2036 Olympics: Crowded Field of Interested Parties

[AustralianFan]

20 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

11 years in advance of 2036 is 2025.  That's still 3 years away.  When exactly are you expecting a host announcement?  We all get there's no timetable anymore, but it has been less than a year since the 2032 host was made official.  So why do you assume there's going to be some sort of rush to get a 2036 host?  Because the IOC showed a willingness (*once*) to do it before?

Do we really have a high level of interest in hosting 2036?  Or do we just have a long list of "media reports" to go off of?  I think it's more of the latter than the former.  So maybe let's not act like the IOC has all the information they need and is ready to start down the path towards selecting a candidate.  Or that cities that need to be at the ready really soon or they risk getting left out.

I think you're still over-selling the interest level in these Olympics.  Again, look back at how many media reports there were for recent Olympic bids and you'll see it's not all that different from what we have now.  And we know how many viable bids that actually gave the IOC

You asked: “When exactly are you expecting a host announcement?”

• Los Angeles elected 2028 host in September 2017 - 11 years before the Games
• the Brisbane candidature elevated to Targeted Dialogue in Feb 2031, approved by the IOC Executive Board then elected in July 2021 in Tokyo - 11 years before the Games.
• A 2030 candidature/s to be elevated to Targeted Dialogue in December 2022, approved by the IOC Board then elected as host in May 2023 in Mumbai - 7 years before the Games
• A 2034 candidature or candidatures to be elevated to Targeted Dialogue, approved by the IOC Executuve Board and elected at some point between 2022 and 2027 (who knows if another double-awarding of 2030 and 2034 hosts occurs again if there are two of three high quality candidates who tick all the boxes and are ready, eg Sapporo, SLC, Vancouver?)
• A 2036 candidature or candidatures can be expected to be elevated to Targeted Dialogue at some point when ripe and ready between 2025 and 2029, approved by the IOC Executive Board and elected 6-7 months later.  So right now all we have is discussion on media reports of interested parties, as they are reported. That’s all, nothing more. We can only watch this space, speculate and comment.

 

[AustralianFan]

On 5/31/2022 at 4:55 AM, Chris_Mex said:

Sure they do if they have a reason to support em ehm...coates...samaranch...else why dont we have yet a host for 2030, if the US, Canada and Japan surely "ticks all boxes"?

They will do very soon.  This December 2022, the IOC said they expected to elevate a candidature/s to Targeted Dialogue ahead of a Host Election in May 2023.

[FYI]

“What on earth are you on about?”

”This thread is about the level of interest in hosting the 2036 Summer Games”, remember?! 
 

“You’re completely off-topic.”

If you want to talk about the 2030 Winter Games, “here is the link” to it:

https://www.gamesbids.com/forums/forum/138-2030-olympic-winter-games-bids/

But “this thread here that you are in now is about those interested in hosting the 2036 Summer Games”. 

[Quaker2001]

8 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

You asked: “When exactly are you expecting a host announcement?”

• Los Angeles elected 2028 host in September 2017 - 11 years before the Games
• the Brisbane candidature elevated to Targeted Dialogue in Feb 2031, approved by the IOC Executive Board then elected in July 2021 in Tokyo - 11 years before the Games.
• A 2030 candidature/s to be elevated to Targeted Dialogue in December 2022, approved by the IOC Board then elected as host in May 2023 in Mumbai - 7 years before the Games
• A 2034 candidature or candidatures to be elevated to Targeted Dialogue, approved by the IOC Executuve Board and elected at some point between 2022 and 2027 (who knows if another double-awarding of 2030 and 2034 hosts occurs again if there are two of three high quality candidates who tick all the boxes and are ready, eg Sapporo, SLC, Vancouver?)
• A 2036 candidature or candidatures can be expected to be elevated to Targeted Dialogue at some point when ripe and ready between 2025 and 2029, approved by the IOC Executive Board and elected 6-7 months later.  So right now all we have is discussion on media reports of interested parties, as they are reported. That’s all, nothing more. We can only watch this space, speculate and comment.

I did ask that and you gave me a very robotic answer.  I asked when *you* are expecting an announcement.  Not a generic boilerplate answer as to the widest range of when it might happen.  If you don't have an opinion on that, that's fine.  But you're the once who said "I think it’s more likely that a host will be elevated sooner rather later."  What are you defining as sooner?  Because 3 years away doesn't seem all that soon.

[AustralianFan]

6 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

I did ask that and you gave me a very robotic answer.  I asked when *you* are expecting an announcement.  Not a generic boilerplate answer as to the widest range of when it might happen.  If you don't have an opinion on that, that's fine.  But you're the once who said "I think it’s more likely that a host will be elevated sooner rather later."  What are you defining as sooner?  Because 3 years away doesn't seem all that soon.

