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Further discussion at last night’s IOC Press Conference:

 

Start at about 20:00 with another journalist asking about Targeted Dialogue for 2030.  

Christophe Dubi, Olympic Games Executive Director responds about the New IOC Session Timeframe from the IOC.

He mentioned that this will give the IOC Executive Board more time discuss the Future Host Commission detailed Report for the 2030 Olympic Winter Games ahead of postponed IOC Session.

There was no announcement that the 27-28 May 2023 IOC Executive Board Meeting would not go ahead.  

As the calendar stands right now, at 13:10 AEDT 6 December 2022,  and until it is changed,  there will be an IOC Executive Board Meeting 27-28 May and the location is currently listed for Mumbai.

The full IOC Session which was to take place in May 2023 in Mumbai has been postponed to Sept/Oct and the details of this yet to be confirmed.

Watch this space - over the next 24-48 hours, if the Indian Olympic Association is suspended from the IOC, the location of the 27-28 May 2023 IOC Executive Board Meeting in Mumbai likely to be shifted somewhere else, probably back to IOC HQ in Lausanne.

IOC Press Conference - 05.12.2022

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On 12/5/2022 at 8:01 AM, Australian Kiwi said:

Australian Fan - can you please exercise some restraint in the amount you post? Its mostly useless screenshots which totally clogs up the stream of messages. 

Who doesn’t need infographics of venues in use since Sapporo 1972?

Anyway, it helps drown out the hecklers

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On 12/3/2022 at 1:26 AM, Sir Rols said:

Just to verify, after a very quick and non-exhaustive search (Wikipedia) past potential bidding city numbers were:

2004: 11 cities - five candidate cities - Athens, Rome, Capetown Stockholm, and six applicants Buenos Aries, Rio, San Juan, Istanbul, St Petersburg, Seville, lille

2008: 10 cities - Five candidates - Beijing, Toronto, Osaka, Paris, Istanbul, and five applicants Bangkok, Cairo, Kuala Lumpur, Seville, Havana (and an unspecified number of potentials including Monterey, NYC, Prague, Busan and Moscow)

2012: 9 candidate cities - London, Paris, New York, Madrid, Moscow, Leipzig, Rio, Istanbul, Havana (other applicant cities not named)

2016: 7 formal cities - Rio, Madrid, Tokyo, Chicago, Baku, Doha, Prague and 17 cities named as potential bidders

This was also pointed out back in May in the "2036 Olympics: 'crowded' field of interested parties" thread (which is currently just below this thread). But that ended up with the same new-norm, hyperbolic mumbo-jumbo, like it has here; that the 'new-norm' has "surged/supercharged" interest in the Olympic Games, & is the best thing since slice bread & the invention of the wheel.

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On 12/4/2022 at 4:00 PM, Australian Kiwi said:

Its the Winter Olympics that needed the dressing down, less so the SOGs. The rush to secure 2032 over 2030 will always be so bizarre. 

Yeah, there was an interesting GB's article about that about a year-&-a-half ago asking that very question. What was the rush? Especially when the world was still in the middle of a raging pandemic, & pretty much most things were shut down. What was so urgent that the 2032 host needed to be anointed so quickly, & strangely enough before the 2030 host.

I know the new-norm bible rebuttal has been, that since the new process doesn't have any timelines or deadlines any longer, that the commissions of the Games can recommend whatever at any given time. But it still was very lop-sided, to say the least, when again, the world was still grappling with a deadly & very unknown virus (at the time). Not to mention, surely the IOC was also very busy juggling with the postponed Tokyo 2020ne Olympics.

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9 hours ago, FYI said:

Yeah, there was an interesting GB's article about that about a year-&-a-half ago asking that very question. What was the rush? Especially when the world was still in the middle of a raging pandemic, & pretty much most things were shut down. What was so urgent that the 2032 host needed to be anointed so quickly, & strangely enough before the 2030 host.

I know the new-norm bible rebuttal has been, that since the new process doesn't have any timelines or deadlines any longer, that the commissions of the Games can recommend whatever at any given time. But it still was very lop-sided, to say the least, when again, the world was still grappling with a deadly & very unknown virus (at the time). Not to mention, surely the IOC was also very busy juggling with the postponed Tokyo 2020ne Olympics.

Does Australian Bid Official 1992 have dirt on Fencing 1976? Grainy footage from a Sochi hotel room perhaps? The mind boggles!

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Recapping an historic week for the Olympic Winter Games

  1. Climate Warming: new temperature requirement for snow venues being that the average minimum temperature over previous 10 years must be below freezing
  2. Permanent Pool of Olympic Winter Hosts within which Games are rotated - existing infrastructure, snow venue minimum temperature requirement
  3. Postponement until 2025 of 2030 Host selection
  4. New Entrants: for the 2030 and 2034 Games likely to join Sapporo, SLC, Vancouver
  5. Double Awarding:  2030 Host (5 years before) and 2034 Host (9 years before) to occur in 2025.
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Historic? The only thing concrete that happened on that list is point 3 - postponement of host selection (maybe number one - but you’d really think wanting low temperatures for a snow venue was always a pretty basic requirement). The rest are just “suggestions for further study at the moment”.

