texan Posted December 23, 2024 Report Posted December 23, 2024 Currently, there is a rowing club and annual rowing race in the Golden Horn however even if the Golden Horn does not work there are many other places near Istanbul like Edirne on the border with Greece and Bulgaria. They are building a high-speed train to Edirne which will take only 1.5 hours from Istanbul to Edirne. I doubt finding a venue is a problem for Istanbul's bid. or in Ankara which could be reached with a 4 hour high speed train ride or one hour flight or by land: Quote
texan Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 The Mayor of Istanbul was on TV last night and said, ''We will bring the Olympic Games to Istanbul. We will bring it with a very special work.'' I can't wait for the plans to be released. Quote
emre Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 On 12/18/2024 at 3:37 PM, stryker said: Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Golden Horn the proposed rowing venue in the 2020 bid? Even if it wasn't I have to agree this would be an iconic venue, would rival any of the ones Paris had IMO as i remember it was at Salacak Asian side of the city with best view of old Istanbul. also it was next to the opening and closing ceremony stadium as planned. here is the view and the plan . been years so i may be wrong... Quote
emre Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 On 12/18/2024 at 3:37 PM, stryker said: Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Golden Horn the proposed rowing venue in the 2020 bid? Even if it wasn't I have to agree this would be an iconic venue, would rival any of the ones Paris had IMO here ur the previous plans . oh common i wont be humble with it but when it comes to SCENERY few cities can be compared with Istanbul.. and paris is not one of them.. the best part of Paris games for me was gymnastics at Grand Palais and beachvolley ( with right camera angles)... here 360 degrees u have a scene and history.. Quote
sebastien1214 Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 5 hours ago, emre said: here ur the previous plans . oh common i wont be humble with it but when it comes to SCENERY few cities can be compared with Istanbul.. and paris is not one of them.. the best part of Paris games for me was gymnastics at Grand Palais and beachvolley ( with right camera angles)... here 360 degrees u have a scene and history.. Well, Istanbul is undeniably a very beautiful city (it would be stupid to argue otherwise) and is probably one of the most scenic cities in the world, just like Rome, Paris*, and I can't think of any other city right now, but it's still bold to argue that Paris is "under" Istanbul in this point when the main focus of media coverage of the 2024 Olympics (apart from purely sporting matters) has been "look how beautiful the places are" with lots of photos of Montmartre, Versailles, the Eiffel Tower, the Grand Palais, Tahiti... etc. that have circulated widely in the media and on social networks. *(and, the idea of trying to classify these cities within this category seems quite stupid to me, these three cities are equal, it's like trying to say if London 2012 was better or worse than Paris 2024, these are two games that are boxing in the same category and it quickly becomes absurd to try to elect a 1st and a 2nd when you think about it seriously) 1 Quote
texan Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 20 hours ago, emre said: here ur the previous plans . oh common i wont be humble with it but when it comes to SCENERY few cities can be compared with Istanbul.. and paris is not one of them.. the best part of Paris games for me was gymnastics at Grand Palais and beachvolley ( with right camera angles)... here 360 degrees u have a scene and history.. This is like 5 minutes walk from my house haha. I wish I could see the Olympics being held here in 2036. Quote
AustralianFan Posted January 19 Author Report Posted January 19 On 1/19/2025 at 4:54 AM, emre said: here ur the previous plans . oh common i wont be humble with it but when it comes to SCENERY few cities can be compared with Istanbul.. and paris is not one of them.. the best part of Paris games for me was gymnastics at Grand Palais and beachvolley ( with right camera angles)... here 360 degrees u have a scene and history.. 