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5 hours ago, Bear said:

Is Canada appealing the new ISU rankings? they definitely should because this is totally wrong on so many levels

Skate Canada and the COC have stated they are exploring their legal options.  I fully expect an appeal to be filed.

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This is what I have always held all along.  DO NOT award medals until the results are solid as stone so you don't have to go around collecting the earlier rewards medals -- if the athletes give them back -- and then, if the names had already been engraved on them -- those are just going back to the vaults -- and new ones will have to be minted.  At least the Beijing Org Committee/probably the IOC now holds all the mint medals originally destined to be awarded in Beijing 2 years ago.  

This is quite a saga.  

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I always thought that Team Event was stupid and unnecessary.  Sure enough, it's turned out to be a millstone around the ISU and IOC's necks.  Now, if Russia and Canada will both contest who truly gets 3rd place -- this thing will have NO end. 

If Russia finally gets to keep bronze, how will their FS team attend Paris (if the Russian flag is still banned)?  Really awkward.  Boston 2025 would then be the next best venue -- and a good lead-up to Milano-C 2026, but an ROC delegation might just make a token appearance there -- but still with the Olympic flag flying.  I say ditch the IDIOTIC Team event forever.   

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But aren't appeals in this matter yet to cast by the other parties involved? And wouldn't it be more appropriate, it they want an Olympic medal ceremony, that it should be at Milan 2026 instead (the next WINTER Olympics)? 

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17 hours ago, FYI said:

But aren't appeals in this matter yet to cast by the other parties involved? And wouldn't it be more appropriate, it they want an Olympic medal ceremony, that it should be at Milan 2026 instead (the next WINTER Olympics)? 

Well, at least they could tell that they recived a Winter Olympic Gold (adult) in the year of the WOGs centenary, i guess? But, yeah, still have to check the appeals first.

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19 hours ago, FYI said:

But aren't appeals in this matter yet to cast by the other parties involved? And wouldn't it be more appropriate, it they want an Olympic medal ceremony, that it should be at Milan 2026 instead (the next WINTER Olympics)? 

I get their desire to have this happen as soon as possible, but the ISU has no presence at the Summer Olympics.  They want a medal ceremony there alongside the other 300 they're going to have there?  Do it at the figure skating world championships.  At least there you have the sport's entire community there to celebrate the moment

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8 hours ago, Guilga said:

Well, at least they could tell that they recived a Winter Olympic Gold (adult) in the year of the WOGs centenary, i guess? But, yeah, still have to check the appeals first.

not to mention the first winter games were in France, making the significance of holding a ceremony during Paris 2024 much more meaningful. but yeah, probably won't happen

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On 12/30/2023 at 1:28 AM, Quaker2001 said:

I see someone has been seduced by Hamas propaganda.  There is no apartheid in Israel.  Jews and Arabs live peacefully side by side and both are allowed to thrive.  As opposed to in Gaza where the leadership chooses to let their people suffer.  The population in Palestine has been steadily increasing for decades.  How is that a genocide?

Fortunately for those who like playing the whataboutism game and making false equivalences, we have an article to cover that topic for you..

IOC's ban on Russia cannot be compared with Israel situation

Sorry this is outright garbage information. 

Israel has suppressed and denegrated the rights of the Palestinian people and access to their own land/resources for decades. 

You put people in an open air prison for decades and then gasp when they don't turn out as pacifists. 

Israel is in a mess entirely of its own making. 

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Simplifying much?

Israeli governments, especially after Rabin’s assassination, were horrible. That does not justify in any way what Hamas did.

Maybe Gaza was an “open air prison”. Certainly for most of its population that was denied democratic votes by Hamas since 2007. Certainly not for those able to build tunnel networks or launch thousands of rockets with the aim to eradicate Israel.

It’s not all black and white.

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10 hours ago, Australian Kiwi said:

Sorry this is outright garbage information. 

Israel has suppressed and denegrated the rights of the Palestinian people and access to their own land/resources for decades. 

You put people in an open air prison for decades and then gasp when they don't turn out as pacifists. 

Israel is in a mess entirely of its own making. 

