Australian Kiwi Posted July 20, 2023 Report Posted July 20, 2023 23 minutes ago, Scotguy II said: Gold Coast has offered to host the games... https://www.bbc.com/sport/commonwealth-games/66255262 Except the Mayor assumed Victoria 2026 had received federal funds which he wanted "diverted to Queensland". Except Victoria got zero federal funds. 2026 funding (the $2.6bn) was from Victoria. Tom Tate is an idiot. Quote
Australian Kiwi Posted July 20, 2023 Report Posted July 20, 2023 Just to make it clear what I mean for the non-Australians... Mayor Tate assumed Vic26 had received Federal Australian funding which he wanted diverted to Gold Coast for them to deliver. Except crucially Vic26 had not received any federal funding... and Victoria isn't exactly going to hand over $2.6bn to an interstate city to run the Games on their behalf. Quote
Victorian Posted July 20, 2023 Report Posted July 20, 2023 45 minutes ago, Australian Kiwi said: Just to make it clear what I mean for the non-Australians... Mayor Tate assumed Vic26 had received Federal Australian funding which he wanted diverted to Gold Coast for them to deliver. Except crucially Vic26 had not received any federal funding... and Victoria isn't exactly going to hand over $2.6bn to an interstate city to run the Games on their behalf. This is part of the reason for the cancellation I gather. I think that Victoria 2026 expected funding from the Commonwealth (federal government) and when it was evident this would not be happening, it was cancelled. What does the CGF do with their funds? Could they forward whatever compensation funds they get from Victoria to the 2026 host (regardless if it is Australia or elsewhere) which will start up and help deliver the games on short notice? Just throwing this idea out there.. Quote
Australian Kiwi Posted July 20, 2023 Report Posted July 20, 2023 45 minutes ago, Victorian said: This is part of the reason for the cancellation I gather. I think that Victoria 2026 expected funding from the Commonwealth (federal government) and when it was evident this would not be happening, it was cancelled. What does the CGF do with their funds? Could they forward whatever compensation funds they get from Victoria to the 2026 host (regardless if it is Australia or elsewhere) which will start up and help deliver the games on short notice? Just throwing this idea out there.. Not sure what it means for the CGF, but I understand the compo Vic owes them is more in the order of several hundred mil -- not in the billions. A lot of these other upstart "we can do it!' hosts seem to be drunk on the same delusion that Victoria was last year which led to this mess. CGF/IOC - beware the well meaning idiots! the 2030 Winter Olympics could become the IOC's own VIC26. Quote
arwebb Posted July 20, 2023 Report Posted July 20, 2023 How many of the facilities from 2018 are still in place on the Gold Coast? If they're largely good to go now, and can be good to go in three years' time, surely that's a better solution than embarking on a search for a completely new host or going cap in hand elsewhere. Quote
capetown2020 Posted July 20, 2023 Report Posted July 20, 2023 On 7/18/2023 at 1:28 PM, Gonzo said: You can kiss goodbye any chance of Melbourne hosting any future FIFA World Cup/World Club Clup Finals/Semi Finals or Rugby World Cup Final in 2027. No major sports organisation will send their World Champs Melbourne's way either anytime soon. F1 will be feeling pretty shaky too now, MotoGP is already on its last legs and rumoured to move to SA Just look at Denver in 1976, they still haven't recovered from that internationally same with Montreal Not true 1 Quote
Victorian Posted July 20, 2023 Report Posted July 20, 2023 1 hour ago, arwebb said: How many of the facilities from 2018 are still in place on the Gold Coast? If they're largely good to go now, and can be good to go in three years' time, surely that's a better solution than embarking on a search for a completely new host or going cap in hand elsewhere. All venues except the temporary Beach Volleyball venue are still in place. The only issue could be with Carrara Stadium as the main stadium with upgrades for an athletics track to be installed and when the Gabba is commencing their redevelopment which is scheduled in 2026. I doubt they’ll be wanting both Gabba and Carrara out of action as they will need to find somewhere for the Suns and Lions to play. Gold Coast 2026 just makes sense from both a facility point of view but also as a major test event for the Olympics six years later. They can test ideas, systems and operations at the Games and can improve on things from that for Brisbane 2032. Quote