19 hours ago, sebastien1214 said: Well, Istanbul is undeniably a very beautiful city (it would be stupid to argue otherwise) and is probably one of the most scenic cities in the world, just like Rome, Paris*, and I can't think of any other city right now, but it's still bold to argue that Paris is "under" Istanbul in this point when the main focus of media coverage of the 2024 Olympics (apart from purely sporting matters) has been "look how beautiful the places are" with lots of photos of Montmartre, Versailles, the Eiffel Tower, the Grand Palais, Tahiti... etc. that have circulated widely in the media and on social networks. *(and, the idea of trying to classify these cities within this category seems quite stupid to me, these three cities are equal, it's like trying to say if London 2012 was better or worse than Paris 2024, these are two games that are boxing in the same category and it quickly becomes absurd to try to elect a 1st and a 2nd when you think about it seriously) 3 hours ago, texan said: This is like 5 minutes walk from my house haha. I wish I could see the Olympics being held here in 2036. I agree. Paris and Istanbul are amongst many of the world’s beautiful cities. Each is unique in it’s beauty, charm and stunning scenic panoramas and vistas. @emre @texan while it makes for great panoramic television images being a “pretty city” is not actually a part of the IOC Future Host Commission’s criteria to recommend to the IOC Executive Board a city for a host election. Anyway, best wishes to Istanbul in it’s quest and discussions to host the 2036 Olympic and Paralympic Games. Istanbul is in discussions with the IOC Future Host Commission about hosting in 2036, along with 11 other cities around the world with which it is competing. The full list includes: Ahmedabad 2036 Barcelona 2036 Budapest 2036 Chile 2036 Capetown 2036 Copenhagen 2036 Doha 2036 Cairo 2036 Istanbul 2036 Nusantara 2036 Saudi Arabia 2036 Seoul 2036 Quote
emre Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 21 hours ago, AustralianFan said: I agree. Paris and Istanbul are amongst many of the world’s beautiful cities. Each is unique in it’s beauty, charm and stunning scenic panoramas and vistas. @emre @texan while it makes for great panoramic television images being a “pretty city” is not actually a part of the IOC Future Host Commission’s criteria to recommend to the IOC Executive Board a city for a host election. Anyway, best wishes to Istanbul in it’s quest and discussions to host the 2036 Olympic and Paralympic Games. Istanbul is in discussions with the IOC Future Host Commission about hosting in 2036, along with 11 other cities around the world with which it is competing. The full list includes: Ahmedabad 2036 Barcelona 2036 Budapest 2036 Chile 2036 Capetown 2036 Copenhagen 2036 Doha 2036 Cairo 2036 Istanbul 2036 Nusantara 2036 Saudi Arabia 2036 Seoul 2036 I both agree and disagree with you. After the Paris Games, the Olympics changed a bit. I’m totally frustrated with some of the new sports being added, like breakdancing (seriously?), which seem to be included just to grab Gen Z’s attention. However, Paris did something remarkable, similar to what Barcelona 1992 did for diving, by using the city itself as the arena for various sports. Events like beach volleyball and gymnastics were held in iconic locations, making the experience truly unique. This concept had been proposed several times in Istanbul's and other cities' plans, but Paris executed it brilliantly, giving the Games a new dimension and a "wow" factor for the IOC and sports fans alike. Nowadays, any city with enough money can host the Games. Even Saudi Arabia and Qatar believe they can pull it off by spending billions of dollars. But now, perhaps we—and the IOC—should start looking for something different, something beyond boring plans and indoor arenas. Imagine you’re an IOC member deciding between two cities—City A and City B. Both have the same plans, stable economies, and all the essentials. But City A offers breathtaking open-air venues with stunning cityscapes, while City B sticks to conventional indoor arenas. Which one would you pick? As the song goes: “dont have to be beautiful, but it helps.” Quote
AustralianFan Posted January 20 Author Report Posted January 20 4 hours ago, emre said: I both agree and disagree with you. After the Paris Games, the Olympics changed a bit. I’m totally frustrated with some of the new sports being added, like breakdancing (seriously?), which seem to be included just to grab Gen Z’s attention. However, Paris did something remarkable, similar to what Barcelona 1992 did for diving, by using the city itself as the arena for various sports. Events like beach volleyball and gymnastics were held in iconic locations, making the experience truly unique. This concept had been proposed several times in Istanbul's and other cities' plans, but Paris executed it brilliantly, giving the Games a new