So, in other words, procrastination of a difficult decision, and kicking the can down the road with a few thought bubbles in the hopes some alternatives might just show up.

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41 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

Historic? The only thing concrete that happened on that list is point 3 - postponement of host selection (maybe number one - but you’d really think wanting low temperatures for a snow venue was always a pretty basic requirement). The rest are just “suggestions for further study at the moment”.

So, in other words, procrastination of a difficult decision, and kicking the can down the road with a few thought bubbles in the hopes some alternatives might just show up.

Absolutely yes,  an historic set of changes which  they are going to work on how to make they will in practice work between now and 2025 = will become concrete by then. 

Yes historic - never before in history has Climate Warming in history ever lead to a 10-year temperature requirement being imposed on Olympic Winter Games hosts.

Yes historic - never before in history has a rotating Pool of Olympic Winter Games hosts ever existed.has never happen.

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Absolutely yes,  an historic set of changes.  Between now and 2025, the IOC will work out in practice how the change  work, the detail, the concrete, as you put it

Yes historic - never before in history has Climate Warming ever lead to a 10-year temperature requirement being imposed on selection of Olympic Winter Games hosts.

Yes historic - never before in history has a rotating Pool of Olympic Winter Games hosts ever existed.

 That’s about to change.

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56 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

Historic? The only thing concrete that happened on that list is point 3 - postponement of host selection (maybe number one - but you’d really think wanting low temperatures for a snow venue was always a pretty basic requirement). The rest are just “suggestions for further study at the moment”.

So, in other words, procrastination of a difficult decision, and kicking the can down the road with a few thought bubbles in the hopes some alternatives might just show up.

Not thought bubbles.

In case you missed it,  the IOC Executuve Director was at pains to point out in the press conference that the report from the Future Host Commission for the Winter Olympic Games was detailed and comprehensive.

 

 

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2 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

Recapping an historic week for the Olympic Winter Games

  1. Climate Warming: new temperature requirement for snow venues being that the average minimum temperature over previous 10 years must be below freezing
  2. Permanent Pool of Olympic Winter Hosts within which Games are rotated - existing infrastructure, snow venue minimum temperature requirement
  3. Postponement until 2025 of 2030 Host selection
  4. New Entrants: for the 2030 and 2034 Games likely to join Sapporo, SLC, Vancouver
  5. Double Awarding:  2030 Host (5 years before) and 2034 Host (9 years before) to occur in 2025.

For permanent pool of Olympic Winter Hosts and the double awarding, nothing is confirmed at this stage: the EB gave mandate to the Future Host Commission to study in further details the impact and practical aspects of such potential move (source https://olympics.com/ioc/news/future-host-commission-studying-landscape-of-winter-sport-with-a-view-to-the-olympic-winter-games-2030-and-beyond)

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2 minutes ago, cfm Jeremie said:

For permanent pool of Olympic Winter Hosts and the double awarding, nothing is confirmed at this stage: the EB gave mandate to the Future Host Commission to study in further details the impact and practical aspects of such potential move (source https://olympics.com/ioc/news/future-host-commission-studying-landscape-of-winter-sport-with-a-view-to-the-olympic-winter-games-2030-and-beyond)

It’s been an historic week at the IOC Executive Board.  It will also be an historic 2 years between now and 2025.

As the IOC EB said, the time between now and 2025, will be used to further explore and the practicalities of these.  

The new timeline between now and 2025 also allows time to continue discussions with the three existing candidatures and likely new ones to join these three.

2025 will be the year in which candidatures for both 2030 and 2034 can be expected to be elevated to Targeted Dialogue ahead of IOC EB recommendations for election.

The period now and 2025 will also be used to further explore and add meat to the bones of the Permanent Rotating Pool of Winter Olympic Hosts proposal with the Climate Warming temperature requirement at snow venues to be an integral part of this and which candidatures exactly are ultimately recommended for election to the IOC Session for 2030 and 2034.

 

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18 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

Love seeing these historic!!! “surges of unprecedented!!! supercharged!!! hyperbole!!!

No need to be hysterical.  It’s just an adjective. Don’t be scared.

 

Historic’  - important or likely to be important in history.

 

Cambridge Dictionary

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26 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

Love seeing these historic!!! “surges of unprecedented!!! supercharged!!! hyperbole!!!

 

1 minute ago, AustralianFan said:

No need to be hysterical.  It’s just an adjective. Don’t be scared.

 

Historic’  - important or likely to be important in history.

 

Cambridge Dictionary

Let’s re-work that:

 

 

It’s been an important week at the IOC Executive Board.  It will also be an important time in the history of the IOC 2 years between now and 2025.

As the IOC EB said, the time between now and 2025, will be used to further explore and the practicalities of these.  

