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19 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

 

We’ll have to agree to disagree.

 

best @AustralianFan, i am happy that i have my good portion british culture build in the education system of the flemish part in belgium.. ive got british english in whole my education life and finalizing (also) with a good portion of (liberal enough) debate-culture.. im from 1979 and am 43 nowadays.. and know very good where the world is turning to.. the world needs very quick a NEW YALTA CONFERENCE = dividing of the world between hegemonic powers AGAIN

in this "POWER OF BALANCE" there is NO PLACE for a muslim and/or african country.. the establishment in the USA + UK + GER + FRA >> in those 4 countries DONT WANT TO SHARE their gliding-away power-field/s with especially 3 growing and strong regional-powers on the mark, these are .. RUS/TUR/CHN >>  (see beneath > orientalism)

 

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im in favor of the fight/debating of ideas/statements vice versa pro/contra with the needed argumentation of the criteria of what you believe in to convince the counterparty.. >> thats the main methodology of debating.. whereby "respect = dialogue" .. but doing this without arguments/criteria and/or verifying research of both sides to get the best (thesis + anti-thesis =) synthesis.. 

now have said this: if you want to "agree to disagree" thats fine, but with one annotate: it must be with equal debate.. the problem or the stuck-up thing ratherly said in the west and particularly in anglo-saxon spoken + germanic countries is; that they look via ORIENTALISM-ORIENTALIST glasses to all issues concerning muslim/african/eastern countries.

There are thousands of academic researchs on this issue.. the western written & audio-visual media widens + deepens orientalism as it is the most powerfull one in terms of mony and international loby..

 

but the most simple definition is (to make a long story short):

"Orientalism is a collective institution dealing with the Orient/EAST; that is: it makes judgments about the Orient, approves self-made opinions about the Orient, describes, teaches, inhabits, governs; In short, it is the West's way of 'dominating the East, re-establishing it and being its superior."

 

its almost impossible for an OCCIDENTALIST (the opposite of an orientalist) to equal an issue/opinion whereby the orientalist opinion doesnt want to debate AND walks away without answeers, because of the "being superior-behave"..

and thats for exemple what you do constantly and im aware of that.. the person who does this continuously and rudly is @StefanMUC.. he throws his hate in an egoistic-orientalist way and runs away AND ABOVE ALL he bloked me, whereas he sees blanco sharings of mine to avoid mine pro-active way of counter attack to enforce a decent debate, but he is a coward all the way.. 

normally to have an healty/positive conversation the orientalist has to give his/her argument on the/a criteria mentioned by the occidentalist, so there can be an honest/correct outcome of the reality of an targeted issue.. that will give also a happy ending for both sides and creates synthesis.. the orientalism for example from THE GUARDIAN in our case, is such an example dyed on every level with hypocrisy to reach the goal full with unrelated-lies.. to support directly the opposition leadership of erdoğan (see schared youtube video of usa president biden), thats how it worx for more than a centennial .. & to minimalise the increasing power of turkiye in the region. the west  knows very good that they cant work strategicly in the middle east without asking turkiye's opinion, but the west resist to talk on equal-level with turkiye.. we are the 2nd strongest NATO-ALLY, a military powerhouse in the region, and powerfull enough in contradictionary for the west, because a muslim country MUSNT be as powerfull maybe over-powerfull seen by those aforementioned/especially 4 western countries..

 

On 11/18/2022 at 8:48 PM, StefanMUC said:

By 2036, Erdo will be gone most likely. That could be a plus, depending in what state he leaves the country and who comes after him.

Which is also begging the question if the IOC would be willing to take the risk of not knowing what will happen once he‘s gone.

 

İ am prepared to give PRO-ACTIVE answers to this orientalist-german coward..

what is he insinuating : a coup again ??

 

1// for his first question (in red colour) i did make research for 4 weeks, and found astonishing progresses.. i will share them in the following message that i will share.. turkiye is now (the chinese) economic powerhouse of europe and the middle east.