Who is the "you" here?  The people of Gaza don't have to be in an open air prison, but when Hamas (and terrorist organizations that have preceded them) continue to lob rockets into Israel, what should the response be?  No one is gasping that Gazans have become militants.  That's exactly what Hamas wants.. for their people to become resistance fighters and re-affirm the mission statement of "from the river to the sea" which is an open call to kill Jews.  And then they'll spin it so that people like yourself are sympathetic to their cause, exactly like Hamas wants you to think so they can paint Israel as the bad guys.

You're 100% right about the living conditions in Gaza.  And that's not the fault of the people of Gaza, but rather their leadership.  They *choose* to fight this conflict despite numerous opportunities to settle, mostly because they refuse to acknowledge Israel's existence.  So we have this, lest anyone think it's only about Israel...

 

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On 2/4/2024 at 7:14 AM, Guilga said:

Well, at least they could tell that they recived a Winter Olympic Gold (adult) in the year of the WOGs centenary, i guess? But, yeah, still have to check the appeals first.

That's just the US Fig Skate atheltes talking.  While, in essence, if Paris 2024 will allow them to have, say, just a Gold Medal ceremony, it could happen -- and I get the 2024 Centennary but of the WOGs in Chamonix -- not in Paris.  It would look woefully out of place at the Place de la Concorde . . . or wherever some of the world's press might gather.  The appropriate moment might be before the Handover moment to LA 28 at the CLosing.  But it would still woefully out of place -- and jsut awarding even the US and Jap Figure Skating reams --- WITHOUT the bronze medal winning team (OK, still on appeal) makes it look like an incomplete moment.  People will TALK about the missing 3rd place . . . not the US and Japanese skaters who are there. 

I'd say the next ISU Worlds in Boston in March 2025 (if the 3rd place has been adjudicated) should be the NEXT BEST appropriate moment to close the badly mangled saga once and for all.  (And again, if it's Russia for bronze but they are not FULLY participating in the Worlds, I guess a token presence might be there.) 

I just checked the ISU page -- no new developments.  That means Canada will be lodging a complaint and now it's up to the ISU to solve the bronze medal status once and for all.  You bet whatever the decision will be -- two of their bigger players will NOT be happy.  

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On 2/8/2024 at 9:49 PM, StefanMUC said:

Simplifying much?

Israeli governments, especially after Rabin’s assassination, were horrible. That does not justify in any way what Hamas did.

Maybe Gaza was an “open air prison”. Certainly for most of its population that was denied democratic votes by Hamas since 2007. Certainly not for those able to build tunnel networks or launch thousands of rockets with the aim to eradicate Israel.

It’s not all black and white.

Of course its not black and white. 

Israel is not some benevolent by-standing victim that the bulk of the main stream western media painted it to be in the first few weeks after October. Its not about freeing hostages, its about a land grab to establish more land for settlers. 

Israel's Government (especially under Netenyahu) is very skilled at dehumanising people to the point at which people accept their deaths and injuries are just a fait accompli. The west has cosigned them to wage genocide (at worst) or a clumsy and vindictive military campaign (at best) that has resulted in the deaths of upwards of 25,000 people in four months.  It, along with the United States, UK and their minions (including Australia) have created conditions that have led to decades of conflict. 

I'm not justifying what Hamas did. Israelis deserve to live in peace and safety. I'm just pointing out that what happened last October does not exist in a vacuum. The establishment of Israel did not happen in a vacuum. The world is still paying the price for German fascism and British imperialism. 

 

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3 hours ago, Sir Rols said:

I’m hesitant to continue the Israel debate here, but a pretty good perspective from Jens Weinreich, who’s not exactly noted for ever straying too far from the left:

Calls for Israel to be banned from the Olympics: influenced by ideological-religious whataboutism

Spot on.  Good read, thank you for sharing.

The point I keep making and this thread exemplifies that is it seems the majority of calls to sanction Israel stem from actions taken against Russia.  It's rarely a situation where their situation is viewed on their own.  It's almost always "well Russia got punished, but Israel did way worse, so punish them worse."  Which of course completely ignores the nuances of Russia using sports as a propaganda tool.

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1 hour ago, Australian Kiwi said:

Of course its not black and white. 

Israel is not some benevolent by-standing victim that the bulk of the main stream western media painted it to be in the first few weeks after October. Its not about freeing hostages, its about a land grab to establish more land for settlers. 