The new timeline between now and 2025 also allows time to continue discussions with the three existing candidatures and likely new ones to join these three.

2025 will be the year in which candidatures for both 2030 and 2034 can be expected to be elevated to Targeted Dialogue ahead of IOC EB recommendations for election.

The period now and 2025 will also be used to further explore and add meat to the bones of the Permanent Rotating Pool of Winter Olympic Hosts proposal with the Climate Warming temperature requirement at snow venues to be an integral part of this and which candidatures exactly are ultimately recommended for election to the IOC Session for 2030 and 2034.

 

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Downgrading a hyperbole??? Now THAT’S historic, considering the only surges we’ve seen lately is in the unprecedented amount of supercharged hype we’ve seen posted to the board…

… maybe also the sheer number of threads that have been breathlessly flooded with spam postings of IOC marketing department talking points.

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24 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

Downgrading a hyperbole??? Now THAT’S historic, considering the only surges we’ve seen lately is in the unprecedented amount of supercharged hype we’ve seen posted to the board…

… maybe also the sheer number of threads that have been breathlessly flooded with spam postings of IOC marketing department talking points.

Just telling as it happened in an historic week for the Olympic Winter Games.

From the Olympic Summit 9 Dec is this IOC summary of what was presented at the Summit as they did not hold daily press conferences like they did at the IOC EB Meeting last week:

  • “The Summit was informed by the Chair of the Future Host Commission for the Olympic Winter Games about interest for future Games. At this stage, the IOC remains in Continuous Dialogue with several well-developed projects by parties that have expressed interest in the Olympic Winter Games 2030 and with whom intense collaboration is ongoing.”

 

  • “The Summit was also informed that the Commission is looking into challenges and opportunities facing future Olympic Winter Games, such as the impact of climate change. A number of proposals which could have an impact on future elections were discussed, including rotation of the Games within a certain pool of hosts, minimum climate conditions and existing infrastructure criteria.”

 

  • “Upon the request of the Commission, the IOC Executive Board decided to give the Commission more time to study all these factors to make the best possible decisions about future hosting, including a revised 2030 election timeframe.”

 

  • “Consideration was also given to the notion of a double award for 2030/2034 to create stability for winter sports and the Olympic Winter Games. Considering the opportunities and challenges this could present, no conclusion was reached, as this requires further exploration”.

 

  • “These considerations by the IOC Executive Board and the Future Host Commission for the Olympic Winter Games were welcomed and supported by the Summit.”

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I prefer the IOC EB press conferences as journalists get to ask questions without notice.

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5 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

Yes, you’ve stated all that multiple times in multiple threads. How many more times till you feel it’s sufficient?

I’m looking forward to see what ‘other entrants’ might come into dialogue for 2030 or the 2034 Games with these New Norm amendment proposals for Olympic Winter Hosts announced last week by the IOC EB and being further explored between now and 2025.

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11 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

Yes, you’ve stated all that multiple times in multiple threads. How many more times till you feel it’s sufficient?

 

2 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

I’m looking forward to see what ‘other entrants’ might come into dialogue for 2030 or the 2034 Games with these New Norm amendment proposals for Olympic Winter Hosts announced last week by the IOC EB and being further explored between now and 2025.

If these proposals are firmed up and become concrete rules over the next 12 months or so and I have no doubt they will, it will be the first change to Olympic Winter Host Selection rules since the New Norm Host Selection changes were announced in 2018/19.

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3 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

I’m looking forward to see what ‘other entrants’ might come into dialogue for 2030 or the 2034 Games with these New Norm amendment proposals for Olympic Winter Hosts announced last week by the IOC EB and being further explored between now and 2025.

We know you’re excited. We can see it in just how often you feel the need to post precises of the EB Board meeting across so many threads.

it took a while to come around to that interpretation though:

On 12/7/2022 at 7:15 PM, AustralianFan said:

2030 will definitely only be out of Sapporo, Salt Lake City and Vancouver already in Continuous Dialogue and elected in 2024, a bare minimum 6 years before the Games.  That’s what he means by “later”.

Clearly not enough time to consult widely, discuss, research, set-up, short-list, recommend and elect Winter Games Pool Hosts until well past the 2030 Host Election.

 

 

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I am looking forward to seeing how exactly the New Norm rules will be amended over the next 12 months or so after these proposals are given further consideration,  following the announcements made last week by the IOC Executive Board.

When these are firmed up, it will be the most significant changes to the Host Selection rules since New Norm was introduced in 2018/2019.

 

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38 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

 

If these proposals are firmed up and become concrete rules over the next 12 months or so and I have no doubt they will, it will be the first change to Olympic Winter Host Selection rules since the New Norm Host Selection changes were announced in 2018/19.

 

3 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

When these are firmed up, it will be the most significant changes to the Host Selection rules since New Norm was introduced in 2018/2019.

 

I don’t quite get the nuance that required this to be posted twice in short order

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