Australian Kiwi Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 As we head into 2022 I expect we will hear a decision as to whether Australia (possibly with NZ) will pursue a bid for the 2030 or 2034 (or both). Just thought it would be worth creating a thread for any news that may emerge. Personally I'd love to see the event staged with NZ (venues at Auckland and possibly Christchurch or Dunedin). In Australia most (if not all) of the venues would need to be centred along the east coast states (Vic. NSW and Qld). We have solid clusters of existing fit-for-purpose stadiums in great cities with plenty of hotels... New Zealand Eden Park (Auckland - 60,000 - potential finals venue) Sky Stadium (Wellington - 34,500) ForsythBarr Stadium (Dunedin - 31,000) Queensland Suncorp Stadium (Brisbane - 52,500 - potential finals venue) CBUS Stadium (Gold Coast - 28,000) New South Wales Stadium Australia (Sydney - 83,500 - potential finals venue) Sydney Football Stadium (Sydney - 45,000) CommBank Stadium (Sydney - 30,000) Victoria MCG (Melbourne - 100,000 - potential finals venue) AAMI Park (Melbourne - 30,000) Docklands Stadium (Melbourne - 54,000) South Australia Adelaide Oval (Adelaide - 55,000- potential finals venue) Sorry Perth... you're too far! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotguy II Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 NZ does not have the infrastructure or public transport to be able to host an event like this. Auckland and Wellington are a gridlocked mess and projects are either scrapped or take double the time to complete so would not be ready for 2030/34. maybe try for 21/30/34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Australian Kiwi Posted January 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 8 minutes ago, Scotguy II said: NZ does not have the infrastructure or public transport to be able to host an event like this. Auckland and Wellington are a gridlocked mess and projects are either scrapped or take double the time to complete so would not be ready for 2030/34. maybe try for 21/30/34 They're existing venues in single cities - Eden Park for instance hosts major events throughout the year in addition to the 2011 RWC. NZ would be more than capable of staging FIFA World Cup matches in separate cities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustralianFan Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Australian Kiwi said: As we head into 2022 I expect we will hear a decision as to whether Australia (possibly with NZ) will pursue a bid for the 2030 or 2034 (or both). Just thought it would be worth creating a thread for any news that may emerge. Personally I'd love to see the event staged with NZ (venues at Auckland and possibly Christchurch or Dunedin). In Australia most (if not all) of the venues would need to be centred along the east coast states (Vic. NSW and Qld). We have solid clusters of existing fit-for-purpose stadiums in great cities with plenty of hotels... New Zealand Eden Park (Auckland - 60,000 - potential finals venue) Sky Stadium (Wellington - 34,500) ForsythBarr Stadium (Dunedin - 31,000) Queensland Suncorp Stadium (Brisbane - 52,500 - potential finals venue) CBUS Stadium (Gold Coast - 28,000) New South Wales Stadium Australia (Sydney - 83,500 - potential finals venue) Sydney Football Stadium (Sydney - 45,000) CommBank Stadium (Sydney - 30,000) Victoria MCG (Melbourne - 100,000 - potential finals venue) AAMI Park (Melbourne - 30,000) Docklands Stadium (Melbourne - 54,000) South Australia Adelaide Oval (Adelaide - 55,000- potential finals venue) Sorry Perth... you're too far! Perth too far? What nonsense. The 2026 World Cup is being hosted in 3 different countries Canada, USA and Mexico. 48 Teams in the FIFA World Cup, up from 32 Teams. They will need every Stadium they can get their hands on for this 2030 or 2034 bid to be taken seriously. Perth will definitely host plenty of World Cup games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustralianFan Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Australian Kiwi said: As we head into 2022 I expect we will hear a decision as to whether Australia (possibly with NZ) will pursue a bid for the 2030 or 2034 (or both). Just thought it would be worth creating a thread for any news that may emerge. Personally I'd love to see the event staged with NZ (venues at Auckland and possibly Christchurch or Dunedin). In Australia most (if not all) of the venues would need to be centred along the east coast states (Vic. NSW and Qld). We have solid clusters of existing fit-for-purpose stadiums in great cities with plenty of hotels... New Zealand Eden Park (Auckland - 60,000 - potential finals venue) Sky Stadium (Wellington - 34,500) ForsythBarr Stadium (Dunedin - 31,000) Queensland Suncorp Stadium (Brisbane - 52,500 - potential finals venue) CBUS Stadium (Gold Coast - 28,000) New South Wales Stadium Australia (Sydney - 83,500 - potential finals venue) Sydney Football Stadium (Sydney - 45,000) CommBank Stadium (Sydney - 30,000) Victoria MCG (Melbourne - 100,000 - potential finals venue) AAMI Park (Melbourne - 30,000) Docklands Stadium (Melbourne - 54,000) South Australia Adelaide Oval (Adelaide - 55,000- potential finals venue) Sorry Perth... you're too far! 1 minute ago, AustralianFan said: Perth too far? What nonsense. The 2026 World Cup is being hosted in 3 different countries Canada, USA and Mexico. 