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2 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said:

And then of the "regular" countries, I think it would be Belgium for Antwerp 1920 for the regular SOGs--as the smallest sovereign country to have hosted an Olympic Games.  

Finland says no.

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20 hours ago, yoshi said:

I mean at this point, are Aragon just gonna dump Catalonia and go it alone - if this bid has any future at all? Between Zaragoza, Jaca, Andorra, and whatever else is in Aragon (tbh I don't know any other cities there) is there enough for all the indoor sports that Barcelona would've had?

it is better to name it as the "Zaragoza 2030" bid, with inclusion of Huesca and Jaca (all in Aragon region/province)

a branching in Andorra (for freestyle for exampke) would spook whole the bid

it can be names also the ARAGON 2030 bid but prefered a city name rather then region name (aka pyeongchang 2018)

but its vice versa COE wishes that aragon supports the catalonian bid instead of Barcelona CAN support a zaragoza bid

the spaniards can have a 2ND olympic city in history, Barcelona doesnt need a 2nd olympic ettiquette

the Samaranch-Junior COE wants to create a SARAJEVO-LEGACY-ROMANTISM that could cost respectively a lot of mony and organisational problems, but they want to surpass/exceed the GRANADA 2015 WINTER UNIVERSIADE example.. could it be called succes that at those 2015 winter universiade the ski-jumping & nordic-combined leg was organised on slovakian soil in STRBSKE PLESO >> 2015 Winter Universiade - Wikipedia

° this worked in 2015 on smaller scale.. would it be a succes on larger scale..

° the gliding-center in TREBEVICE-SARAJEVO awaits a decent reconstruction and/or refurbishing

° the ski-jump facility at MALO POLJE-IGMAN mountain awaits the same costs to make viable/feasable

° meanwhike SARAJEVO has build a lot of better hotels and already-succesfully organised the WINTER EYOF 2019

° 2030-1984=46 years of samaranch-sarajevo legacy > 2034-1984=50 years sarajevo-again (with exellent flora/snow)

>> is this project doable achievable AND would this bring a unique refreshment in olympic hisyory? COE goes for this?!

 

i found here a black/white video about the preparations for the ski-jumping facilty build with man-power back then - for about 40 seconds beginning from minute 5:00 + a view of todays malo polje ski jump towers..

 

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source: Malo Polje, Sarajevo  »  Ski Jumping Hill Archive  »  skisprungschanzen.com

 

skakaonice_igman_5.jpg

source: Skakaonice na Igmanu (sa-c.net)  //  RECONSTRUCTION PLANS

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1 hour ago, SportLightning said:

That would be difficult with Andorra for freestyle skiing.

sportlithing.. please stop with re-producing (with each time 1) sentence of previous comments of other users.. you do this in every thread.. you dont read with counsciousness whats written and are reproducing only sentences to have written something.. STOP with that because you are causing a miscommunication..

i said AS EXAMPLE freestyle in ANDORRA.. it is an example.. >> but your re-produced sentence of mine creates an atmosphere as there IS/HAS been made a decission by the COE (Committee Olympic of Espana).. THATS NOT TRUE

İT İS ONLY AN EXAMPLE.. DONT PRODUCE IN A DRY WAY SENTENCES OF OTHER USERS.. think twice what there is written.. please !!

BTW why would it be difficult for andorra to organise freestyle skiing? do you have scientific information on this issue that we dont have.. on wich criteria DO YOU THİNK that it would be difficult..  give some MORE sentences of your own thinking!

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for those who are interested about an eventual use of the sarajevo gliding center in a barcelona 2030 bid.. i made an amateur research on that gliding-facility.. to understand an eventual cluster in the balcan-region.. ^_^

 

 

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On 5/29/2022 at 2:54 PM, fusilli said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbyjKxMCy8o&ab_channel=9NEWS

This garganturesque structure and the infinite time to finish it just shows much about local obstinacy

Now this... You might have a more workable idea than whatever COE is having with that bid. It would indeed keep the focus at the place where the action is mostly at, even though Barcelona part´s might be the thing made to lure that IOC votes.

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Pyrenees-Barcelona bid for 2030 Winter Olympics on brink of collapse with COE set to announce withdrawal

The Pyrenees-Barcelona bid for the 2030 Winter Olympic Games is reportedly on the brink of collapse, with the Spanish Olympic Committee (COE) poised to withdraw the project unless a late agreement is reached between the Governments of Aragon and Catalonia.

Infighting over issues including the allocation of events has hampered progress on the project.

International Olympic Committee (IOC) technical inspections have taken place in Sapporo, Vancouver and Salt Lake City, who are all aiming to host the Games in 2030, but a visit of a delegation to Spain was delayed by the COE.

Last month, referenda in nine of Catalonia's 42 comarques scheduled for July 24 were postponed, with the regional Government's Minister of the Presidency Laura Vilagrà Pons blaming "uncertainty".

Four in-person meeting s have been held between representatives of the COE, the Spanish Government and regional administrations in Aragon and Catalonia since the end of April, most recently last Tuesday (June 7).

Aragon's Minister of Education and Sports Felipe Faci insisted that the bid needed to be put forward "in equal footing", and that Alpine skiing events must be shared between the two regions, as reported by Aragon-based newspaper Heraldo.