In case you missed it the first time:

You asked: “When exactly are you expecting a host announcement?”

• Los Angeles elected 2028 host in September 2017 - 11 years before the Games
• the Brisbane candidature elevated to Targeted Dialogue in Feb 2031, approved by the IOC Executive Board then elected in July 2021 in Tokyo - 11 years before the Games.
• A 2030 candidature/s to be elevated to Targeted Dialogue in December 2022, approved by the IOC Board then elected as host in May 2023 in Mumbai - 7 years before the Games
• A 2034 candidature or candidatures to be elevated to Targeted Dialogue, approved by the IOC Executuve Board and elected at some point between 2022 and 2027 (who knows if another double-awarding of 2030 and 2034 hosts occurs again if there are two of three high quality candidates who tick all the boxes and are ready, eg Sapporo, SLC, Vancouver?)
• A 2036 candidature or candidatures can be expected to be elevated to Targeted Dialogue at some point when ripe and ready between 2025 and 2029, approved by the IOC Executive Board and elected 6-7 months later.  So right now all we have is discussion on media reports of interested parties, as they are reported. That’s all, nothing more. We can only watch this space, speculate and comment.

[AustralianFan]

6 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

I did ask that and you gave me a very robotic answer.  I asked when *you* are expecting an announcement.  Not a generic boilerplate answer as to the widest range of when it might happen.  If you don't have an opinion on that, that's fine.  But you're the once who said "I think it’s more likely that a host will be elevated sooner rather later."  What are you defining as sooner?  Because 3 years away doesn't seem all that soon.

 

3 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

In case you missed it the first time:

You asked: “When exactly are you expecting a host announcement?”

• Los Angeles elected 2028 host in September 2017 - 11 years before the Games
• the Brisbane candidature elevated to Targeted Dialogue in Feb 2031, approved by the IOC Executive Board then elected in July 2021 in Tokyo - 11 years before the Games.
• A 2030 candidature/s to be elevated to Targeted Dialogue in December 2022, approved by the IOC Board then elected as host in May 2023 in Mumbai - 7 years before the Games
• A 2034 candidature or candidatures to be elevated to Targeted Dialogue, approved by the IOC Executuve Board and elected at some point between 2022 and 2027 (who knows if another double-awarding of 2030 and 2034 hosts occurs again if there are two of three high quality candidates who tick all the boxes and are ready, eg Sapporo, SLC, Vancouver?)
• A 2036 candidature or candidatures can be expected to be elevated to Targeted Dialogue at some point when ripe and ready between 2025 and 2029, approved by the IOC Executive Board and elected 6-7 months later.  So right now all we have is discussion on media reports of interested parties, as they are reported. That’s all, nothing more. We can only watch this space, speculate and comment.

 

[Quaker2001]

1 hour ago, AustralianFan said:

In case you missed it the first time:

 

You asked: “When exactly are you expecting a host announcement?”

• Los Angeles elected 2028 host in September 2017 - 11 years before the Games
• the Brisbane candidature elevated to Targeted Dialogue in Feb 2031, approved by the IOC Executive Board then elected in July 2021 in Tokyo - 11 years before the Games.
• A 2030 candidature/s to be elevated to Targeted Dialogue in December 2022, approved by the IOC Board then elected as host in May 2023 in Mumbai - 7 years before the Games
• A 2034 candidature or candidatures to be elevated to Targeted Dialogue, approved by the IOC Executuve Board and elected at some point between 2022 and 2027 (who knows if another double-awarding of 2030 and 2034 hosts occurs again if there are two of three high quality candidates who tick all the boxes and are ready, eg Sapporo, SLC, Vancouver?)
• A 2036 candidature or candidatures can be expected to be elevated to Targeted Dialogue at some point when ripe and ready between 2025 and 2029, approved by the IOC Executive Board and elected 6-7 months later.  So right now all we have is discussion on media reports of interested parties, as they are reported. That’s all, nothing more. We can only watch this space, speculate and comment.

I didn't miss it the first time.  Or the second time or the third time.  Let's try this again since - perhaps not surprisingly - you think the answer to a specific question should be a 5 point recap including 4 lines I didn't ask for you to add as if we don't already know.

When *exactly* are you expecting a host announcement *for the 2036 Olympics*?  Key word.. exactly.  I'm not asking you to give me a precise date, but something a little more narrow than an exhaustive 4 year range of all possibilities would be appropriate.  When is "sooner rather than later" (your words) because "at some point when ripe and ready between 2025 and 2029" is the answer I'd get if I asked some AI bot that question.  When exactly is a prospective host city "at peril" (again, your questions) because the IOC will have selected a host already?