dimension and a "wow" factor for the IOC and sports fans alike. Nowadays, any city with enough money can host the Games. Even Saudi Arabia and Qatar believe they can pull it off by spending billions of dollars. But now, perhaps we—and the IOC—should start looking for something different, something beyond boring plans and indoor arenas. Imagine you’re an IOC member deciding between two cities—City A and City B. Both have the same plans, stable economies, and all the essentials. But City A offers breathtaking open-air venues with stunning cityscapes, while City B sticks to conventional indoor arenas. Which one would you pick? As the song goes: “dont have to be beautiful, but it helps.” Breaking has officially been dropped from the Olympic Games in Los Angeles 2028. Yes Paris , Los Angeles and Brisbane using existing venues and temporary venues whever possible is the New Norm required way to stage the Olympic and Paralympic Games. The IOC now do not want host cities building any new venues, unless that city can demonstrate that this venue is needed and will be used regularly after the Games. Officially, the IOC New Norm Changes for Host City selection is now all about using existing or temporary venues wherever possible. Based on recommendstions by the Future Host Commission, the IOC Executive Board (EB) now choose which city goes to a Host Election. So it is no longer in the hands of IOC Members - until it comes time to vote for or against what city the EB has recommended. This New Norm procedure first began with the election of Brisbane 2032. The 2036 Host City election will be the second Olympic Games awarded nder this New Norm host city selection method. Due to the warming climate, IOC is considering to possibly relax the July/August hosting window requirement to allow the Games to be hosted in the cooler months, for example, of say around November, December, etc. If this was to happen before during the race to selected the 2036 Host City, it would certainly widen the field of climate viable candidate cities such as from Qatar or Saudi Arabia where it is too deadly hot to host the Games in July/August. 1 Quote
Sir Rols Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 (edited) 7 hours ago, emre said: However, Paris did something remarkable, similar to what Barcelona 1992 did for diving, by using the city itself as the arena for various sports. Events like beach volleyball and gymnastics were held in iconic locations, making the experience truly unique. This concept had been proposed several times in Istanbul's and other cities' plans, but Paris executed it brilliantly, giving the Games a new dimension and a "wow" factor for the IOC and sports fans alike. Using landmarks itself isn’t something new - Rome 1960 used the Baths of Caracalla, the Basilica of Maxentius and the Appian Way - and since we’ve seen lots of similar individual “postcard” venues - the Sydney Opera House and Bondi Beach, the Panathenaic Stadium and Olympia, the Forbidden City, Horse Guards Parade and Greenwich Observatory, Copacabana Beach. What Paris did was amp this up to a whole new level making, as you say, Paris central itself the main arena (Actually, gymnastics wasn’t one of those). What they did was simply breathtaking, and I could see many future hosts taking that lesson and trying to make their cities’ take a bigger spotlight. Of course, some cities have more to offer in that regard than others. Rome, as mentioned above, comes to mind. And, of course, Istanbul has lots to offer too. The question is, does Istanbul have the type of open spaces needed to set up the type of temporary venues in key landmark areas as Paris did? Edited January 21 by Sir Rols Quote
Rob2012 Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 A new Istanbul bid will be interesting. AustraliaFan, for once, is right to mention the new norm here. Istanbul's previous bids have all looked expensive undertakings with lots of new venues. How different will this one look from previous efforts in the noughties? In terms of using the city as a backdrop, there are few cities I've been to that are more spectacular than Istanbul. I feel like Paris' wide boulevards might be more practicable than Istanbul’s quaint narrow streets for doing this. It feels like it'd be a bigger challenge for Istanbul, but one well worth trying. Quote