Sir Rols Posted July 20, 2023 Report Posted July 20, 2023 Gold Coast not happening: Quote Gold Coast’s bid for Commonwealth Games set to fail Gold Coast’s offer to host the Commonwealth Games is set to fall at the first hurdle, with the Albanese government unlikely to financially back the lifeline, as reported by the AAP. Gold Coast mayor Tom Tate has launched a late bid for the 2026 Games after Victoria pulled out of hosting the global sports event. The prospective bid was contingent on federal funding given Queensland premier Annastacia Palaszczuk ruled out her state coming to the rescue of the Games. Federal cabinet minister Jason Clare poured cold water on the move, saying the government was focused on investing in the 2032 Brisbane Olympics. Clare told Seven’s Sunrise program on Friday: I just think that this is unlikely given the focus and the investment that we are making in Brisbane in the lead up to 2032. Perth mayor Basil Zempilas has made a similar pitch for the Games, but no premiers or chief ministers are interested in hosting duties. The Guardian Quote
TorchbearerSydney Posted July 20, 2023 Report Posted July 20, 2023 RE: the Gold Coast....and he Gold Coast has the accommodation capacity not to need a village....another big stumbling block Quote
Scotguy II Posted July 20, 2023 Report Posted July 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, Sir Rols said: Gold Coast not happening: Auckland is still in the running. Speaking this morning on a breakfast tv show, the city's deputy mayor was talking about last nights stunning and epic opening ceremony to the women's football cup, when she mentioned that the city has been seriously looking into it. 2 Quote
Victorian Posted July 20, 2023 Report Posted July 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Scotguy II said: Auckland is still in the running. Speaking this morning on a breakfast tv show, the city's deputy mayor was talking about last nights stunning and epic opening ceremony to the women's football cup, when she mentioned that the city has been seriously looking into it. Mayor support means nothing if there is no government support. London, Christchurch, Perth and Gold Coast may all have had mayor support but don’t have government support. At least Scotland had their First Minister come out to support it. Quote
Australian Kiwi Posted July 21, 2023 Report Posted July 21, 2023 37 minutes ago, Victorian said: Mayor support means nothing if there is no government support. London, Christchurch, Perth and Gold Coast may all have had mayor support but don’t have government support. At least Scotland had their First Minister come out to support it. Exactly. Very frustrating to see Tom Tate get away with talking rubbish about "funding being reallocated" seemingly unaware there is no funding to be reallocated. The Games were funded by Victoria - not the Federal Govt. Quote
Bear Posted July 24, 2023 Report Posted July 24, 2023 and the mess keeps messing... Victoria 2026 lawyers fly home without having reached compensation deal with CGF (insidethegames.biz) Quote Victoria 2026 lawyers fly home from London without having reached compensation deal with CGF Australian lawyers acting for Victoria after the shock announcement by the State’s Premier Daniel Andrews to withdraw from hosting the 2026 Commonwealth Games have returned home from London without having agreed a compensation deal. Andrews sent Leon Zwier to the British capital last week to break the news to the Commonwealth Games Federation (CGF) that they were pulling out of their contract to host the event and to negotiate a deal. Zwier, a partner of Arnold Bloch Liebler, is one of Australia’s top lawyers whose clients have included the country’s cricket captain Steve Smith when he was banned for his involvement in a ball tampering scandal. He was accompanied to London by Andrews’ departmental secretary Jeremi Moule, along with a team of lawyers from the Victorian Government’s Solicitors Office. The group had hoped to sort out a quick deal with the CGF but flew back yesterday having failed to reach an agreement. The CGF are reportedly asking for up to AUD$500 million (£262 million/$337 million/€303 million) to compensate them for the crisis that Andrews has plunged the organisation in. Any money received is expected to be used to help a replacement city put on the Games in 2026. It has also been reported that Commonwealth Games Australia is considering taking legal action against Victoria over the loss of an AUD$26 million (£13.6 million/$17.5 million/€15.7 million) contract. SportFive, the CGF’s partners to help develop its brand, including finding commercial partners, may also act. According to the Australian Financial Review, the Victorian Government has already spent AUD$250 million (£131 million/$168 million/€151 million) on preparing to stage the Commonwealth Games. Budget papers revealed that the Government spent AUD$36 million (£22 million/$24 million/€21 million) in 2021-2022 and AUD$222 million (£116 million/$150 million/€134 million) the last financial year. Anger continues to simmer over Andrews’ decision to withdraw from Victoria hosting the Commonwealth Games following his claim that the budget had risen substantially from the original figure of AUD$2.6 billion (£1.4 billion/$1.7 billion/€1.6 billion) and could reach as high as AUD$7 billion (£3.6 billion/$4.7 billion/€4.2 billion), although he has failed to explain how that number was