Israel's Government (especially under Netenyahu) is very skilled at dehumanising people to the point at which people accept their deaths and injuries are just a fait accompli. The west has cosigned them to wage genocide (at worst) or a clumsy and vindictive military campaign (at best) that has resulted in the deaths of upwards of 25,000 people in four months.  It, along with the United States, UK and their minions (including Australia) have created conditions that have led to decades of conflict. 

I'm not justifying what Hamas did. Israelis deserve to live in peace and safety. I'm just pointing out that what happened last October does not exist in a vacuum. The establishment of Israel did not happen in a vacuum. The world is still paying the price for German fascism and British imperialism. 

And what's the alternative?  Stop supporting Israel and let their enemies destroy them?

Thank you for reminding us that Hitler was bad.  And that his attempt at an ACTUAL genocide (not the one Hamas wants you to believe in the cause of) has long-lasting ramifications.  But you know what.. not going to get into that here, because again, this is the Russia thread.  Which has nothing to do with Israel.  If someone wants to start an Israel thread and discuss their situation and what that might mean for the Paris 2024 Olympics, go for it.  Discussing it more here is more fodder than their place at the Olympics is only being viewed through the lens of Russia

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9 minutes ago, Quaker2001 said:

And what's the alternative?  Stop supporting Israel and let their enemies destroy them?

Holding Israel to account actions and human rights violations is "letting their enemies destroy them"? Good grief. 

9 minutes ago, Quaker2001 said:

 

Thank you for reminding us that Hitler was bad.  And that his attempt at an ACTUAL genocide (not the one Hamas wants you to believe in the cause of) has long-lasting ramifications.  But you know what.. not going to get into that here, because again, this is the Russia thread.  Which has nothing to do with Israel.  If someone wants to start an Israel thread and discuss their situation and what that might mean for the Paris 2024 Olympics, go for it.  Discussing it more here is more fodder than their place at the Olympics is only being viewed through the lens of Russia

Its actually got a lot to do with Russia. 

Countries like Russia and China present an existential threat to the US and the EU. The IOC, which draws heavily on notions of modern Olympism, is derived heavily from Western Christian values. The IOC can talk a bit game on international brotherhood all it wants but ultimately the event is very much a product of the Western world, and the frame in which the rest of the world presents itself to the West (which was in essence what Beijing 2008 was all about "do you like me now?").

Russia (rightly) has been restricted from competing in international sports due to its invasion and war crimes in Ukraine. I'd say if China ever made a move on Taiwan, the same restrictions would be applied to the PRC. If any other non-Western country committed the violence that Israel has undertaken in the last few months they'd be out of the Olympics. Roundly condemned. Sanctions. Goners. But because Israel has the backing of the US, it can basically do whatever it wants without the fear of the kinds of sanctions Russia has received for its atrocities in Ukraine. This is hypocritical when the United States and its allies have a long history of committing war crimes and ignoring demands from the international community (eg, the UN, ICJ,etc) and yet have never once had any serious risk of being barred from international competition. Its hypocrisy and what the US has enabled in Gaza shows how it has absolutely no moral footing to lecture Russia and China on their abuses. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Quaker2001 said:

And what's the alternative?  Stop supporting Israel and let their enemies destroy them?

it says A LOT of who you are as a person when you think that calling for an end to the catastrophic human rights abuses, and the deaths of thousands of civilians equals letting Israel be destroyed...

for someone claiming that we are letting ourselves be consumed by propaganda, you sure seem to consume enormous amounts of propaganda yourself...

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12 minutes ago, Australian Kiwi said:

Its actually got a lot to do with Russia. 

Countries like Russia and China present an existential threat to the US and the EU. The IOC, which draws heavily on notions of modern Olympism, is derived heavily from Western Christian values. The IOC can talk a bit game on international brotherhood all it wants but ultimately the event is very much a product of the Western world, and the frame in which the rest of the world presents itself to the West (which was in essence what Beijing 2008 was all about "do you like me now?").