2// for his second question (in red colour) it cant be worse because the opposition party will high-likely will govern after his last term in office from 2023 till 2028. ANYWAY the opposition and istanbul's worst mayor in history are the baby-lambs of the west AND the GUARDIAN in particular.. THUS @StefanMUC is in contradiction with his own statement because he didnt thougt about the intellectual-assessment of his sentences, he wrote them with hate and not with an eventual debate-consciousness > this causes also a reduction of the forum-debate-quality.. on forums are every sentences that are written OPEN FOR DEBATE.. that why the phpbb systems evoluated to share & connect and more..

 

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macron & erdoğan next to eachother at the final match in lusail stadium qatar.. macron is photographed with his energetic temperament..

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the emir of qatar (temim bin hamad el sani) & erdoğan are very good friends.. the emir invited & thanked turkish leader for the turkish policemen who served flawless at whole the worldcup

 

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turkish president met also with fifa boss infantino & with elin musk too..

 

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source-1: Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan, Dünya Kupası finalini izledi (ensonhaber.com)

sourcr-2: Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan 2022 FIFA Dünya Kupası final maçında Elon Musk ile görüştü - Yeni Şafak (yenisafak.com) / with video

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2 hours ago, FYI said:

Lol, in that first pic, other than Macron, everyone else appears to be bored to tears, especially Erdogan.

i dont think so.. because he is so concentrated than those youve mentioned fyi.. 

erdoğan knows very well what football is, because he played himself as a young man by fenerbahçe fc.. the top football club in turkiye.. thanx anyway for your little input ;)

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On 11/18/2022 at 8:48 PM, StefanMUC said:

Which is also begging the question if the IOC would be willing to take the risk of not knowing what will happen once he‘s gone

 

>> this question is out-dated: as it is applicable for each country & leader in the world..

>> for example: RİO 2016 > LULA brought the olymoics to brazil.. what happened after him?

>> did the IOC had knowledge of what happened after him.. did/does the IOC has/had a christal-ball to see the future ?? :ph34r::blink:B)

>> there was made a legislative coup.. temer became transitional president.. the games went further as usual.. 

 

On 11/18/2022 at 8:48 PM, StefanMUC said:

By 2036, Erdo will be gone most likely. That could be a plus, depending in what state he leaves the country and who comes after him.

 

>> ok @StefanMUC, LOOK & READ very carefully in what state he will leave the country: @AustralianFan also will be a witness what erdoğan did as a visionary leader with the country/world since 2002 (his first premiership) till now 2022 with his presidentship: in the last 20 years we could only dream of the list beneath, if we didnt have him as the most beloved leader in the country and the most attacked leader in the world..

THUS a big leader like erdoğan doesnt have time to be bussy with the show of İSTANBUL's CLOW-MAYOR.. as he is been punished today (21.12.2022) by the opposition-leader in the party-meeting at the assembly building, because he stole in 1 day the candidancy of the opposition leader (when he was in germany) in the spot towards the 2023 elections..

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(14.12.2022) the "so-called" rival of erdoğan, imamoğlu did PR-oppression to the judge in his own case..  to create sensational news whereby the GUARDIAN countered BUT fell into diagrace and a big lie..  

after 1 week/7 days, it is day-clear that erdoğan has nothing to do with this cheap and TRAGICOMIC jail-sentence.. so the over-ambition of the istanbul mayor is tapped on the fingers.. that he caused indignation and caused damage to the political party that brought hşm as candidate to the city of istanbul..

 

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1 hour ago, fatixxx said:

erdoğan is not a dictator, he is the most visionary leader in the world at the moment

Istanbul’s hopes for the  2036 Olympic Games are as far away as ever with a litany of human rights abuses by this dictatorial government in Turkey.

If you want to worship Erdogan ona pedestal, that’s up to you.

If he gives you comfort, that’s up to you.

If you want to whitewash Erdogan and paint him as a saint, put your head in the sand and ignore what’s happening in Turkey, that’s up to you.

But you are not the authority of what the government of Erdogan is doing in Turkey.  

There are many eyes on what is really happening in Turkey and that is called the free press.

Human Rights Abuses in Turkey

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(Istanbul) – Turkish police attacked and arrested hundreds of people at the Istanbul Pride March on June 26, 2022, in a sweeping display of violence and discrimination against lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people, Human Rights Watch said today. The authorities also arrested journalists reporting on the event.

