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51 minutes ago, Olympics2028 said:

Covid-19 ruined Tokyo's games. The general financial/cultural/political nature of Brazil ruined Rio's games.

In both cases, too many venues had spectators dressed up as empty seats. That put a damper on those Olympic games. Even the 2016 marathon seemed to draw fewer bystanders than I've ever seen at past games.

In the case of Sydney 2000, London 2012 or Atlanta 1996, I wasn't wowed by aspects of them. But the large attendance that those games generated is why I wouldn't mind seeing the Olympics return to certainly Sydney and London. 

We're getting another Olympics in Australia, just not in Sydney

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2 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

And despite your misplaced notions of LA's success because you don't like where the flagpoles might be located, they're probably going to be a smash hit.

Hey, don't laugh or mock.

The devil is in the details.

Look at how 1996 came off better because of that one detail (with cooperation from mother nature too).

By contrast, look at 2012 (British soldiers swing their arms too widely).

 

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2 hours ago, Olympics2028 said:

Covid-19 ruined Tokyo's games. The general financial/cultural/political nature of Brazil ruined Rio's games.

In both cases, too many venues had spectators dressed up as empty seats. That put a damper on those Olympic games. Even the 2016 marathon seemed to draw fewer bystanders than I've ever seen at past games.

No, the western-media doom-&-gloom over the Zika virus (which hardly was anything, especially when you compare it to Coronavirus) & greatly polluted Guanabara Bay, is what kept many spectators away, especially western ones. It's akin to Athens 2004, which was another Olympics with many empty seats, after the western media kept scrutinizing "how safe" those Games would be, since they were going to be the first Summer Olympics post-9/11.  

2 hours ago, Olympics2028 said:

In the case of Sydney 2000, London 2012 or Atlanta 1996, I wasn't wowed by aspects of them. But the large attendance that those games generated is why I wouldn't mind seeing the Olympics return to certainly Sydney and London. 

And what do all those Games have in common? They're ALL in English-speaking, western countries. The western media hardly paints any negative press when it comes to Games in these locales.

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20 minutes ago, FYI said:

And what do all those Games have in common? They're ALL in English-speaking, western countries. The western media hardly paints any negative press when it comes to Games in these locales.

We really should put our friend here in touch with the NOlympics LA folks.  While they're complaining about things like the homeless problem and policing, there can be a voice in the crowd yelling "and they're probably not going to have a choir, it's an outrage!"

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7 minutes ago, StefanMUC said:

Once every thread turned into a Brisbane thread thanks to someone, now every thread turns into an LA thread thanks to someone else…time to extend the ignore list, I guess.

They’re not ALL about LA. There’s lots of things that annoy him in the Olympics

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29 minutes ago, StefanMUC said:

Once every thread turned into a Brisbane thread thanks to someone, now every thread turns into an LA thread thanks to someone else…time to extend the ignore list, I guess.

Can you just imagine these boards come the summers of 2028 AND 2032?! UGH, I shutter to think!! :rolleyes:

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1 hour ago, Quaker2001 said:

We really should put our friend here in touch with the NOlympics LA folks.  While they're complaining about things like the homeless problem and policing, there can be a voice in the crowd yelling "and they're probably not going to have a choir, it's an outrage!"

 

Hey, now THAT will be a good cause!

Get cracking, 2028 OOC!

 

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3 minutes ago, Olympics2028 said:

Correct. Thank you.

I also don't care for the Olympics because they use way too much carbon gas.

Speaking of gas, they also tend to cause diarrhea. I believe they also trigger psoriasis.

Damn, Pierre de Coubertin. You should have left well enough alone.

Come to think of it, I don't know if the flagpoles at the LA 1984 games were a bit too short.

Look at how stumpy those 3 poles to the right of the Olympic flag were. Bleh:

 

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26 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

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How dare you. Nothing wrong with being a crackpot. Nothing at all.

By the way, I don't know if the flagpoles at the 2012 summer games were too tall. They may have blocked sightlines in London's Olympic stadium.

Hey, Sebastian Coe, I'm a better crackpot than you are. If you weren't, you'd have demanded the Spice Girls do way more of their famous songs.

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Just now, Olympics2028 said:

 

How dare you. Nothing wrong with being a crackpot. Nothing at all.

By the way, I don't know if the flagpoles at the 2012 summer games were too tall. They may have blocked sightlines in London's Olympic stadium.

Hey, Sebastian Coe, I'm a better crackpot than you are. If you weren't, you'd have demanded the Spice Girls do way more of their famous songs.

You're way too obsesed with london 2012 ceremonies, are you ok?

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3 hours ago, Olympics2028 said:

Correct. Thank you.

I also don't care for the Olympics because they use way too much carbon gas.

Speaking of gas, they also tend to cause diarrhea. I believe they also trigger psoriasis.

Damn, Pierre de Coubertin. You should have left well enough alone.

Come to think of it, I don't know if the flagpoles at the LA 1984 games were a bit too short.

Look at how stumpy those 3 poles to the right of the Olympic flag were. Bleh:

 

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Olympics2038, this has nothing to do with Pyranees-Barcelona-Zaragoza 2030.

Off-topic flooding of irrelevant  posts again

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22 hours ago, iceman530 said:

This bid needs to figure out something with that slide track.  Having it way the hell over in France is pretty obscene.  I get that being spread out is no longer scary, but there has to be something within reason there.