Russia (rightly) has been restricted from competing in international sports due to its invasion and war crimes in Ukraine. I'd say if China ever made a move on Taiwan, the same restrictions would be applied to the PRC. If any other non-Western country committed the violence that Israel has undertaken in the last few months they'd be out of the Olympics. Roundly condemned. Sanctions. Goners. But because Israel has the backing of the US, it can basically do whatever it wants without the fear of the kinds of sanctions Russia has received for its atrocities in Ukraine. This is hypocritical when the United States and its allies have a long history of committing war crimes and ignoring demands from the international community (eg, the UN, ICJ,etc) and yet have never once had any serious risk of being barred from international competition. Its hypocrisy and what the US has enabled in Gaza shows how it has absolutely no moral footing to lecture Russia and China on their abuses. 

Thank you for proving Rols point about ideological whataboutism.  Yes, the IOC is mostly a Western institution, but they handed the keys to the kingdom to China for 2008 in hopes they could show off a new face to the world.  Beijing getting a second Olympics is the ultimate "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me" scenario.  They promised to clean up their human rights record, only to have it get worse in just 14 years presenting an Olympics with the backdrop of another actual genocide.  The whole concept of one fifth of humanity rings pretty hollow right now.  They want to play by their own rules and hopefully will be shut out of hosting the Olympics for a long time as a result.  Won't get the World Cup either now that FIFA so desperately wants to get in bed with Saudi Arabia.

Yes, Russia has rightfully been sanctioned.  Should have been more from the doping scandal, but the IOC's desire for an attempt at diplomacy wound up with a bunch of half measures that in hindsight feel like a slap on the wrist.  And it handed us the mess that of figure skating in 2022 which the IOC wants to try to wash their hands of, but we'll still be smelling that stink in 2 years when we're in Milano-Cortina.

The problem with Russia is that there have been clear attempts on multiple occasions to use sport as propaganda.  They tried to cheat in Sochi and thought they could get away with it.  And they used that Olympics to begin a fight with Ukraine that never really stopped and has continued for a decade.  They'll parade their athletes as fodder to start the war, which follows from the fact that the sports system and the military in Russia are often one in the same.  It is a unique situation that is not replicated anywhere else in the world.  So therefore, creating a hypothetical is not really apples to apples here.

You're probably right that if China took military action against Taiwan, it wouldn't look good for them in the eyes of the IOC.  We know that was a hot button issue in the early 80s.  But if you're going to try and compare that to Israel, you can't pretend like Israel one day wanted to lay siege on Gaza rather than being provoked into an offensive, even if yes that offensive is over-stepping its bounds because of the leadership of the country.  Ask yourself this question.. if that situation happened 5 years ago, are we talking about them being sanctioned by the IOC?  I sincerely doubt it.  That's not hypocrisy or double standards there.  That's to acknowledge that it is incomparable with what's happening in Russia.  I know it's easier to paint a picture that this is about Western standards and to retroactively ask "well why wasn't the US sanctioned from the 2004 Olympics?"  Once again, we've had 20 years to ask that question. 

Why do you suppose only now is it being brought back to light?  It's certainly not for a lack of people who during the 2022 games were saying wait until 2028 and we'll tell you about a country committing human rights abuses!  To me, that's just a manifestation of the nationalistic social media world we live in where people just want to yell and scream that everyone else is the bad guy.  It's a big part of why the Olympics are going to continue to struggle to maintain traction in the 21st century.  Not just because of costs or climate change, but by the fact that what once was a wonderous thing to see nations compete against each other now has to be a part of some greater political discussion that we all can't seem to avoid.  It makes me laugh at the people online who say "sports shouldn't be political" which probably includes a lot of Americans who forget what it meant to beat the Soviets on the ice in 1980 and how it was much more than a game

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11 minutes ago, Bear said:

it says A LOT of who you are as a person when you think that calling for an end to the catastrophic human rights abuses, and the deaths of thousands of civilians equals letting Israel be destroyed...

for someone claiming that we are letting ourselves be consumed by propaganda, you sure seem to consume enormous amounts of propaganda yourself...

Save some straw for the cows and the sheep after that enormous strawman you just built right there.