 

Source - Human Rights Watch:  Turkey: Mass Arrests, Anti-LGBT Violence at Pride - 30 June 2022

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13 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

 

Istanbul’s hopes for the  2036 Olympic Games are as far away as ever with a litany of human rights abuses by this dictatorial government in Turkey.

If you want to worship Erdogan ona pedestal, that’s up to you.

If he gives you comfort, that’s up to you.

If you want to whitewash Erdogan and paint him as a saint, put your head in the sand and ignore what’s happening in Turkey, that’s up to you.

But you are not the authority of what the government of Erdogan is doing in Turkey.  

There are many eyes on what is really happening in Turkey and that is called the free press.

Human Rights Abuses in Turkey

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(Istanbul) – Turkish police attacked and arrested hundreds of people at the Istanbul Pride March on June 26, 2022, in a sweeping display of violence and discrimination against lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people, Human Rights Watch said today. The authorities also arrested journalists reporting on the event.

 

Source - Human Rights Watch:  Turkey: Mass Arrests, Anti-LGBT Violence at Pride - 30 June 2022

 

Istanbul 2036 Olympic bid - Human Rights crackdowns of Erdogan

Turkish police fire rubber bullets as thousands march to demand end to violence against women

Turkish police have fired tear gas and rubber bullets at thousands of women protesting against male violence in Istanbul.

The demonstrators gathered in the capital to mark International Day for the Elimination of Violence against Women.

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Source - ABC News Australia:     Turkish police fire rubber bullets as thousands march to demand end to violence against women

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Istanbul 2036 Olympic Candidature:  Violent Human Rights violations in Gezi Park 2013

Turkey accused of gross human rights violations in Gezi Park protests

Turkish authorities committed human rights violations on a massive scale in the government’s attempts to crush the Gezi Park protests this summer said Amnesty International.”

“In a report published today the organization details the worst excesses of police violence, during the protests, the failure to bring these abuses to justice and the subsequent prosecution and harassment of those that took part.”

”The attempt to smash the Gezi Park protest movement involved a string of human rights violations on a huge scale.”

”They include the wholesale denial of the right to peaceful assembly and violations of the rights to life, liberty and the freedom from torture and ill-treatment,” said Andrew Gardner, Amnesty International’s expert on Turkey.”

The report documents how:

  • “Protesters and others were severely beaten resulting in one death and scores of injuries”
  • “Police frequently fired plastic bullets directly at protesters’ heads and upper bodies”
  • “Tear gas canisters were routinely fired directly at protestors, bystanders and sometimes into residential buildings and medical facilities, resulting in hundreds of injuries and, according to witnesses, at least one death”
  • “Chemical irritants were added to water cannon supply tanks”
  • “Women protesters were sexually abused by law enforcement officials”
  • “Live ammunition was used, killing one protester”
  • “The levels of violence used by police in the course of Gezi Park protests clearly show what happens when poorly trained, poorly supervised police officers are instructed to use force – and encouraged to use it unsparingly – safe in the knowledge that they are unlikely ever to be identified or prosecuted for their abuses,“ said Andrew Gardner.”

Amnesty International - Turkey accused of gross human rights violations in Gezi Park protests - 2 October 2013

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This quote from the Paris 2024 thread:

2 hours ago, fatixxx said:

 

erdoğan is not a dictator, he is the most visionary leader in the world at the moment

 

Istanbul 2036 Olympic candidature - 

Turkey withdraws from European treaty protecting women from gender-based violence

Is this why you call Erdogan a “visionary leader” ?

Sorry fatixx, I like you as a gamesbids contributor but you are talking a load of nonsense about Erdogan.  I’m sorry, but you clearly are.

Erdogan himself is hurting greatly Istanbul’s chances of getting an Olympics awarded by a majority of the full IOC Assembly any time soon.

Erdogan himself is causing great harm.

Turkey has withdrawn from a landmark European treaty protecting women from violence.

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The county was the first to sign the Istanbul Convention treaty, named after its largest city, a decade ago.

President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan provided no reason for the withdrawal, but the annulment is a blow to women's rights advocates, who say the agreement is crucial to combating domestic violence.

The convention had split Mr Erdogan's ruling AK Party (AKP) and even his family.

Last year, officials said the government was mulling pulling out amid a row over how to curb growing violence against women.

The Council of Europe's Secretary-General, Marija Pejčinović Burić, called the decision "devastating".