If you don't have any opinions to offer here, that's fine.  But it sounds like you do.  Apparently though you'd rather copy and paste the same garbage over and over in response to that.  Are you capable of addressing a single very simple question without adding paragraphs of additional and unnecessary space?

[AustralianFan]

5 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

I didn't miss it the first time.  Or the second time or the third time.  Let's try this again since - perhaps not surprisingly - you think the answer to a specific question should be a 5 point recap including 4 lines I didn't ask for you to add as if we don't already know.

When *exactly* are you expecting a host announcement *for the 2036 Olympics*?  Key word.. exactly.  I'm not asking you to give me a precise date, but something a little more narrow than an exhaustive 4 year range of all possibilities would be appropriate.  When is "sooner rather than later" (your words) because "at some point when ripe and ready between 2025 and 2029" is the answer I'd get if I asked some AI bot that question.  When exactly is a prospective host city "at peril" (again, your questions) because the IOC will have selected a host already?

If you don't have any opinions to offer here, that's fine.  But it sounds like you do.  Apparently though you'd rather copy and paste the same garbage over and over in response to that.  Are you capable of addressing a single very simple question without adding paragraphs of additional and unnecessary space?

If you don’t like the answer, don’t ask the question.  

Or you can ask the IOC directly yourself “exactly when”.

For the third and last time, I will repeat - the last paragraph:

[AustralianFan]

Interesting map posted on Reddit:

[StefanMUC]

Interesting map posted on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/terriblemaps/status/1513116858362339329?s=21&t=QL0hC5bBn3chtV-WAgvw2g

[Olympics2028]

^ I don't know if the weather there would be ideal for a summer games, but it may be good for a winter Olympics. Either way, a lot of infrastructure would be required. Personally, I think the Arctic would be a better possible site for the IOC. Maybe Siberia too.

[SportLightning]

I think Budapest, Hungary could be possible for 2036 Olympics.

[FYI]

^^ 'Maybe. We'll see'.

[Quaker2001]

1 hour ago, SportLightning said:

I think Budapest, Hungary could be possible for 2036 Olympics.

Hopefully the bid leaders have their act together the next time around or else it's not going to get off the ground

[StefanMUC]

3 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

Hopefully the bid leaders have their act together the next time around or else it's not going to get off the ground

As long as the current Füh…leader in Hungary is in power, they can stay on the ground, thank you very much.

[baron-pierreIV]

I think Barcelona will be a good compromise winner for 2036.  

[FYI]

Something tells me, though, that'd be over Madrid's dead body.

[Quaker2001]

9 minutes ago, FYI said:

Something tells me, though, that'd be over Madrid's dead body.

Agreed.  The parties that needed to come together for the 2030 bid couldn't make it work.  I can't imagine they'll convince Spain to go that route while Madrid is still looking to land their own Olympics.

[baron-pierreIV]

3 hours ago, FYI said:

Something tells me, though, that'd be over Madrid's dead body.

Well, yeah, but the IOC's spin would be that Barcelona wouldn't have to build new, giant venues -- hence, it would be an environmentally-responsible bid whereas another Madrid bid would be a megalomaniacal one which would not make the IOC look good.  Hence, I say re-using another successful past host would be good for the IOC's image.  Madrid should just go for a World's Fair.  They can let it run for 6 months!! 

Further, Barcelona would bring back memories of a successful, co-existent Games in the POST-Franco era.  Madrid would remind people that Spain's capital city was the dictator Franco's chosen city and that Franco was an inactive ally of Adolph Hitler whose Berlin 1936 Games no one would want to commemorate--least of all, the IOC.  Barcelona is the antithesis of the Franco-Fascist-Nazi days.  

That's why I say, Barcelona would make the perfect 2036 host!  OK, Madrid gets a football slot.  

Edited June 22, 2022 by baron-pierreIV

[AustralianFan]

Update on the crowded field of interested parties for the 2036 Olympics and Paralympics:

1. Mexico 2036 - Gamesbids.com - 26 Aug 2022
2. Germany 2036 - Gamesbids.com - 20 Aug 2022
3. Istanbul 2036 - Gamesbids.com - 14 Aug 2022
4. Nusantara 2036 - Gamesbids.com - 10 Aug 2022
5. Britain 2036 - Gamesbids.com - 21 July 2022
6. Copenhagen 2036 - Gamesbids.com - 12 April 2022
7. Cairo 2036 - Gamesbids.com - 4 Jan 2022
8. Ahmedabad 2036 - Gamesbids.com - 20 Nov 2021
9. Budapest 2036 - Gamesbids.com - 18 Dec 2021

 

 

 

 

 

[AustralianFan]

Further update on the crowded field of interested parties for the 2036 Olympics and Paralympics:

 

