Spain abandons Madrid 2036 Olympic bid to focus on possible Pyrenees-Barcelona 2030 Winter Games

[GBModerator]

Spanish Olympic Committee (COE) president Alejandro Blanco confirmed Wednesday that plans for a Madrid 2036 Olympic Games bid have been abandoned on the advice of the International Olympic Committee (IOC) who believe Spain will have a better shot at hosting the 2030 Winter Games instead. “I have had several meetings with the mayor of Madrid […]

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[Guilga]

The IOC made a advice that might become a fools play with that winter bid...if it can even manage to progress trough the working stages, it is.

[baron-pierreIV]

I think the IOC will name the 2030 host by the 2023 IOC Session in Mumbai because there is NO OTHER great Dramatic event for that Session which would otherwise be dominated by India's hopes and dreams to host someday.  They wouldn't want to wait until Paris 2024 because it is NEVER the IOC's intention to draw attention away from their major show.  

[munichfan]

1 hour ago, baron-pierreIV said:

I think the IOC will name the 2030 host by the 2023 IOC Session in Mumbai because there is NO OTHER great Dramatic event for that Session which would otherwise be dominated by India's hopes and dreams to host someday.

That does seem like a legit strategy.

I'm wondering if they are still in fear of a Sapporo dropout and might even keep this bid warm somehow as an option to get USOPC their favoured 2034 version. It might just be tactics, though. Like, keep them warm and once 2030 and 34 are done, you could still resettle to a Madrid summer bid if needed.

[baron-pierreIV]

1 minute ago, munichfan said:

That does seem like a legit strategy.

I'm wondering if they are still in fear of a Sapporo dropout and might even keep this bid warm somehow as an option to get USOPC their favoured 2034 version. It might just be tactics, though. Like, keep them warm and once 2030 and 34 are done, you could still resettle to a Madrid summer bid if needed.

It seems like the IOC is holding the door open for any-other-bid (but Salt Lake) until the last minute out of deference to LA 2028 who already gave up their spot for 2024 and would prefer that the next OG on US soil would at least be in 2034 - if they had their druthers.  But if by 2023, no one viable comes forward, then it will have to be a bitter pill for LA to swallow.  

[SportLightning]

1 hour ago, munichfan said:

That does seem like a legit strategy.

I'm wondering if they are still in fear of a Sapporo dropout and might even keep this bid warm somehow as an option to get USOPC their favoured 2034 version. It might just be tactics, though. Like, keep them warm and once 2030 and 34 are done, you could still resettle to a Madrid summer bid if needed.

Yep. While Sapporo could be awarded 2030.

[FYI]

It seems that JAS JR. is just working overtime for this. Probably hoping that Sapporo gets derailed, so he can then prop this up, yet he fails to, or won't, see that the Pyrennees bid also faces domestic opposition of it's own. Right now, it really doesn't mean much for them to tell Madrid to stay put. Since as soon as it's convenient for the IOC, they'd change their tune on a dime.

[iceman530]

sighhhh........welp, that was a summer bid I liked, and we are left with a winter bid that looks pretty tragic instead.

[FYI]

Blame it on JAS JR.

[yoshi]

Further to what I said in the other thread yesterday, I wonder if this might actually transform into a Barcelona 2036 Summer bid in the end. With Bach's favoured candidate now somewhat...gone, it's in Europe, in a country that's historically been enthusiastic about Olympics bids (crazily so - Seville 2004?!), almost games ready, no baggage, a HUGE amount easier than Madrid would be...I think only Istanbul could provide serious competition tbh barring a miracle. If Spain's Olympic ambition is genuine and not just regional infighting I think they'd be truly crazy not to try. 

[baron-pierreIV]

I think a Barcelona 2036 would be very attractive -- and it would actually be a century from when they lost the bid to Berlin for 1936 -- the year of the Dictators!!

Madrid can have one of those Eucharistic Congresses in exchange.  

[FYI]

Is Madrid really going to be that happy to just give up it's Olympic ambitions that easily, to it's Catalan neighbor yet again? Cause according to Alejandro Blanco, head of the SOC, "the dream of Madrid shouldn't disappear". 