They see that as a threat to Turkish families.

"Preserving our traditional social fabric" will protect the dignity of Turkish women, Vice-President Fuat Oktay said on Twitter.

"For this sublime purpose, there is no need to seek the remedy outside or to imitate others."

Hate speech and femicide on the rise in Turkey

“Critics of the withdrawal have said it would put Turkey further out of step with the European Union, which it remains as a candidate to join.”

“They argue the convention, and legislation approved in its wake, need to be implemented more stringently.”

“Turkey does not keep official statistics on femicide.”

“But the rate roughly tripled in the last 10 years, according to a group that monitors femicide.”

“A total of 77 women have been killed since the start of the year, according to the We Will Stop Femicide Platform.”

“At least 409 women were killed in 2020, according to the group.”

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Turkey withdraws from European treaty protecting women from gender-based violence - 20 March 2021 - ABC News Australia

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2 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

 

1// Istanbul’s hopes for the  2036 Olympic Games are as far away as ever with a litany of human rights abuses by this dictatorial government in Turkey.

2// If you want to worship Erdogan ona pedestal, that’s up to you.

3// If he gives you comfort, that’s up to you.

4// If you want to whitewash Erdogan and paint him as a saint, put your head in the sand and ignore what’s happening in Turkey, that’s up to you.

4// But you are not the authority of what the government of Erdogan is doing in Turkey.  

5// There are many eyes on what is really happening in Turkey and that is called the free press.

1// there are NO HOPES for the 2036 Olympic Games as i mentioned for several times, YOU ARE REPEATING in a SILLY WAY as a BROKEN CASSETTE the same lie over and over again.. there is NO dictatorial governlent in Turkiye and NO human right abuses.. AS erdogan is NO PROPONENT ANYMORE for a eventual games in Turkiye.. only our CLOWN OF A MAYOR wants olympics in a burned out bussystem AND ruined metro system.. you are a stubbornness @AustralianFan

2// you make yourself WORSHIP of a PEDESTAL in your own way stubbornness repeating casette.. harsh yourself

3// erdoğan gives comfort to whole the people of the muslim world, africa, asia as Türkiye is the first country in the world helping people in poverty and warzones..  Mentioned ABOVE..

4// erdoğan doesnt to be whitewashed, he is only BLACKWASHED by rich western lying media, and nobody puts heads in the sand and ignores what happens in Türkiye, the WEST dont want to see the reallity and thus puts their own heads in the sand !! you doing still the same: OVERREACTING with BLACKWASH than giving DECENT ANSWERS in this debate

4// i dont have to be the/an authority of what erdoğan does with HIS DEMOCRATICALLY CHOSEN PRESİDENTSHİP, you as the west ARE NOT THE AUTHORITY to write DEFAMATION /vilification on what happenes in Türkiye 

5// there are many eyes on turkiye who are writing false and slander news in Türkiye CALLED the western-bought and western-supported,. NOT free press BUT bought press.. journalists for sale..

THE USA CHREST FOUNDATION for example gave in the last 20 years more than 300 million dollars to create and support systematically anti-erdoğan media in Turkiye.. and thess BLACKWASHED news is copied/paste by western medşa like the guardian etcetera.. those western media is a big black FARCE

Look it yourself @AustralianFan click on the ORIGINAL link >> Grants Awarded - Chrest Foundation

 

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3 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

Human Rights Abuses in Turkey

(Istanbul) – Turkish police attacked and arrested hundreds of people at the Istanbul Pride March on June 26, 2022, in a sweeping display of violence and discrimination against lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people, Human Rights Watch said today. The authorities also arrested journalists reporting on the event.

Source - Human Rights Watch:  Turkey: Mass Arrests, Anti-LGBT Violence at Pride - 30 June 2022

 

THE HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH is the same FARCE as the GUARDIAN making FALSE NEWS..