1. Mexico 2036 - Gamesbids.com - 26 Aug 2022
2. Saudi Arabia 2036 - Gamesbids.com - 23 Aug 2022
3. Germany 2036 - Gamesbids.com - 20 Aug 2022
4. Istanbul 2036 - Gamesbids.com - 14 Aug 2022
5. Nusantara 2036 - Gamesbids.com - 10 Aug 2022
6. Britain 2036 - Gamesbids.com - 21 July 2022
7. Qatar 2036 - Inside The Games - 15 April 2022
8. Copenhagen 2036 - Gamesbids.com - 12 April 2022
9. Cairo 2036 - Gamesbids.com - 4 Jan 2022
10. Budapest 2036 - Gamesbids.com - 18 Dec 2021
11. Ahmedabad 2036 - Gamesbids.com - 20 Nov 2021

[Comped]

24 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

Further update on the crowded field of interested parties for the 2036 Olympics and Paralympics:

 

 

1. Mexico 2036 - Gamesbids.com - 26 Aug 2022
2. Saudi Arabia 2036 - Gamesbids.com - 23 Aug 2022
3. Germany 2036 - Gamesbids.com - 20 Aug 2022
4. Istanbul 2036 - Gamesbids.com - 14 Aug 2022
5. Nusantara 2036 - Gamesbids.com - 10 Aug 2022
6. Britain 2036 - Gamesbids.com - 21 July 2022
7. Qatar 2036 - Inside The Games - 15 April 2022
8. Copenhagen 2036 - Gamesbids.com - 12 April 2022
9. Cairo 2036 - Gamesbids.com - 4 Jan 2022
10. Budapest 2036 - Gamesbids.com - 18 Dec 2021
11. Ahmedabad 2036 - Gamesbids.com - 20 Nov 2021

Surely most of these are not realistic contenders? Indonesia will not have their city built by then. Qatar and Saudi Arabia will be too hot in summer (and NBC (or whoever holds the US rights after them) will force it in summer). Cairo doesn't have the facilities, hotel rooms, or transport infrastructure, the same will sink the Indian and Budapest bids. Which leaves the UK, Mexico, Germany, Istanbul, and Copenhagen. Of those 4... Copenhagen and Istanbul are the most likely to drop off, due to their limited facilities, or in the case of Turkey, growing political issues. At least in my opinion.

[ulu]

8 minutes ago, Comped said:

Surely most of these are not realistic contenders? Indonesia will not have their city built by then. Qatar and Saudi Arabia will be too hot in summer (and NBC (or whoever holds the US rights after them) will force it in summer). Cairo doesn't have the facilities, hotel rooms, or transport infrastructure, the same will sink the Indian and Budapest bids. Which leaves the UK, Mexico, Germany, Istanbul, and Copenhagen. Of those 4... Copenhagen and Istanbul are the most likely to drop off, due to their limited facilities, or in the case of Turkey, growing political issues. At least in my opinion.

Mexico will be dropped in favour of a bid in the Europe/African timezone. They should focus on 2040.

[Comped]

1 minute ago, ulu said:

Mexico will be dropped in favour of a bid in the Europe/African timezone. They should focus on 2040.

Mexico has a chance, but it's too close to 2028 for it to be worth it - I'd say probably at least 2044 before they could actually have a shot at winning - but they're miles ahead of most of the interested parties on this list in terms of infrastructure, which has always been the biggest determinate. I think it's the UK's or Germany's to lose, especially if they stay out of London. Maybe Istanbul or Copenhagen, but I remain doubtful for the former for already stated reasons, and the latter would require a wider Scandinavian bid to truly work in my opinion.

[FYI]

2 hours ago, Comped said:

Surely most of these are not realistic contenders? 

If you've read this thread from the very beginning, you can see for yourself that the category of 'realistic contenders' does not matter whatsoever to the originator of this page. As long as there's so-called 'interest' from anywhere, then it's a "crowded field of interested parties". 

But in all seriousness, the one main element (before we even get into infrastructure, etc) that often seems to get overlooked here when looking at a general 2036 'list' like this one, is that more than half of them would be disqualified right from the get-go (either due to extreme heat or monsoon rains), by the simple fact that the IOC mandates that the Summer Olympics be held between July 15th-Aug. 31st. 

So when looking at it from that perspective (not to mention the IOC's UNofficial every 12-years Summer Games goes to Europe trend), this is Germany's to lose (if they really want it, that is). The U.K. while certainly capable, is just too soon, especially if it's London (yet) again.

The wildcard, I'd say, would have to be Istanbul. Geopolitically, would be a new-frontier for the IOC,  not to mention that it's summer climate would be the most moderate in the IOC's preferred time-window, in comparison to any of the other so-called new territories that would want to put themselves on the 2036 table.