[Sir Rols]

1 hour ago, FYI said:

It seems that JAS JR. is just working overtime for this. Probably hoping that Sapporo gets derailed, so he can then prop this up, yet he fails to, or won't, see that the Pyrennees bid also faces domestic opposition of it's own. Right now, it really doesn't mean much for them to tell Madrid to stay put. Since as soon as it's convenient for the IOC, they'd change their tune on a dime.

I think you’re onto it here. At the moment, the IOC isn’t much concerned with a summer bid 14 years off. They’d love, however, to have a “host of interested parties” for 2030, and at the moment Madrid is distracting from that. By the time the need to look for a 2036 host gets closer, Madrid may not look too unattractive. 

[StefanMUC]

5 hours ago, yoshi said:

Further to what I said in the other thread yesterday, I wonder if this might actually transform into a Barcelona 2036 Summer bid in the end. With Bach's favoured candidate now somewhat...gone, it's in Europe, in a country that's historically been enthusiastic about Olympics bids (crazily so - Seville 2004?!), almost games ready, no baggage, a HUGE amount easier than Madrid would be...I think only Istanbul could provide serious competition tbh barring a miracle. If Spain's Olympic ambition is genuine and not just regional infighting I think they'd be truly crazy not to try. 

As long as Catalunya is still part of Spain, I can‘t see the/any Spanish govt supporting a second Barcelona Summer Games if Madrid didn‘t have a first one yet.

[FYI]

34 minutes ago, StefanMUC said:

As long as Catalunya is still part of Spain, I can‘t see the/any Spanish govt supporting a second Barcelona Summer Games if Madrid didn‘t have a first one yet.

Exactly. The ones bolstering about a second Barcelona Summer Games, just don't seem to understand that Madrid's Olympic ambitions stem from wanting to outdo Barcelona ever since 1992, hence their three consecutive Summer Olympic bids (2012, 2016 & 2020). As I mentioned the other day in another thread, but a second Barcelona Summer Olympics would happen over Madrid's dead body.

[Australian Kiwi]

I find it perplexing that over the course of the last few decades Madrid went in guns blazing with hopes of hosting Spain's second Olympics by targeting editions that they stood very, very little chance of hosting (with perhaps a slight exception of 2020). Then when there was an opportunity (2032 - a neat 40 years after 1992) they didn't act. Were they disinterested? Or was the New Normal process engineered to blindside the likes of Madrid? 

They would have had it in the bag. 

[baron-pierreIV]

7 hours ago, Australian Kiwi said:

I find it perplexing that over the course of the last few decades Madrid went in guns blazing with hopes of hosting Spain's second Olympics by targeting editions that they stood very, very little chance of hosting (with perhaps a slight exception of 2020). Then when there was an opportunity (2032 - a neat 40 years after 1992) they didn't act. Were they disinterested? Or was the New Normal process engineered to blindside the likes of Madrid? 

They would have had it in the bag. 

The key is Spain and Madrid don't need ANOTHER 80,000 T&F stadium.  Actually 2036 I feel would be an opportune time for a Barcelona II.  Those were Good Games; they engendered a lot of good feelings.  Only problem is Madrid has this rivalry with the #2 City and, of course, the uncertainty of a free and independent Catalonia restrains the full backing of the Madrid-centric SOC.  

[FYI]

7 hours ago, Australian Kiwi said:

I find it perplexing that over the course of the last few decades Madrid went in guns blazing with hopes of hosting Spain's second Olympics by targeting editions that they stood very, very little chance of hosting (with perhaps a slight exception of 2020).

You should've been here during those bid races then. Since the feisty (to put it mildly) Castellanos on here at the time, especially for the 2020 race, didn't think that at all. They thought they had 'in the bag' back then. 

8 hours ago, Australian Kiwi said:

Then when there was an opportunity (2032 - a neat 40 years after 1992) they didn't act. Were they disinterested? Or was the New Normal process engineered to blindside the likes of Madrid? 

They would have had it in the bag. 