Did you read the post I was replying to or just mine so that you could take it grossly out of context?  My response to @Australian Kiwi was his claim that "the west" has enabled Israel and their support is to blame for the current state of the affairs in the Middle East.  Speaking of broad generalizations that reek of propaganda and the implication that the US and the UK among others gave Israel a green light to enable Netanyahu.  You know what would have ended the violence in Gaza?  If Hamas has freed the hostages they took on October 7th.  But no, that was too much to ask of them and I can just sense you sitting there hearing me talking about Israelis begging to interject "but what about all the Gazan children that have been slaughtered."

Hamas is why we're having this conversation right now.  Yes, we all know the conflict didn't start on October 7th and that there's decades of animosity that led up to that day, but like I said earlier if we're going to discuss why Gaza has long been an open air prison, maybe let's look at the terrorist organization that runs the show there.

Let me be clear, lest any nuance get lost here you try to lump me in with the IDF soldiers doing victory dances on social media.. I've seen pro-Palestine protests with my own eyes.  I am sympathetic to their plight, but not when it crosses the line to where they are blaming the Jews (and yes, I say the Jews and not Israel because that's who they are targeting) because then they're falling in line for Hamas.  I would love to see more protests against Hamas because the problem is that if Israel backs off, they still haven't eradicated what is a very direct and existential threat to safety of everyone in that region.  And as the saying goes, which rings very true.. if Hamas laid down their weapons, there would be peace.  If Israel laid down their weapons, there would be no Israel.

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2 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

My response to @Australian Kiwi was his claim that "the west" has enabled Israel and their support is to blame for the current state of the affairs in the Middle East.  Speaking of broad generalizations that reek of propaganda and the implication that the US and the UK among others gave Israel a green light to enable Netanyahu.

He isn't wrong at all about this

2 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

You know what would have ended the violence in Gaza?  If Hamas has freed the hostages they took on October 7th.

Violence in Gaza has existed long before October 7.

2 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

I can just sense you sitting there hearing me talking about Israelis begging to interject "but what about all the Gazan children that have been slaughtered."

Okay? What a weird if not disturbing thing to say...

2 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

Hamas is why we're having this conversation right now.  Yes, we all know the conflict didn't start on October 7th and that there's decades of animosity that led up to that day, but like I said earlier if we're going to discuss why Gaza has long been an open air prison, maybe let's look at the terrorist organization that runs the show there.

Okay, let's talk about Hamas. The last elections in Gaza took place in 2006. There have been no elections since - this was 18 years ago. Recent demographic statistics show that 65.4% of Gaza's population is (or rather, was at this point...) between the ages of 0-24 - AKA NOT of voting age. The majority of people in Gaza right now did NOT vote for Hamas. Are we supposed to be okay with Israel committing atrocities on a population based on the actions of a small percentage of the population? Does this give Israel free reign to treat Gaza as an open air prison?

Also, the Israeli violence has gotten to the point where even the US is starting to express concern:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/biden-says-gaza-fighting-over-top-pushing-pause-2024-02-09/

2 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

Let me be clear, lest any nuance get lost here you try to lump me in with the IDF soldiers doing victory dances on social media.. I've seen pro-Palestine protests with my own eyes.  I am sympathetic to their plight, but not when it crosses the line to where they are blaming the Jews (and yes, I say the Jews and not Israel because that's who they are targeting) because then they're falling in line for Hamas.

I have addressed the antisemitic rhetoric in previous posts. Instead, I will just drop this: https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/ , https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/23/us/jewish-palestinian-protest-israel-gaza/index.html , and https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20231020-not-in-our-name-the-jewish-new-yorkers-speaking-out-against-dehumanisation-of-palestinians

Most pro-Palestine protests are not antisemitic, and many of them are organized by Jewish people and organizations. Many also do, in fact, criticize Hamas' actions.

“War crimes by one party do not justify war crimes by another,” she says. “Obviously 9/11 was a war crime. Obviously, the attacks by Hamas were a war crime. But that does not justify war crimes by the United States in Iraq or by Israel in Gaza.”

Even Palestinians criticize Hamas and antisemitism:

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20231019-i-refuse-to-be-associated-with-hamas-gazans-in-paris-lament-ban-on-protests

I know people who have nothing to do with Hamas whose homes have been bombed. I remember my uncles and cousins saying back in 2006 that nobody wanted Hamas. My heart aches when I see that people conflate Hamas and the Palestinians.