reached. "Here we are, day six and we are still waiting for details of the costs of the Commonwealth Games debacle," Victoria Opposition Leader John Pesutto said. "Victorians are entitled to know how much money has been wasted because of the humiliating cancellation of the Commonwealth Games." Australia’s Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has also faced criticism over the decision and been urged to help find an alternative host city in the country. "[He] needs to explore ways to stage the Commonwealth Games in Australia to restore the reputation that was damaged by Victoria’s snap decision to cancel them," acting Opposition Leader Susan Ley told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation’s Insiders today. "I don’t accept that as our Prime Minister Anthony Albanese can step back and take no responsibility. "I have a suggestion for all the athletes - don’t have your photo taken with any Labor MPs until this gets sorted. "It’s being presented as a binary choice - it costs AUD$7 billion, or you don’t have it. "How about looking at alternatives - other states, nations, stepping in? "How about having the reasonable conversation with the Commonwealth Games Federation about how we can take responsibility?" Quote
Brekkie Boy Posted July 26, 2023 Report Posted July 26, 2023 London being talked about but as much as politicians love to go on about how politics should be kept out of sport I just can't see the Tory government agreeing to fund a London games under a Labour mayor. There is also no political capital with it coming after the Mayoral and General Elections. Quote
Alexjc Posted July 27, 2023 Report Posted July 27, 2023 What a mess... No one could find a host for 2026 until just before last year's Games. A simple answer is keep it simple...Drop all the Team sports until 2030. And if need be, cycling, although that would be a bummer. Quote
Brekkie Boy Posted July 30, 2023 Report Posted July 30, 2023 Drop the team sports and cycling and you might as well drop the entire games. Whilst there should be more flexibility I think going from around 10 core sports to 2 was a step too far. For me you protect the classics of athletics, cycling, swimming/diving and gymnastics - and then probably Rugby Sevens, Netball and Hockey. The latter three may mean housing a significant number of athletes but are critical in reaching areas of the commonwealth where individual sports may not. I'd then say a minimum of three further sports, but ideally five - with an absolute maximum of 15 events in total. I think if anything giving hosts too much control over the programme is actually where costs begin to spiral. Things become an unknown quantity rather than a known quantity. Legacy is also important - as important as it is to use existing venues to keep costs down cities should also have some long term benefit from it too. Quote
Victorian Posted August 18, 2023 Report Posted August 18, 2023 $380 million dollar compensation Quote
Victorian Posted August 19, 2023 Report Posted August 19, 2023 Dave Culbert would be very much in the know here.. Quote
Bear Posted September 26, 2023 Report Posted September 26, 2023 Daniel Andrews has resigned https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1141165/andrews-resigns-victoria-premier https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/26/daniel-dan-andrews-resigns-quits-retires-victoria-premier-update-announcement Quote
Alexjc Posted September 29, 2023 Report Posted September 29, 2023 On 9/27/2023 at 8:03 AM, Bear said: Daniel Andrews has resigned https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1141165/andrews-resigns-victoria-premier https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/26/daniel-dan-andrews-resigns-quits-retires-victoria-premier-update-announcement What next??? A resurrected hosting?...But now Melbourne centric? Quote
Scotguy II Posted September 29, 2023 Report Posted September 29, 2023 If Labour win the NZ election in 2 weeks they have pledged to host the games in 2026 1 Quote
ulu Posted September 29, 2023 Report Posted September 29, 2023 Is Labour trying to lose the election? Quote
Australian Kiwi Posted September 30, 2023 Report Posted September 30, 2023 On 9/29/2023 at 2:36 PM, Scotguy II said: If Labour win the NZ election in 2 weeks they have pledged to host the games in 2026 Good grief and they are even proposing a decentralised model like Vic 26. LOL good luck to you NZ. Quote
ulu Posted September 30, 2023 Report Posted September 30, 2023 54 minutes ago, Australian Kiwi said: Good grief and they are even proposing a decentralised model like Vic 26. LOL good luck to you NZ. I think a decentralised model could work for the right host who's doing it for the right reasons but is NZ the right host? I don't know. Quote
Victorian Posted September 30, 2023 Report Posted September 30, 2023 On 9/29/2023 at 2:36 PM, Scotguy II said: If Labour win the NZ election in 2 weeks they have pledged to host the games in 2026 Where is the source? Quote
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