Apparently, it was all that Olympic bidding fatigue that did them in. They spent all their fight in bid races that weren't really in their favor (particularly 2012 & 2016). I remember around a couple of years ago or so, they came out & said that they only wanted to present another bid in the future, if there were certain 'indications' (I think is how they phrased it) of winning. 

And virtually all of us should know by now (well, except for a few certain individuals) that 2032 was pretty much engineered for the likes of a certain other "B"-city (even articles from this site, & elsewhere, have indicated as such), moreso than engineered against any other city. And now, only out of convenience for the IOC for the time being, Madrid is being told to not to bother. But that could very well change on a whim, once the 2030 race is all said & done.

[Chris_Mex]

9 hours ago, Australian Kiwi said:

I find it perplexing that over the course of the last few decades Madrid went in guns blazing with hopes of hosting Spain's second Olympics by targeting editions that they stood very, very little chance of hosting (with perhaps a slight exception of 2020). Then when there was an opportunity (2032 - a neat 40 years after 1992) they didn't act. Were they disinterested? Or was the New Normal process engineered to blindside the likes of Madrid? 

They would have had it in the bag. 

2024 would've gone to Madrid if they had presented a bid, also if that happened we'd be probably talking about last year election of LA as olympic host 2028 and not Brisbane in 2032

 

 

[FYI]

12 minutes ago, Chris_Mex said:

2024 would've gone to Madrid if they had presented a bid, 

What is your basis for this? Because I don't see it.

In addition to Olympic fatigue, I think Madrid knew that they wouldn't have won against Paris. And once the French presented it's 2024 bid, Madrid didn't bother anymore.

14 minutes ago, Chris_Mex said:

also if that happened we'd be probably talking about last year election of LA as olympic host 2028 and not Brisbane in 2032

That you maybe right about. Since that would've meant that there still would've left two 'losers' instead of one, to have been able to award a double back in 2017. That was always the outlier of a double when Budapest was still in the race, when they were the last ones to withdraw after they're failed referendum. But the ultimate 2024 winner still would've been Paris regardless.

[2018]

I wonder why the IOC would tell Madrid to not waste their time with 2036, unless they had a bid so far advanced that there would be no point. Germany perhaps? They were bidding for 2032 and could have pivoted to 2036. But would the IOC want a 100 year anniversary hanging over these games? probably not? The only other bid I could see the IOC preferring over Madrid is the mooted Toronto/Montreal bid from last year, but surely that bid is not well developed...

 

 

[FYI]

It has much more to do with JAS JR. wanting to prop-up the Barcelona-Pyrenees 2030 Winter Olympic bid, than with anything else.

The IOC still has to pick a 2030 host than for them to be worrying about 2036 at this point in time anyway. 

[AliciasBlade]

1 hour ago, 2018 said:

I wonder why the IOC would tell Madrid to not waste their time with 2036, unless they had a bid so far advanced that there would be no point. Germany perhaps? They were bidding for 2032 and could have pivoted to 2036. But would the IOC want a 100 year anniversary hanging over these games? probably not? The only other bid I could see the IOC preferring over Madrid is the mooted Toronto/Montreal bid from last year, but surely that bid is not well developed...

 

 

This is gonna go off-topic but what even happened with the Toronto/Montreal bid?

[Chris_Mex]

52 minutes ago, AliciasBlade said:

This is gonna go off-topic but what even happened with the Toronto/Montreal bid?

More off topic, how would it be received a 2036 Holland, The Netherlands regional bid? You could use venues from both rotterdam and Amsterdam, and it would make a great excuse for building a new feyernord stadium in Rotterdam

[StefanMUC]

3 hours ago, Chris_Mex said:

More off topic, how would it be received a 2036 Holland, The Netherlands regional bid? You could use venues from both rotterdam and Amsterdam, and it would make a great excuse for building a new feyernord stadium in Rotterdam

I‘ve said it somewhere after the Dutch successes in Tokyo that this could very much make sense. They should have many venues & infrastructure in place already. As a concept, quite similar to the neighbouring Rhine-Ruhr 2032 bid really.

Then again, Rotterdam already feared the costs of a European Games some years ago…