Pro-Palestinian protests have been banned in France and yet I reject all anti-Semitic remarks. I wouldn't let anyone use that kind of language; I can't stand people attacking Jews. I paid close attention to this at two Paris rallies I attended last week. Fortunately, I didn't hear any anti-Semitic comments.

I deplore the killing of Israelis and Palestinians with equal force, and I absolutely condemn the atrocities committed by Hamas. But why don’t we also condemn the Israeli government’s insane policy of vengeance? I feel we are not given the same consideration. All we want is to live in peace. The objective must be to achieve a ceasefire.”

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On one hand I’m reluctant to want to jump in to this particular discussion, but on the other hand, we ARE a discussion board, and we really should be able to vent our views.

Firstly, I don’t think anyone here with any ounce of empathy can feel anything but sympathy, distress and, yes, anger, at the suffering the Palestinian people are going through right now and would like to see whatever measures taken to end this horrible conflict. Surely that goes without saying. 

The reason Russia spills into the Olympic sphere of action, is because, just eight years after his regime organised one of the most blatant and organised campaigns of cheating at a Games, and while the Russian team was still under sanctions because of that, Putin sat at the 2022 Opening Ceremony with disdain and feigning sleep while the Ukrainian team marched before him, after having just cut a deal with Xi to delay an invasion of territorial conquest until just after the Games had ended so as not to embarrass and take the spotlight away from his ally’s moment on the global stage. Both were willing to let the paralympics be collateral damage though. It was a cynical thumbing his nose at everything the Olympics claims to champion while using the Olympics themselves as cover. So it was no wonder that for once the IOC really had no option but to take action.

Now, we’re all aware of at least some of the immediate and longer term/wider scale reasons that have sparked and fed the latest tragedy in a long list of tragedies in the Middle East. We have varying views on the culpability and responsibility of all the parties to it. And the reaction to it IS being played out vehemently in the wider international sphere, bringing in the UN and allies of both sides as well as concerned citizens - such as members here. And indeed, even Israel’s staunchest allies have not been above criticising i’s actions and strategy, while stopping short of abandoning it. But the Olympics has no direct role in it*. The Olympics haven’t been used as cynically as the Russians did. Neither the Israeli’s or the Palestinians have misused the Games to cover their own deeds or intentions as Putin did. The IOC has not been implicated, or forced to act, in any role within the current conflict.

That, as far as I feel, is about as far as the current conflict in Gaza relates to this particular thread. If people did want to prosecute the guilt or righteousness of the warring parties, that’s probably more suited to a thread of its own in General Discussions. I just don’t feel it has Olympic applicability, or is analogous to the Russian situation vis-a-vis the IOC

* unless we want to go back to 1972.

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The Israel/Palestine situation is a shitshow where both sides are victims and perpetrators. If we ban Israelis from the Olympics, we must also ban Palestinians. The Russia/Ukraine situation is the large scale invasion of a sovereign, democratic state by a fascist colonialist state with zero reasoning at all. We can argue all day about what triggered Hamas or Israel to do xyz (and, sadly, there's no shortage of answers whether justified or not), but nobody sane can come up with a single decent reason why Russia should've invaded Ukraine - who weren't any kind of threat.

One is a mess where you can (and should) have sympathies and anger with both sides, the other is about as black and white as it comes.

If anyone declares an opinion on Israel/Palestine, but at the same time has trouble deciding whether or not we should be helping Ukraine, as far as I'm concerned their 'opinion' on the Israel/Palestine issue can be quickly discounted.

 

8 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

It's almost always "well Russia got punished, but Israel did way worse, so punish them worse."  Which of course completely ignores the nuances of Russia using sports as a propaganda tool.

And completely ignores Bucha and Mariopol. But the kind of people in the Palestinian Flag Brigade who say things like this consistently show they only care about one conflict to the point of fetishisation. I have a lot of sympathy for the Palestinian cause, but a vocal minority of those in the West who support it really do it no favours whatsoever.

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On top of that, Russia should've been kicked out before its invasion - for far less important, but far more relevant reasons. i.e. its consistent shitting on the Olympics from a great height for more than a decade. But Bach has been happy to sit a few feet below the defecating Russian Bear's anus with his mouth wide open. That's gone about as well as could be expected.

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