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On 9/28/2022 at 6:35 PM, yoshi said:

It's probably time (maybe overdue) to adopt the European Championships model for sliding - split it off and have Olympic sliding events at an existing track on the same continent. If one sport constantly causes these problems it's time to ask whether it's the sport itself that has to adapt, rather than the host every time. Maybe that multinational decentralised model could even be the future of the entire Winter Olympics, especially as climate change makes finding suitable mountains close enough to suitable cities more and more difficult. 

Edit: I say this as someone from a country that gets most of its winter medals on the sliding track. It can't go on causing every prospective host nothing but trouble without something being done. 

Honestly, if Italy's financial house was in order building a sliding center fits within their sporting tradition. Italy is the only country that has, historically, won medals across the sliding sports that does not have a currently operating track. But the financial considerations.

Calgary, Lillehammer, Nagano, Vancouver and Salt Lake all built sliding centers that had excellent post-games legacies. Calgary is currently decommissioned, but should be back in a few years if things still go as planned. Whereas Sarajevo and Torino have not. Too soon to tell on the newest Asian ones.

So it is a venue that can be used well post games. It is just the planning and development.

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Thomas Baillet-Latour at work again?

https://www.nytimes.com/1935/11/07/archives/antijewish-signs-down-for-olympics-hitler-promises-to-remove-the.html

And before anyone says anything about false equivalents: Fascists are fascists. The question is at which point they can still be stopped or whether they are being normalised and can poison the minds of people without hindrance.

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On 10/1/2022 at 4:49 AM, fusilli said:

Wow, almost 3 years to start and they still don't have a viable name to put in charge? And what about constructions progress? :mellow:

Yes there are definitely challenges for Milano Cortina 2026.

The CEO vacancy and costly construction.

The IOC’s Coordination Commission visit to the Milan and Cortina venues was postponed by three months to December.

This mid-September report sums it up:

IOC President Thomas Bach Discusses ‘Challenges' for 2026 Olympics - 16 Sep2022 - NBC Chicago

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On 9/26/2022 at 8:22 PM, Faster said:

Because Stockholm was not a viable option right? Because they wanted to use Sigulda instead of spending a quarter of a billion to build one they don't need. It was the old way vs a new way and the membership picked the old way. Lindberg pretty much predicted this during the session.

 

On 9/28/2022 at 3:34 PM, Faster said:

Thanks,point still stands. Stockholm got knocked back because they openly wanted to us another countries sliding center (and a very popular one at that) combined with Are being far from Stockholm. Yet we have a games spread over the majority of Northern Italy. 

Was Stockholm to Are, & wanting to use another country's track really the issue, though?

Moreso, it was the lack of full government backing for the project, & Stockholm's total reluctance to sign the host-city contract, that mainly did their bid in. Let's also not forget that Milan had much higher populace support, at the time of the 2026 campaign, than their Swedish competitors did. 

We can call it the old way vs the new way (& Lindberg didn't really predict, as much as she preached to the membership during the session), but even with the so-called 'new-norm', the IOC still likes to see total cooperation between gov't agencies & at least relative high support within a bid's citizenry. Had Stockholm had both of those for 2026 (& which always seems to be any Swedish bid's downfall), like Milan did, Italy wouldn't be hosting the 2026 Winter Games.

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On 9/26/2022 at 8:22 PM, Faster said:

Because Stockholm was not a viable option right? Because they wanted to use Sigulda instead of spending a quarter of a billion to build one they don't need. It was the old way vs a new way and the membership picked the old way. Lindberg pretty much predicted this during the session.

 

On 9/28/2022 at 3:34 PM, Faster said:

Thanks,point still stands. Stockholm got knocked back because they openly wanted to us another countries sliding center (and a very popular one at that) combined with Are being far from Stockholm. Yet we have a games spread over the majority of Northern Italy. 

Was Stockholm to Are, & wanting to use another country's track really the big issue, though?

Moreso, it was the lack of full government backing for the project, & Stockholm's total reluctance to sign the host-city contract, that mainly did their bid in. Let's also not forget that Milan had much higher populace support, at the time of the 2026 campaign, than their Swedish competitors did. 

