It would be awesome to have games in Africa, but there is a autocracy breeding there, and does the country have what it takes? Of course, nothing that good management (or Saudi money) can´t resolve.
GERMANY: Could be a favorite, but does they actually want it from the IOC? Does Germany want a olympics 100 years after that time in Berlin? That remains to be seen.
INDIA: If it doesn´t fall into a Hindu teocracy, could work if they manage it well...and get past the shadow of the 2010 Commonwealth Games.
INDONESIA: Could be cool, but nope. Capital´s Sinking and New Capital isn´t built yet; Indonesia, focus on geting the new capital ready first before you add a Olympics at it.
MEXICO: Good luck. Can work with a good management, and that´s key to all developing countries trying to host.
QATAR: GOOD LUCK TO YA WITH THE IOC´S TIME FRAME REQUIREMENTS! Nothing that a good bribe can´t fix but come on, the IOC is not FIFA. They wouldn´t get away with a summer games in Qatar. AT ALL.
 

I agree with most of what you said. 

Yes the IOC said the dialogue with the ten are for future games. Yes, true.

But this includes 2036 the obvious next Games Host to be selected.

This top ten are only my personal tips of who the top ten actually are.  So I’m only guessing that this is the actual IOC’s Top Ten and just in alphabetical order only:

  1. Britain 2036:   yes I agree, London was they cherry ripe candidate in my mind earlier but now I think a regional city or cities have quite a strong chance of emerging abd being the British Olympic Committee’s choice to back as UK’s candidature.
  2. Egypt 2036: I agree. Cairo would be the African continent’s first ever Olympic and Paralympic Games.  With them building an Olympic city as we speak and Bach’s recent visit there, they would be strong chance to be the break-through African candidature.
  3. Germany 2036:  it seems “reluctance” of a German 2036 Games has eased somewhat re the 100 years it would be since those 1936 Games. I think this anniversary obstacle thing can be overcome and I think that Munich and Rhine Rhur have very strong claims to be th DOSB candidate to back.  I personally think that Munich would edge Rhine Rhur as the candidate DOSB would win in an internal two-way contest.
  4. Hungary 2036:  they too have a strong chance and would have been encouraged by the public support of the IOC’s Juan Antonio Samaranch earlier this year.  Hungary recently hosted a highly praised editon of the FINA World Swimming Chamionships in Budapest. Again, would have to demonstrate how they can minimise building brand new venues unless they have an ongoing legacy use.
  5. India 2036:  aside from how to overcome the weather challenges of very heavy annual rains in July/August in Ahmedabad which seems to be India’s preferred Olympic city,  is the even bigger obstacle of the serious governance concerns the IOC have with the Indian National Olympic Committee.  The IOC recently moved the IOC Session this May out of Mumbai in India because of this. I dont think India has any chance of getting the 2036 until they get their own house in order.
  6. Indonesia 2036:  yes I agree, an interesting one.  Can an Olympics occur in a capital city which is only starting to be buit?  Yes it can  - if all the required infrstructure is in place for a successful Games, even the entire city itself is still being built in stages.  I think though their chances will be better in the 2040s.
  7. Mexico 2036:  strong chance. Host the Olympics in 1968 in Mexico City and is currently preparing to co-host the 2026 World Cup in Stadium Akron (Guadalajara), Azteca Stadium (Mexico City) and BBVA Bancomer Stadium (Monterrey).  Like all candidates under New Norm, Mexico will be asked to demonstrate how they can build as fewer new venues as possible in this sustainable Games era.
  8. Qatar 2036:  I agree, the deadly heat in the IOC’s unchanged July/August hosting window requirement will once again elminate  this candidature early in the peace, exaclty how it did not advance further for the 2032 Games.
  9. Seoul 2036:  yes, a strong chance. Might have a few IOC members a bit nervous about a threat from the north.  But yes, a very strong chance.
  10. Turkey 2036: has got a lot of infrastructure in place and is a regular bidder for the Games. There are a lot of questions about the current Turkish Government’s human rights record which does not sit comfortably with the recent unveiling of the IOC Strategic Framework on Human Rights which was several years in development. While Turkey would host a very successful Games, its a long rocky human rights road for them to traverse in convincing the IOC.
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16 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

I agree with most of what you said. 

Yes the IOC said the dialogue with the ten are for future games. Yes, true.

But this includes 2036 the obvious next Games Host to be selected.

This top ten are only my personal tips of who the top ten actually are.  So I’m only guessing that this is the actual IOC’s Top Ten and just in alphabetical order only:

  1. Britain 2036:   yes I agree, London was they cherry ripe candidate in my mind earlier but now I think a regional city or cities have quite a strong chance of emerging abd being the British Olympic Committee’s choice to back as UK’s candidature.
  2. Egypt 2036: I agree. Cairo would be the African continent’s first ever Olympic and Paralympic Games.  With them building an Olympic city as we speak and Bach’s recent visit there, they would be strong chance to be the break-through African candidature.
  3. Germany 2036:  it seems “reluctance” of a German 2036 Games has eased somewhat re the 100 years it would be since those 1936 Games. I think this anniversary obstacle thing can be overcome and I think that Munich and Rhine Rhur have very strong claims to be th DOSB candidate to back.  I personally think that Munich would edge Rhine Rhur as the candidate DOSB would win in an internal two-way contest.
  4. Hungary 2036:  they too have a strong chance and would have been encouraged by the public support of the IOC’s Juan Antonio Samaranch earlier this year.  Hungary recently hosted a highly praised editon of the FINA World Swimming Chamionships in Budapest. Again, would have to demonstrate how they can minimise building brand new venues unless they have an ongoing legacy use.
  5. India 2036:  aside from how to overcome the weather challenges of very heavy annual rains in July/August in Ahmedabad which seems to be India’s preferred Olympic city,  is the even bigger obstacle of the serious governance concerns the IOC have with the Indian National Olympic Committee.  The IOC recently moved the IOC Session this May out of Mumbai in India because of this. I dont think India has any chance of getting the 2036 until they get their own house in order.
  6. Indonesia 2036:  yes I agree, an interesting one.  Can an Olympics occur in a capital city which is only starting to be buit?  Yes it can  - if all the required infrstructure is in place for a successful Games, even the entire city itself is still being built in stages.  I think though their chances will be better in the 2040s.
  7. Mexico 2036:  strong chance. Host the Olympics in 1968 in Mexico City and is currently preparing to co-host the 2026 World Cup in Stadium Akron (Guadalajara), Azteca Stadium (Mexico City) and BBVA Bancomer Stadium (Monterrey).  Like all candidates under New Norm, Mexico will be asked to demonstrate how they can build as fewer new venues as possible in this sustainable Games era.
  8. Qatar 2036:  I agree, the deadly heat in the IOC’s unchanged July/August hosting window requirement will once again elminate  this candidature early in the peace, exaclty how it did not advance further for the 2032 Games.
  9. Seoul 2036:  yes, a strong chance. Might have a few IOC members a bit nervous about a threat from the north.  But yes, a very strong chance.
  10. Turkey 2036: has got a lot of infrastructure in place and is a regular bidder for the Games. There are a lot of questions about the current Turkish Government’s human rights record which does not sit comfortably with the recent unveiling of the IOC Strategic Framework on Human Rights which was several years in development. While Turkey would host a very successful Games, its a long rocky human rights road for them to traverse in convincing the IOC.

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