48 Teams in the FIFA World Cup, up from 32 Teams. They will need every Stadium they can get their hands on for this 2030 or 2034 bid to be taken seriously. Perth will definitely host plenty of World Cup games. Brisbane ‘s brand new Olympic Stadium - The Gabba - 50,000 capacity >> with an underground train station. This new hi-tech stadium would definitely also also host World Cup Games. It previously hosted Olympic football games in 2000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AustralianFan Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 Three hosts, 48 teams: how the 2026 World Cup will work - The Guardian ”Fifa’s decision to award the united bid from the USA, Canada and Mexico the right to host the 2026 World Cup will bring us a 48-team tournament like no World Cup before. But how will it work?” “The 48 teams will be divided into 16 groups of three. The top two teams in each group will progress to a new knock-out phase of 32. It means that 16 teams will go home after playing just two matches, and critics have argued that a format featuring groups comprised of three teams is likely to be very unbalanced.” ”Supporters of expansion say the strength of the format is that while it adds 16 extra teams, it adds only 16 extra matches, and barely impacts the number of days it takes to play the tournament. The two teams who reach the final will have still played six matches to get there, as they currently do. In effect, 32 teams are still guaranteed to have at least three matches in the competition, which is what happens in the current 32 team format” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustralianFan Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 Townsville Country Bank Stadium Capacity: 25,000 - expandable with temporary grandstands Hosted 2021 Rugby League State of Origin Game With 48 Teams in the FIFA World Cup, would suit less popular matches Hosting Olympic Football matches at Brisbane 2032 Olympic Games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Australian Kiwi Posted January 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 Townsville is a great venue - my only thought is that its rather small for a WC. Otherwise other stadiums like Wyndham City (Melbourne) or Newcastle could be in the mix. Re: the Gabba. Its an oval with a relatively small capacity half of the MCG (therefore is it worth it over Suncorp or CBUS? Venues also need to be shared around). MCG is not a great football stadium, however with a 100,000+ capacity by 2030 following the upgrades it would be a contender for the Final. Perth is fairly far when you consider NZ (six hour flight). Not everywhere can host. Optus is a fancy stadium but its not a football stadium and its not the MCG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SportLightning Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 3 hours ago, Australian Kiwi said: Townsville is a great venue - my only thought is that its rather small for a WC. Otherwise other stadiums like Wyndham City (Melbourne) or Newcastle could be in the mix. Re: the Gabba. Its an oval with a relatively small capacity half of the MCG (therefore is it worth it over Suncorp or CBUS? Venues also need to be shared around). MCG is not a great football stadium, however with a 100,000+ capacity by 2030 following the upgrades it would be a contender for the Final. Perth is fairly far when you consider NZ (six hour flight). Not everywhere can host. Optus is a fancy stadium but its not a football stadium and its not the MCG. Perth (Australia) is going to be used as the venue for the 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup along with Hamilton (New Zealand) that was not mention on this topic. Perth is focusing right now on that FIFA Women's World Cup next year, same with Hamilton that you didn't mentioned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustralianFan Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 11 hours ago, Australian Kiwi said: Townsville is a great venue - my only thought is that its rather small for a WC. Otherwise other stadiums like Wyndham City (Melbourne) or Newcastle could be in the mix. Re: the Gabba. Its an oval with a relatively small capacity half of the MCG (therefore is it worth it over Suncorp or CBUS? Venues also need to be shared around). MCG is not a great football stadium, however with a 100,000+ capacity by 2030 following the upgrades it would be a contender for the Final. Perth is fairly far when you consider NZ (six hour flight). Not everywhere can host. Optus is a fancy stadium but its not a football stadium and its not the MCG. The new World Cup has 48 Teams, a big increase on the current 32 teams. Optus Stadium is a multi-purpose stadium in Perth and converts to rectangular mode for soccer and seats and additional 5,000 to total 65,000 spectators. With a population 2 million people in Perth most definitely be a venue in any World Cup bidinvolving Australia. Both Suncorp Stadium and the Gabba have a 50,000 spectator capacity, so both would be very