We can call it the old way vs the new way (& Lindberg didn't really predict, as much as she preached to the membership during the session), but even with the so-called 'new-norm', the IOC still likes to see total cooperation between gov't agencies & at least relative high support within a bid's citizenry. Had Stockholm had both of those for 2026 (& which always seems to be any Swedish bid's downfall), like Milan did, Italy wouldn't be hosting the 2026 Winter Games.

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Sweden happily hosts many sporting events. Regularly. Sweden would also be benefiting currently from a crop of generational talents in winter sport. If the IOC had gone with Stockholm, they may of not gotten all the perks. But they would have gotten full stands and a well organized event. Instead they are getting a rehash of Torino part 2. The Piedmontese pulled off a wonderful games. Are the Lombards gonna do the same?

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2 hours ago, Faster said:

Sweden happily hosts many sporting events. Regularly. Sweden would also be benefiting currently from a crop of generational talents in winter sport. If the IOC had gone with Stockholm, they may of not gotten all the perks. But they would have gotten full stands and a well organized event. Instead they are getting a rehash of Torino part 2. The Piedmontese pulled off a wonderful games. Are the Lombards gonna do the same?

At the end of the day, the Italians supported the bid.  The Swedes did not.  

Important to remember.. this was the last election that went to a traditional vote.  If these were the 2 candidates in the running under "the new norm" formula, might the outcome have been different?  Very possible.  I hope we hear from them again.  I agree they would likely put on a wonderful show and with all due respect to Norway (speaking of countries I'd like to hear from again), would be nice to get a new locale first.

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2 hours ago, Faster said:

Sweden happily hosts many sporting events. Regularly. Sweden would also be benefiting currently from a crop of generational talents in winter sport. If the IOC had gone with Stockholm, they may of not gotten all the perks. But they would have gotten full stands and a well organized event. Instead they are getting a rehash of Torino part 2. The Piedmontese pulled off a wonderful games. Are the Lombards gonna do the same?

You appear to be arguing in hindsight. Sweden may happily host many sporting events regularly, but when it comes to the Olympics, they always seem to be very gun shy. Germany, speaking of another European country that happily hosts many sporting events regularly, which was thrilled with the winter festival that they hosted in Munich earlier this year, but when it came to talk about a future Olympics, they seemed to have looked the other way. But none of that is reflective of their capabilities. 

What the IOC may, or may not, end up with Milan 2026, has absolutely no bearing on the outcome of that particularly election. The facts still remain, Milan was well ahead on support at all levels over their Swedish competitors, & that's what was taken into account by the IOC at the time (which even their own 2026 Final Evaluation Report concluded). So it appears that's what was more important to the membership with that race than anything else.

This almost seems like a case of when some on here paint Rio in a negative light because of the *final* outcome, claiming what was the IOC thinking of when they awarded Rio. Well, at the time of the 2016 campaign, Brazil was doing quite well, & the IOC took that into account at the time, & in the end, the Brazilians produced a decent Games nonetheless, despite the roller coaster ride it took to get there since their election back in 2009. Only time will tell how Milan 2026 will fare, but again, that has nothing to do with what gave us Milan-Cortina 2026 ITFP.

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Milan-Cortina is bleeding Euros left and right. In addition to the sliding track, they are having a heck of a time with cost issues on the main ice hockey arena and we have not even seen the costs for the massive speed skating oval renovation. Somewhere the folks in Torino are laughing. Remember when Milan thought they could finance all of this privately, despite the fact that Italy is flat broke?

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 Milan Olympic Village

“Individual architects and designers for each part of the site are expected to be named in the early stages of 2023.”

“This redevelopment project includes creating a large park with pedestrian and cycle paths, as well as green corridors and public spaces for sport and socialising.”

“Residential housing, offices, social and student housing and transport facilities are expected to be part of the project too.”

 

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All clear given to build new 2026 Milano-Cortina Sliding Centre

“De Zanna was previously supportive of Innsbruck hosting bobsleigh, skeleton and luge in 2026.”

“However, Milan Cortina 2026 is forging ahead with building a new track on Italian soil.”

“This will involve replacing the Eugenio Monti sliding centre, which is in a state of disrepair, with a new one.”

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