However, Heraldo has reported that the parties are no closer to an agreement, and the COE President Alejandro Blanco could withdraw Pyrenees-Barcelona's candidacy in the near future.

There are no further meetings are currently planned between Governmental representatives.

The Government of Aragon is unhappy with the distribution of events for the 2030 Winter Olympics, and President Javier Lambán has not spoken to the COE since the end of March ©Getty Images
The Government of Aragon is unhappy with the distribution of events for the 2030 Winter Olympics, and President Javier Lambán has not spoken to the COE since the end of March ©Getty Images
A standalone bid from Aragon or Catalonia has been mooted, with the latter believed to be best placed for this to proceed as an option.

The Generalitat's President Pere Aragonès and Vilagrà met with the Prime Minister of Sarajevo Canton Edin Forto in April to discuss the possibility of some sports holding their competitions in Bosnia and Herzegovina's capital, notably the sliding events.

However, a bid from Catalonia could face opposition from Spanish President Pedro Sánchez amid support for separatism in the region, with Catalan newspaper Ara noting the central Government's reservations over such a proposal.

The region voted for independence in a 2017 referendum before it was declared unconstitutional by the Spanish Government.

The relationship between the Government in Aragon and the COE is strained.

Aragon's President Javier Lambán has said that he is "anything but optimistic" for the 2030 bid, as reported by Heraldo, and has not spoken to Blanco since the end of March.

Spain has never held the Winter Olympics, although Barcelona was a Summer Games host in 1992.

The IOC is aiming to name the 2030 host at next year's Session in Mumbai.

https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1124488/pyrenees-barcelona-2030-brink-collapse

It´s over now.

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On 6/12/2022 at 1:11 PM, htg61484 said:

Now this... You might have a more workable idea than whatever COE is having with that bid. It would indeed keep the focus at the place where the action is mostly at, even though Barcelona part´s might be the thing made to lure that IOC votes.

AND IT´S FINALLY DONE. Goodbye, disjointed spanish bid, you lasted far longer than you should had.

 

NOW GO FOR A SUMMER GAMES ALREADY!

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Just now, htg61484 said:

AND IT´S FINALLY DONE. Goodbye, disjointed spanish bid, you lasted far longer than you should had.

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NOW GO FOR A SUMMER GAMES ALREADY!

Nashville is too hot there. It has to be another country as a potential bidder could step in. I already mention Borjomi (Georgia. There's also Almaty (Kazakhstan) who almost got the 2022 edition, Leipzig (Germany) looking for the bid for the second time but winter, Savoy (France) looking to bring the Winter Olympics back to the French soil and finally Sarajevo (Bosnia and Herzegovina) hoping to host for the second time as it did in 1984. One of them could replace Barcelona as the fourth candidate.

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6 hours ago, htg61484 said:

Nashville is too hot there. It has to be another country as a potential bidder could step in. I already mention Borjomi (Georgia. There's also Almaty (Kazakhstan) who almost got the 2022 edition, Leipzig (Germany) looking for the bid for the second time but winter, Savoy (France) looking to bring the Winter Olympics back to the French soil and finally Sarajevo (Bosnia and Herzegovina) hoping to host for the second time as it did in 1984. One of them could replace Barcelona as the fourth candidate.

I'm with you on that, i think Borjomi could step in.

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and the drama continues...

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Aragon President Lambán claims COE was aiding Catalan independence with 2030 Winter Olympics bid

Aragon President Javier Lambán has claimed that the Spanish Olympic Committee (COE) was an acting as ally to the Catalan independence movement through its perceived bias towards the region during the ill-fated Pyrenees-Barcelona 2030 bid process.

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Former Spanish basketball player and International Olympic Committee (IOC) Athletes' Commission member Pau Gasol is among those to have expressed frustration at collapse of the bid.

"The decision of the COE seems right to me because the candidacy has tried to politicise, especially from the part of Aragon," Gasol said.

"As Alejandro Blanco [COE President] has said, Catalonia has had exemplary behaviour and of which I am proud."

This, as well as other criticism, triggered Lambán to hit back on Twitter.

Lambán said three-time Olympic medallist Gasol "should be better informed" and claimed "sporting criteria" was not dictating the COE's actions.

"In this case, it has been an ally of [Catalan] independence", Lambán claimed.

...

full article here: https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1125186/lamban-claims-coe-catalan-ally-2030

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Spain were always going to struggle to put together a bid.

At present it seems that if you do not have the two key pieces of infrastructure - hill & sliding run - you are always going to be up against it.

In Europe you are likely looking at the following

Lyon/Grenoble - to take advantage of the facilities in the French Alps and also squeak the arenas (1992)

Zurich/St Moritz - with the hill at Engleberg if they could only pass a referendum (1948)

Munich - probably the most ready candidate (1936)

Oslo/Lillehammer (1994)

Salzburg/Innsbruck (1976)

Everywhere else will struggle to host but if France, Germany, Norway, Switzerland, or Austria put together even an average bid they'd have to be considered amongst the favourites if not the favourites if only because none of these major Winter Sports nations have hosted for at least 28years (and 36years by 2030)

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