THE LBQT can do their pride.. BUT THEY HAVE TO TAKE PERMISSION for that pride.. 

this news is just one of those to PROVOQUE that.. that pride in 2022 didnt get permission 

the pride gave ultimatom to the governor if they couldnt get the taksim square in stead of the large maltepe square

the pride has also dutties to fulfill and not otherwise 

ALSO the lbqt- pride turned each year into a big PROVOCATION by those WESTERN FOUNDATIONS

and the western intelligence agengies (from usa, uk, fra and ger partşcularly) are doing a great job to give bribes and so to provocate those american and west-established universities like the BOĞAZİÇİ UNİVERSİTY.. all the rectors are americans, who apply commends from those intelligence agencies

just read this link: Boğaziçi University - Wikipedia 

those lbqt people in those univercities ARE ALL provocating the media very well.. A BIG SHOW created by the WEST

 

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3 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

 

Istanbul 2036 Olympic bid - Human Rights crackdowns of Erdogan

Turkish police fire rubber bullets as thousands march to demand end to violence against women

Turkish police have fired tear gas and rubber bullets at thousands of women protesting against male violence in Istanbul.

The demonstrators gathered in the capital to mark International Day for the Elimination of Violence against Women.

 

Source - ABC News Australia:     Turkish police fire rubber bullets as thousands march to demand end to violence against women

 

İDEM DİTO .. the same problem here.. and there is western motive in it / like a broken cassette

1// turkish free media an free associations are getting mony from western foundations (usa, uk, fra, ger)

2// these mony are gaved with 1 purpose, to reach an ANTI-ERDOGAN climax at prides & marches

3// dont take permission (by law) by the istanbul governance, but choose an alternative route/street

4// abbuse and provocate the situation as western media is ready to report viral to the world

5// so we can make again a new scratch to erdoğan to damnage him and his policy over and over again

6// THUS the west creates with his/her own mony a community engineering towards a powerfull leader to weaken him

7// and by each election the turkish people RE-elects erdoğan, because of the awareness of a smear-game by the west usşng MARGINAL GROUPS for those prides/marches

8// every association/foundation has to apply what the turkish law says.. the west İS NOT THE AUTHORITY in Turkiye

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3 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

Istanbul 2036 Olympic Candidature:  Violent Human Rights violations in Gezi Park 2013

Turkey accused of gross human rights violations in Gezi Park protests

Turkish authorities committed human rights violations on a massive scale in the government’s attempts to crush the Gezi Park protests this summer said Amnesty International.”

“In a report published today the organization details the worst excesses of police violence, during the protests, the failure to bring these abuses to justice and the subsequent prosecution and harassment of those that took part.”

”The attempt to smash the Gezi Park protest movement involved a string of human rights violations on a huge scale.”

”They include the wholesale denial of the right to peaceful assembly and violations of the rights to life, liberty and the freedom from torture and ill-treatment,” said Andrew Gardner, Amnesty International’s expert on Turkey.”

The report documents how:

  • “Protesters and others were severely beaten resulting in one death and scores of injuries”
  • “Police frequently fired plastic bullets directly at protesters’ heads and upper bodies”
  • “Tear gas canisters were routinely fired directly at protestors, bystanders and sometimes into residential buildings and medical facilities, resulting in hundreds of injuries and, according to witnesses, at least one death”
  • “Chemical irritants were added to water cannon supply tanks”
  • “Women protesters were sexually abused by law enforcement officials”
  • “Live ammunition was used, killing one protester”
  • “The levels of violence used by police in the course of Gezi Park protests clearly show what happens when poorly trained, poorly supervised police officers are instructed to use force – and encouraged to use it unsparingly – safe in the knowledge that they are unlikely ever to be identified or prosecuted for their abuses,“ said Andrew Gardner.”

Amnesty International - Turkey accused of gross human rights violations in Gezi Park protests - 2 October 2013

i knew it @AustralianFan.. i knew you would copy paste from AMNESTY 

the turkish state, intelligency and people know very good THAT AMNESTY is a part of this big SMEAR-PROJECT at the GEZİ-ISSUE.. the same motive used here, but with 1 difference: this GEZİ-issue was prıgrammed by the west to create a COUP to erdopan.. but it resulted in a PREMATURE-UNSUCCESFULL ONE..

amnesty internatiınal İS A FRONT MEDIUM in all this western-created-violence-circus to create coups from human-chaos.. in 2013 this plan simultaniously succeded in egypt BUT NOT IN Turkiye.. 

so please stop with your revenge that cant take revenge on a woken up turkşsh people like me..

