baron-pierreIV Posted April 7, 2022 Report Share Posted April 7, 2022 . . . if they do not WITHDRAW from Ukraine and pay reparations to Ukraine. So, I'd say at least a decade before they can be trusted again. #2 - If the government doesn't behave, the IOC start to strip Russia of all its Olympic victories starting with Sochi 2014 -- and move everyone up! #3 - They should also pay for the revival and return of Ukraine's sporting infrastructure. What other sanctions do you think should be placed on RUssia AND Belarus to force them to act like human beings again?? Discuss! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexjc Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 Indeed that's a suitable punishment for Russia, but also include Belarus. However there is something worrying at the moment...Pretty much half the developing world "abstained" from UN voting against Russia's removal from the Human Rights Commission this week. Not the clear united front we all thought it would be. Russia has development monies tied up everywhere and half of it leads back to the giant in the east, China. This could have ramifications on anything the IOC will do...(Although Russian athletes are banned anyway because of doping.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexandRich Posted December 15, 2022 Report Share Posted December 15, 2022 This is the right decision, the country terrorist has no place in the civilized world and its activities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palette86 Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 Australian Open bans Russian, Belarusian flags after 'incident' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman530 Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 I wouldnt flinch if there was a 25-30 year ban. An entire generation needs to be banned and suffer for the abject stupidity of their nation. IDGAF if the actual third coming of Jesus took place in Russia. They need to feel the pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Mex Posted January 20, 2023 Report Share Posted January 20, 2023 21 hours ago, iceman530 said: I wouldnt flinch if there was a 25-30 year ban. An entire generation needs to be banned and suffer for the abject stupidity of their nation. IDGAF if the actual third coming of Jesus took place in Russia. They need to feel the pain. "Russians need to feel pain" and they said they were the rads , if russia pays for what they are doing in ukraine, then americans should pay for what they are doing in the middle east. Else we can stop putting on the table politics in sports. Its good to invade nations as long as it's part of our agenda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted January 20, 2023 Report Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) You know, you’re right. The west should also face greater scrutiny for some of it’s actions. But “whataboutism” is also no excuse to exonerate or let Russia off the hook for its transgressions. And even if we do try to confine grievances and sanctions purely to misdeeds in the sporting realm, Russia still acts unrepentant for it’s state-sponsored doping regime, and gives few signs it’s willing to commit to playing fair. Edited January 20, 2023 by Sir Rols 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman530 Posted January 22, 2023 Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 Precisely, I thought this was something that was abundantly obvious, but here we are playing "what about, what about, what about". Thats Russian trollism 101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted January 27, 2023 Report Share Posted January 27, 2023 Duncan McKay hits the nail on its head Duncan Mackay: IOC must decide whether they want Ukraine or Russia at Paris 2024, but they cannot have both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted January 27, 2023 Report Share Posted January 27, 2023 5 hours ago, Sir Rols said: Duncan McKay hits the nail on its head Duncan Mackay: IOC must decide whether they want Ukraine or Russia at Paris 2024, but they cannot have both Absolutely. If Ukraine decides to stay away, others will follow. In particular Poland and the Baltics for a start. But Fencing 1976 would just wash it off like he did react when all the capable faves for 2022 hosting got scared away by the IOC. Bach and his people are the undertakers of the Olympic movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulu Posted January 27, 2023 Report Share Posted January 27, 2023 Would EU countries seriously boycott an Olympics in France? That'd cause a pretty serious deterioration of relations with France and destabilise the EU. I don't see any countries with close ties to France boycotting. If it were hosted somewhere outside Europe yes but not in France. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted January 27, 2023 Report Share Posted January 27, 2023 (edited) Ukraine boycotting, I think would be a given. As Stefan said, Poland and the Baltics would be the next most likely to do so. As for the rest, who knows when push comes to shove? But one things for certain, there’s going to be some messy sh!t storm debates around the issue over the next year. Not the sort of PR the IOC would like. Edited January 27, 2023 by Sir Rols Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted January 27, 2023 Report Share Posted January 27, 2023 A boycott would just be playing right into you-know-who's hands. Does Ukraine (& it's immediate western neighbors) really want to give him that kind of satisfaction. I would also agree that it's hard to envision seeing any of the big E.U. states boycotting. The U.S. certainly wouldn't boycott, for two major reasons; a) France is a major U.S. ally, & b) Los Angeles 2028. The biggest message that can be sent, out of this whole thing, is Ukraine being at Paris 2024 regardless, & showing them absolute solidarity at the Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted January 27, 2023 Report Share Posted January 27, 2023 A boycott that is actually supported by athletes‘ organisations would be best. That would also shred Bach‘s „athletes should not suffer from politics“ bla bla into pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Mex Posted January 27, 2023 Report Share Posted January 27, 2023 1 hour ago, StefanMUC said: A boycott that is actually supported by athletes‘ organisations would be best. That would also shred Bach‘s „athletes should not suffer from politics“ bla bla into pieces. North Korea was banned from participating in Beijing 2022, due to their boycott to the Tokyo 2020 summer olympics. Given the case (I hope not) that ukraine or any other ukranian ally boycott the Paris 2024 summer olympics, there will be requested the same treatment into 2026 milano-cortina winter olympics. Not participating into two olympics editions is a high risk to pay for any nation, specially here in occident. So if ukraine decide to boycott the games, they will probably do it alone. How easy is competing in a world class event by deciding who do you want to compete against, will they also request automatic qualifications like for the FIFA world cup, or 5 minutes of the opening ceremony to deliver a message? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted January 27, 2023 Report Share Posted January 27, 2023 20 minutes ago, Chris_Mex said: North Korea was banned from participating in Beijing 2022, due to their boycott to the Tokyo 2020 summer olympics. Given the case (I hope not) that ukraine or any other ukranian ally boycott the Paris 2024 summer olympics, there will be requested the same treatment into 2026 milano-cortina winter olympics. Not participating into two olympics editions is a high risk to pay for any nation, specially here in occident. So if ukraine decide to boycott the games, they will probably do it alone. How easy is competing in a world class event by deciding who do you want to compete against, will they also request automatic qualifications like for the FIFA world cup, or 5 minutes of the opening ceremony to deliver a message? False equivalents. Nothing more to add to your constant pro-Russian argumentation over the last few months here. Bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krow Posted January 27, 2023 Report Share Posted January 27, 2023 i can't see the IOC doing anything except extending the ROC "compromise" indefinitely. i hope it leads to some disastrous consequences but the IOC is pretty good at calling everyone's bluff and coming out more or less unscathed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotguy II Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 It probably is not significant but i couldn't help notice that the two Aussie open champions (assuming Djokovic wins) will be from two of the countries still supporting Russia. So even with Russia officially banned from certain sports/events, their influence is still there at the most highest level of sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Scotguy II said: It probably is not significant but i couldn't help notice that the two Aussie open champions (assuming Djokovic wins) will be from two of the countries still supporting Russia. So even with Russia officially banned from certain sports/events, their influence is still there at the most highest level of sports. Djokovic’s actually Serbian. It’s his anti-vaxx stance rather than his nationality that’s been getting him booted out of countries and tournaments. Edited January 29, 2023 by Sir Rols Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotguy II Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Sir Rols said: Djokovic’s actually Serbian. It’s his anti-vaxx stance rather than his nationality that’s been getting him booted out of countries and tournaments. Yeah i know mate, but Serbia is still very close with Russia https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-politics-europe-serbia-european-union-6deaa57230993b02e7a67f57693bf7f2 Serbia remains the only European country besides Belarus that has refused to introduce sanctions against Russia, its Slavic ally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 Russia‘s influence didn‘t make Sabalenka or Djoković win their matches though. Anyway, not sure about her views, but he and his entourage are really annoying pricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 (edited) Personally, I think Djokovic’s a dick (and his Dad a pan-Slav fascist), but at the end of the day, Serbia are not sanctioned. Don’t know much about Sabalenka either, but she is basically competing under the IOC formula - a supposed “neutral” athlete. And yes, I’m sure how she’s going to be feted back in Belorussia will show just how hollow that is. What’s going to be interesting is how Wimbledon approaches he Russia question this year. Edited January 29, 2023 by Sir Rols Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotguy II Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 3 hours ago, StefanMUC said: Russia‘s influence didn‘t make Sabalenka or Djoković win their matches though. Anyway, not sure about her views, but he and his entourage are really annoying pricks. During her post match press conference Sabalenka was asked about the flag thing to which she replied that at the end of the day she is still a Belarussian athlete. Not sure if she is Just being patriotic to her country or subtly showing her true beliefs in the current political situation. Hopefully the first. Novak is a true great but unlike Nadal and roger he is a pure dickhead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 This is going very wrong for the IOC, though they will deny it. https://smsm.lrv.lt/en/news/baltic-states-and-poland-condemn-the-efforts-to-bring-back-the-athletes-of-russia-and-belarus-into-international-competitions Meanwhile in Germany, DOSB (unsurprisingly, hello next bid!) supports the IOC position while athletes‘ organisation and government are not happy with it. Apparently, the govt as major funder of sports has already threatened to withhold funds for the German chess association because they‘re still in international competitions with Russians. Which means the DOSB is now also again in a very uncomfortable position if it wants to pursue another bid for which inevitably govt support is necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2012 Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 6 hours ago, StefanMUC said: Apparently, the govt as major funder of sports has already threatened to withhold funds for the German chess association because they‘re still in international competitions with Russians. Defunding your own competitors is taking things to extremes isn't it? Not sure who that's meant to hurt...hmmmm.... Oh well, they'll have to find some other funding source for their anal beads. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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