Not really much choice unless they want to do what Squaw Valley did and say sliding events are off the schedule because a sliding track isn't feasible financially. It's not just the sliding track either. Spain really has no need for a ski jump or a speed skating oval either. Having sliding and nordic combined in France is the cheapest and most cost effective option. Both a sliding track and ski jump would become white elephants in the Pyrenees.

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5 hours ago, stryker said:

Not really much choice unless they want to do what Squaw Valley did and say sliding events are off the schedule because a sliding track isn't feasible financially. 

Germany would boycott!!!

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On 3/25/2022 at 12:37 AM, stryker said:

.. because a sliding track isn't feasible financially. It's not just the sliding track either. Spain really has no need for a ski jump or a speed skating oval either. Having sliding and nordic combined in France is the cheapest and most cost effective option. Both a sliding track and ski jump would become white elephants in the Pyrenees.

i dont think like you striker, its rapidly said in stead of thinking deeper about the winter-sport intentions of a sports-country like spain:

ITFP spain need those facilities to decrease winter-sport-engagement for generations to come, to perform better at each new wog. to commercialise they can be a center for wintersports for whole the spanish-speaking world and they could even organise hispano-winter-championships in apart winter-sports-branches that will leave a big legacy in the iberian country, because they will be the first & ONLY ones as winter facilities.. they want be elephants because they could built those in several middle-large/little cities..

i have reviewd the milano-cortina bid and they MUST/WİLL built SPEED-OVAL at VAL Dİ FİEMME, because they have none at milan.. they also have to expand/revamp/refurbish their biatlhon, ski jump, cross country venues.. EVEN curling will be hed in the village where they renewd d'AMPEZZO olympic sports hall of 1956 .. not iconic but efficient venue.. the italian economy is also not awesome nowadays, nor the spanish economy is but they have a lot in common.

the spaniards MUST build their gliding center, this would be the one and only big cost.. the chinese can built it.. the sarajevı gliding is not effectieve, because it is made of 100% concrete, whereas the new glidings contain wood/technological structures.. also the sarajevo gliding is squirming/twisting through forest/bushes and would be dangerous because of the fact that it would not meet the new norms and speeds/rapidities of new generation bobs etc..

ski jumping and ovals and half pipes can be rapidly build, even zaragoza can built one or two in a same complex.. the city renewed it city center and had their expo in 2008 that could be used as the medal ceremonies..

will post a new opinion about an eventual spanish wog bid without barcelona.. a new concept-perception is needed i think.. the name and location of barcelona spoils a lot of things.. the could ho simply for ZARAGOZA 2030/34

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11 minutes ago, fatixxx said:

will post a new opinion about an eventual spanish wog bid without barcelona.. a new concept-perception is needed i think.. the name and location of barcelona spoils a lot of things.. the could ho simply for ZARAGOZA 2030/34

I tend to agree. Okay, there’s perhaps good reason to anchor Barcelona in the bid in regard to facilities and legacies, but I’d be a lot more supportive if it could be more of a Zaragoza 2030 labelled bid in itself.

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On 2/8/2022 at 2:06 PM, kiwi said:

really not a fan of how the IOC are letting hosts share names. It is just confusing. The 2026 W olympics for example should just be called Milan 2026. And same with 2030, Barcelona 2030 looks and feels better then Pyranees-Barcelona-Zaragoza 2030. 

i want to bring another concept-perception / another angle of naming a wog

 

the problem-thing at the wogs is actually you need 2 certain issues > a city cluster & a mountain cluster

the games has to be named (as you say) referring to the city-cluster as it was with: (beginning from 2000)

slc 2002 .. torino-2006 .. vancouver 2010 .. sochi 2014 .. beijing 2022

but the 2018 games were named after the province/district of pyeongchang with years of work they created alpensia

2018 had not specific a city-cluster but more a sea-coast-cluster in the city of gangneung (capital of another province)

2026 spoils the trend of naming a wog, i will explain it beneath

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i think in all these wogs city-clusters (torino, milano, sochi, slc, gangneug) NONE of them NEVER hosted a summer olympics.. the BARCELONA-LABEL is blocked in the backmind with BARCELONA=SUMMER-OLYMPICS.. the spaniards have to get rid of this barcelona-labeling and thus also get rid of an eventual catalunis's wog-referendum and their political-struggle/friction with that region.. (imho)

 

But to build up the analogy-1:

once get rid of catalonia/barcelona the pyeongchang-like province naming can do it well.. for example:

(11 letters) PYEONGCHANG 2018 = ARAGON 2030 (6 letters) 

But to build up the analogy-2:

(13 letters) MİLANO-CORTİNA 2026 = ZARAGOZA-JACA 2030 (12 letters)

 

the analogy of 2026 is that MİLANO is the western outpost and CORTİNA d'ampezzo the eastern outpost that overlaps şn total 3 provinces/regions, but at the complicated end the slogan is a miscue of the reslity on the ground as it says the following: DUALİTY, UNİTY .. an organization in 6 locations with 9 sub-locations .. 2026 will be the most widest winter olympşc games in history with a total overspan of (NOT LİNEER) a devistating 255 km between the outposts. How wil the italians will do the traffic-jam between those 9-10 sub/locations.. whereby the aragon province has a more lineer axes similar with sochi-and-beijing.

 

in the next post i will add a map where i did indicate those elements.

in this case ZARAGOZA is the southern outpost and JACA the most northern outpost with the somport-border just at the border with france

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10 minutes ago, fatixxx said:

in the next post i will add a map where i did indicate those elements.

in this case ZARAGOZA is the southern outpost and JACA the most northern outpost with the somport-border-crossing just at the border with france

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