when muslim and african and middle east and asian countries become stronger by time, THE SUPERIORITY DISCOURCE of the decreases parallel by time.. the muslim world will become equal to the defamation of the west by 2030 OR 2040.. so please stop spreading falsehoods like thıse farced newspapers.. you become a farce like those

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>> Is this why you call Erdogan a “visionary leader” ?

you pick up 1 sentence of a news AND playing it out here with narrow glasses as revenge and not as a debating-form.. and AS USUAL on the WOMEN ISSUE again and again like a broken cassette.. my arguments as it follows.. as in debating-form and not şn SLANDER-FORM as you do whole the time.,

 

i listed in my aforementioned share A LIST of all the things together why HE IS a visionary leader:

- he made the grain-deal.. so EUROPE and africa and poor countries can eat bread on a decent price, otherwise all the children in especially in europe will suffer from malnutrition

- he governs the solely and the only SAFE country in the reagion to provide EUROPE from gas and petroleum, otherwise more than the half of europe especially the balcans could not cook and a decent warm meal.. AS von der leyen leader of the EU COMMISION nowadays made trilateral contracts with turkey & azerbaidjan FOR GAS @AustralianFan do you copy !!

 

>> Sorry fatixx, I like you as a gamesbids contributor but you are talking a load of nonsense about Erdogan.  I’m sorry, but you clearly are.

thats i lie.. you've never liked me.. whole the way from the beginning you attacked me in stead of debating decently!

i like/d you as a GB contributor; but i am NOT TALKING ABOUT LOAD OF NONSENSE about erdoğan, you dont have to be sorry, because you ORIENTALISTS people (as a described aforementioned) are behaving superior to eastern leaders with your own superior perspective without to understand sincerely the REAL REALITY what ERDOĞAN says.. you are clearly talking about nonsense because you are sharing falsehood/lie news from the west.. but in sort of way i understand your malsituation, because western media became our premier nutrition.. we have to look on both-sides-news to make a decent/balanced decision of what is spoiled as news.. western media have became insidious..

he says (at the UN) "the world is bigger than five" >> is this nonsense for you.. he is the trendsetter for this motto.. the world is creeping under starvation, the west is grasping whole the time while the west still makes crimes to humanity with

- the USA making +100 coups around the world (and nowadays at the leader in PERU, namely pedro castillo), so those generatşons countries suffer each 10 years..

- the US is spending +700 billion dollars for weapons each year.. meanwhile there are 40 million homeless in the usa

- the french making systematically coups in west-africa.. mali, burkşna faso, ercetera..

- germany commands greece to push-back the refugees,. the mediterreanean seabed became a graveyard..

- the democracy in the west is untouchable, but the democracy in the rest of the world are deserving coups made by the west.. you have to understand that your aurhoities are in BIG HYPOCRİSY before talking abour erdoğan's policies.. as he is elected 15 times in 20 years of time with each election (presidential, regional, national) and referendum.. we have at last a real democracy where a lot of countries in europe can dream of !!

 

>> Erdogan himself is hurting greatly Istanbul’s chances of getting an Olympics awarded by a majority of the full IOC Assembly any time soon.

i said several times here on this board that he doesnt care anymore about organising the olympics.. @AustralianFan dont you understand english anymore.. the west has mıny enough for this very expensive organisation.. he isnt a proponet anymore.. THUS he is hurting nothing.. the clown of an istanbul mayor does hurts, because he wants so much the olympics to privilage himself in his own sinking campaign

>> Erdogan himself is causing great harm

he isnt causing harm for anything, he is restoring the harmfull pieces caused by the western/orientalist policy

>> Turkey has withdrawn from a landmark European treaty protecting women from violence.

- its all about the istanbul convention >> Istanbul Convention - Wikipedia

there are also other countries who didnt sign this convention.. there are a lot of articals in the turkish law who are protecting women from violence.. the turkish law even strenghtens more than the the convention does as the istanbul convention is inferior, absolete..

 

 

On 12/19/2022 at 2:24 AM, AustralianFan said:

 

We’ll have to agree to disagree.

 

well.. 

 

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Fatixxx,  has your support for an Istanbul 2036 Olympics changed ?

Erdogan does not want the Olympics and so now you also do not want the Olympics in Istanbul?    This is very strange. 