suitablefoe a World Cup. Perth is a confirmed venue in the 2023 FIFA Womans World Cup, as Sportlightng said. Nothing at all stopping an oval shaped stadium becoming a World Cup Football venue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2012 Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 As fantastic a stadium as it is, Optus looks awful for football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustralianFan Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 49 minutes ago, Rob. said: As fantastic a stadium as it is, Optus looks awful for football. That photo of Optus Stadium is from a one-off friendly match with the stadium clearly staying in oval “AFL” mode. For a World Cup, it would convert to rectangular mode - click here to view. This image is Optus Stadium in recangular mode with capacity increased from 60,000 to 65,000 capacity. Design meets FIFA, International Rugby Board (IRB) and Australian Rugby League Commission (ARLC) standards and requirements. Accommodates rectangular sports with up to 5,000 drop in seats on all four sides of the pitch boundary, bringing fans closer to the action. Increased capacity, up to 65,000. Unobstructed, quality views of the field of play, regardless of seating configuration or the sporting event. 12 hour turnaround to install and/or remove drop in seats. Some of the largest home team facilities in Australia (450m2) including change room facilities, coaches briefing room and the warm-up space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustralianFan Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 16 hours ago, Australian Kiwi said: Townsville is a great venue - my only thought is that its rather small for a WC. Otherwise other stadiums like Wyndham City (Melbourne) or Newcastle could be in the mix. Townsville Stadium permanent capacity - 25,000 + 2,327 temporary grandstands = 27,327 total capacity Townsville to host State of Origin - capacity increase to 27,327 This puts Townsvills on par with Melbourne’s 30,000 seat AIMI Stadium on your list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustralianFan Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 On 1/18/2022 at 8:43 PM, Australian Kiwi said: MCG (Melbourne - 100,000 - potential finals venue) The Melbourne Cricket Ground (MCG) is an oval shaped venue. I understand that in Australia’s 2022 FIFA World Cup bid, the MCG capacity in FIFA mode was approx. 84,000 - not 100,000. Why Melbourne wasn’t in the running for 2023 FIFA Women’s World Cup Final - Sydney Morning Herald FIFA has officially accepted Perth’s Optus Stadium as a venue for matches in the 2023 FIFA Women’s World Cup. For a 2030 or 2034 World Cup bid by Australia and NZ, Perth’s 65,000 FIFA mode Optus Stadium would most definitely again be approved by FIFA for hosting matches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SportLightning Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 On 1/18/2022 at 1:43 AM, Australian Kiwi said: Stadium Australia (Sydney - 83,500 - potential finals venue) Sydney could be the venue for the final if its possible. Sydney is also the final for the 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup, so i think this could do the same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustralianFan Posted January 20, 2022 Report Share Posted January 20, 2022 Just in re Townsville Country Bank Stadium …... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotguy II Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 It is likely that NZ will bid for 2034 alone. The current government have been in talks with FIFA to bring the men's tournament to NZ. NZ meets all the criteria to host. in a few years time there will be a city rail in the biggest city Auckland and a new 35,000 stadium in Christchurch. Next years Women's world cup will be a dress rehearsal for the mens tournament. media here in nz and politicians have already stated that the opening ceremony to the women's tournament next year will rival if not pass that of the Sydney 2000 Olympic opening ceremony. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Australian Kiwi Posted August 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 On 11/5/2022 at 7:46 PM, Scotguy II said: It is likely that NZ will bid for 2034 alone. The current government have been in talks with FIFA to bring the men's tournament to NZ. NZ meets all the criteria to host. in a few years time there will be a city rail in the biggest city Auckland and a new 35,000 stadium in Christchurch. Next years Women's world cup will be a dress rehearsal for the mens tournament. media here in nz and politicians have already stated that the opening ceremony to the women's tournament next year will rival if not pass that of the Sydney 2000 Olympic opening ceremony. Are you actually for real? ____ The above aside.... I came here to post (even as a New Zealander) that I think Australia could possibly go 2034 alone. Thoughts of others? When you factor in our suite of regional stadiums, along with those in our major cities, its not too much of a stretch to see Australia absorb the full 16 stadia (although a number of smaller venues may require investment to increase capacity to 40,000 either temporarily or permanently). The only venue NZ has that would be of real benefit is Eden Park in Auckland. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 Well, first of all, just gotta say that I just don’t trust FIFA to ever do the right thing, or look further than their Swiss Cayman Islands bank accounts. That said, you’d think we’d have earned a few brownie points with this current tournament, and all things being fair in love and football… Under the traditional 32 team format, we probably could have and should have (and indeed did) bid on our own. But now with 48 teams, it probably makes more sense to co-bid. And while NZ is a natural partner, as you say, really it’s only Eden Park that they can bring to the table for the men’s WC. So why not bring in Indonesia? Geographically we’re even closer, diplomatically it would be a great bridge/friendship builder, it’s no more widespread than US-Canada-Mexico, and might help us get more support from the Asian Football Confederation this time. It even solves the Israel problem, they can play in Oz and hot have to sully Indonesia’s shores if they got through (and let’s face it, with 48 teams, you’re starting to look really second rate or unlucky if you can’t qualify - even the likes of Bhutan Vatican City and Disputed Zone must fancy their qualification chances now). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Australian Kiwi Posted August 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Sir Rols said: Well, first of all, just gotta say that I just don’t trust FIFA to ever do the right thing, or look further than their Swiss Cayman Islands bank accounts. That said, you’d think we’d have earned a few brownie points with this current tournament, and all things being fair in love and football… Under the traditional 32 team format, we probably could have and should have (and indeed did) bid on our own. But now with 48 teams, it probably makes more sense to co-bid. And while NZ is a natural partner, as you say, really it’s only Eden Park that they can bring to the table for the men’s WC. So why not bring in Indonesia? Geographically we’re even closer, diplomatically it would be a great bridge/friendship builder, it’s no more widespread than US-Canada-Mexico, and might help us get more support from the Asian Football Confederation this time. It even solves the Israel problem, they can play in Oz and hot have to sully Indonesia’s shores if they got through (and let’s face it, with 48 teams, you’re starting to look really second rate or unlucky if you can’t qualify - even the likes of Bhutan Vatican City and Disputed Zone must fancy their qualification chances now). Good points and agree fully with your comment on Indonesia. I guess with the new format its going to be an event of cohosts (China might be the only one who could comfortably pull off the event alone). I still would like to think Australia could pull it off solo - however it might be a stretch on the investment side coupled with the 2032 Olympics soaking up funding. Biggest threat to an AU/NZ bid for 2034 is a potential join SE (which Indo could be part of ). The rumoured bid centred on Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore could be a massive upset for AU/NZ - especially because it would likely be an outstanding new frontier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorchbearerSydney Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 I think AUS is talking more about linking with Indonesia than NZ or the World Cup ... and it would be great for Australia to forge closer ties with them. Indonesia is also the worlds 4th biggest country and will be a top 5 economy by mid century. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Australian Kiwi Posted August 13, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2023 So it seems like the joint ASEAN bid is falling apart before it began? Malaysia and Singapore apparently more keen to join in on an Australia/NZ bid. Quite interesting, and may be a better fit than Indonesia. AU/NZ/MY/SG 2034? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted August 13, 2023 Report Share Posted August 13, 2023 46 minutes ago, Australian Kiwi said: So it seems like the joint ASEAN bid is falling apart before it began? Malaysia and Singapore apparently more keen to join in on an Australia/NZ bid. Quite interesting, and may be a better fit than Indonesia. AU/NZ/MY/SG 2034? https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/how-singapore-and-malaysia-could-help-bring-a-men-s-fifa-world-cup-to-australia-20230810-p5dvj2.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Australian Kiwi Posted August 13, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2023 On 8/9/2023 at 5:21 PM, TorchbearerSydney said: I think AUS is talking more about linking with Indonesia than NZ or the World Cup ... and it would be great for Australia to forge closer ties with them. Indonesia is also the worlds 4th biggest country and will be a top 5 economy by mid century. It could be incredible to see a stadium in Bali - an Australian match there (although unlikely) would be like a home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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