Earlier this year you were in full support of Istanbul 2036, and now you are not? 
You are entitled to change your mind, that’s up to you,…….

but ….. why?

Fatixxx Supporting Posts of Istanbul 2036 
 

4 March 2022 - Fatixxx:

  • istanbul improved a lot on the infrastructure-side.. But istanbul needs and is eager for her own summer olympics

5 March 2022 - Fatixxx:

  • istanbul certainly is eagering for its own olympics.. 2036 would be more than ready by then, we need just a good if not a compact planning/organization”

Fatixxx, you posted enthusiastically also about all of the infrastructure improvements in Turkey, 

  • new Airport, Istanbul Metro expansion, new Kanal across Turkey, Istanbul open water swimming event, etc etc
  • Istanbul Open
  • Istanbul Cup
  • 12 March 2022: you posted an Istanbul 2036 logo in this website’s logo competition
  • 25 March 2022:  in support of Istanbul 2036, you listed many sporting events that Turkey and Istanbul had hosted
  • …. and the list of your many posts in supportof Istanbul goes on and on

 

THEN SUDDENLY….

Suddenly, it seems you have recently withdrawn changed your support and enthusiasm for Istanbul 2036 Olympic Games.

Is this correct?  Are you following Erdogan on this because he has also cooled off on an Istanbul 2036 Olympics?

Fatixxx, if you make the choice to post what you post, don’t be surprised and when others, such as myself, respond to you.

You have every right not to give an answer, …. that’s up to you.

just as much as I have every right to ask questions, …..  that’s up to me.

 

 

Why are you following Erdogan now 

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Gosh .. australian.. 

you are not honest and not accurate in your way of debating.. you are making polemic of unimportant subjects as it suits you >> OR you dont understand english OR you didnt read what i wrote.. :blink: 

youve said:

4 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

Fatixxx, if you make the choice to post what you post, don’t be surprised and when others, such as myself, respond to you.

You have every right not to give an answer, …. that’s up to you.

just as much as I have every right to ask questions, …..  that’s up to me.

dont be silly.. are you dummy OR do you dummy ? of course its up to us to answer or not.. 

you are in a big dilemma with your writing.. why would i be surprises ? you cant minimilise what i wrote, because

ive said:

On 12/19/2022 at 11:54 PM, fatixxx said:

im in favor of the fight/debating of ideas/statements vice versa pro/contra with the needed argumentation of the criteria of what you believe in to convince the counterparty.. >> thats the main methodology of debating.. whereby "respect = dialogue" .. but doing this without arguments/criteria and/or verifying research of both sides to get the best (thesis + anti-thesis =) synthesis.. 

 

the way you ask things after i gave you so much INSIGHT about whats REALLY going on in istanbul..

you didnt write or gave answers INTO the debate, but each time NEXT to the debate

qnd thats why you are CONSCIOUS blocking the SYNTHESIS in this debate.. so youve said;

 

4 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

Fatixxx,  has your support for an Istanbul 2036 Olympics changed ?

Erdogan does not want the Olympics and so now you also do not want the Olympics in Istanbul?    This is very strange. 

Earlier this year you were in full support of Istanbul 2036, and now you are not? 
You are entitled to change your mind, that’s up to you,…….

but ….. why?

 

you are very good in 1rst grade research, but not in deepening the research and NOT in making GOOD CORRELATIONS .. thats stabilizing your qualities if not decreasing it..

if you read all those sharings in the aforementioned posts you easilly could have noticed thar it isnt STRANGE..

i believe in the FAR future of an eventually istanbul host of the olympics, but not in the NEAR future..

Because of the fact that erdoğan does not want the olympics, doenst mean that i also dont.. dont link those 2

 

 

when the istanbul metropolitan city mayor imamoğlu held his istanbul 2036 olympic summit, we warmly welcomed this project.. we believed in this.. and in that time-frame i supported here on the forum the eventual istanbul candidancy

BUT LAST SUMMER i noticed that a lot was changed in a bad circulation: our CLOWN-MAYOR ruined istanbul chances, and this is the mayor YOU @AustralianFansupported blindly a few days ago.. BUT i did that deepening research why erdoğan and his equipe (even the turkish olympic committee) dont support the istanbul bid in the targeted procedure..

 

I SAID/WROTE SEVERAL TIMES in this thread (and if you missed it i will repeat it again)

THANX TO İMAMOGLU

1// the İETT-busses are BURNING OUT each day

2// the metros are POURING OUT each day

3// he RUINED the istanbul transport and infrastructure is FALLING OUT

i did so much research work th

 

 

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i did so much research to serve you and other forum members from answers:

but think again you missed it.. here the links again without embedding them:

1// burning busses:

https://twitter.com/gokcenenc07/status/1514610680971685888?s=20&t=AwQOGqCF8lpwJQVK0gVdxw

 

https://twitter.com/gizlidosya06/status/1485240965434642436?s=20&t=1WYhOEi-mRH4dU_8Hv4THw

https://twitter.com/BilgeHatun34__B/status/1426610003297832966?s=20&t=283mScqfwTaUIxQ7yLLeMA

https://twitter.com/oktayilmaz18/status/1403791831062700038?s=20&t=eCFKEbLdYJnHbeUjdoRmHQ

https://twitter.com/gundemiinozeti/status/1490653891213598723?s=20&t=ojmE_5HM7oojsL2XxH_MJg

https://twitter.com/RemziGrz/status/1508471985805922307?s=20&t=jdyYIh169wkMkIuru0R0mA

 

 

2// pouring metro

https://twitter.com/istgundem/status/1567070252990603264?s=20&t=KPAbtkpq8lOOpt1-7bQS6g

https://twitter.com/yekvucutcom/status/1563870261274972161?s=20&t=ZkuKM7thNhcjNQLyYI5WqA

https://twitter.com/1istinatduvari/status/799280739510603785?s=20&t=IJV_W5yhZCGvvRNr66ZbbA

https://twitter.com/AlcayirCengiz/status/1602599692503814146?s=20&t=EigK5_bMuz3hFWZeGzpD3g

 

https://twitter.com/AlcayirCengiz/status/1602351243820765187?s=20&t=hNmm2x-oWvL2iL0kyMEQTQ

 

3// ruined infrastructure >> busses clashing with light-rail-wagons.. (desperate istanbuliots)

https://twitter.com/AlcayirCengiz/status/1599709261310722049?s=20&t=a_CGPrwwb3BXFMMn2LZnnQ

https://twitter.com/AlcayirCengiz/status/1599701391035215872?s=20&t=yKdVpSf7NDZOIuQdCpZeAw

 

5 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

1// Fatixxx,  has your support for an Istanbul 2036 Olympics changed ?

2// Fatixxx, you posted enthusiastically also about all of the infrastructure improvements in Turkey, 

3// You have every right not to give an answer, …. that’s up to you.

4// just as much as I have every right to ask questions, …..  that’s up to me.

5// Why are you following Erdogan now 

 

1// my support is not changed, istanbul deserves an olympicx.. but not the closest one.. the one in the in the far future.. as all this mess-up with the istanbul infrastructure doesnt help the targeted dialogue nowadays

2// yes.. but i lost my enthousiasm.. you need continuity of continuity and not discontinuity

3// you sound like usa policemen.. stop with this.. i know what my duties and rights are.. for god sake.,

4// you are not asking questions bur ratherly you are interrogating whole the time, if not thats your writing tone..

5// im not following erdoğan im following my clown of a mayor what bona fide he has in store left .. the reallity..

 

our mayor gave the tender/bid of the mercedes-city-busses to his best engineer friend in stead of to give it to the Mercedes firm.. the maintenance of these busses are NOT IN GOOD hands.. he made/helped corruption şn the bus-case.. istanbul has become a bus & metro graveyard as a result of BAD GOVERNING.. and the west is selling this man as the first rival of erdoğan.. in none million changes he isnt.. erdoğan has much charisma in the first place..

 

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2 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

Bach sure likes rubbing shoulders with despots doesn't he? Besides that an Istanbul Olympics would be a security nightmare and an ISIS dream come true not to mention the funds that will be needed to be rebuild the country following the tragic earthquake.

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On 4/4/2023 at 5:58 PM, iceman530 said:

Istanbul bid is strong......I would not discount this one likely this round.  I got the feeling its between Istanbul and South Korea for 2036 really.

I think Istanbul bid is possible.

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