emre Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 15 hours ago, Sir Rols said: Using landmarks itself isn’t something new - Rome 1960 used the Baths of Caracalla, the Basilica of Maxentius and the Appian Way - and since we’ve seen lots of similar individual “postcard” venues - the Sydney Opera House and Bondi Beach, the Panathenaic Stadium and Olympia, the Forbidden City, Horse Guards Parade and Greenwich Observatory, Copacabana Beach. What Paris did was amp this up to a whole new level making, as you say, Paris central itself the main arena (Actually, gymnastics wasn’t one of those). What they did was simply breathtaking, and I could see many future hosts taking that lesson and trying to make their cities’ take a bigger spotlight. Of course, some cities have more to offer in that regard than others. Rome, as mentioned above, comes to mind. And, of course, Istanbul has lots to offer too. The question is, does Istanbul have the type of open spaces needed to set up the type of temporary venues in key landmark areas as Paris did? Sadly i cannot put Rome in this ( sadly media and broadcasting is so primitive in that times), but can talk about 88 games and following ones. oh lets brainstorming together... the first places come to my mind are, Walls of Istanbul (vast gardens surrounding the walls. can be used for many sports from Bmx to tenis and even climbing) , Sultanahmet Square ( planed for beach volley as i remember), Selimiye ( rowing, archery triatlon) , bosphorus bridge for marathon and cycle, Golden Horn (for rowing and some other sports ), Galataport or Salacak maybe for skateboard ... it could be touristic pics but u can see the land and think about the sport arenas can be build there.. walls of Istanbul 2000 years old Sultanahmet mosque and square ( opposite view has Hagia Sophia) Salacak already rebuilding the shore as a wide park area.. so it will be easy to transform it into skateboard arena Marathon and Cycling (asia to europe following bosphorus,passing Golden Horn to old city and walls till the stadium) Seems good isnt it Quote
AustralianFan Posted January 27 Author Report Posted January 27 Istanbul 2027: European Games Venues Likely Istanbul 2036 Olympic Venues I’ve been trying to find the venues for the 2027 European Games which were awarded to Istanbul in March 2024. At the previous 2023 European Games in Poland, most of thosesports are also in the Olympic Games. Has anyone seen the venue plan for Istanbul 2027? So, once we know the Istanbul 2027 venues for the following sports, it will be a good guide for the venue plan for Istanbul’s 2036 Olympic bid venue plan. Istanbul 2027 Events Venue (and likely 2036 Olympic Venue) Ceremonies Archery Athletics: Track and Field Artistic Swimming Badminton Basketball 3x3 Boxing Canoe Slalom (whitewater) Canoe Sprint (flatwater) Cycling (velodrome) Diving Fencing Judo Modern Pentahlon Rugby Sevens Shooting Sport Climbing Table Tennis Triathlon The following Olympic sports were not staged at the 2023 European Games but useful to list or speculate here the venues for each as part of Istanbul‘s 2036 bid for the Olympic Games: Other Olympic Events 2036 Olympic Venue Athletes Villages 1. 2. 3. Basketball Beach Volleyball BMX Freestyle BMX Racing Coastal Rowing Cycling Road Race Cycling Time Trial Equestrian Cross Country Equestrian Dressage / Showjumping Football - Finals Football Preliminaries 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. Golf Gymnastics Handball Hockey IBC - International Broadcast Centre Kiteboarding MPC - Main Press Centre Marathon (athletics) Marathon Swimming (open water) Mountain Bike Race Walk (athletics) Sailing Surfing Swimming Tennis Volleyball - Finals Volleyball - Preliminaries Water Polo - Finals Water Polo - Preliminaries Weightlifting Wrestling Quote
charlesfoote Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 Istanbul has been in the Olympic conversation for a while, but with all the competition, do they have a realistic shot in 2036? The city’s infrastructure and history make it a great candidate, but concerns about logistics and politics could play a role. Quote
emre Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 13 minutes ago, charlesfoote said: Istanbul has been in the Olympic conversation for a while, but with all the competition, do they have a realistic shot in 2036? The city’s infrastructure and history make it a great candidate, but concerns about logistics and politics could play a role. By the time LA hosts the Olympics, their president will probably be busy openly talking about annexation of Canada and Greenland while turning the Gulf of Mexico into an "American Gulf". If you wanna talk about politics we can start from here IOC never cares about politics. And looking at the other candidates—India, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Indonesia—none seem particularly grounded in reality. At least Istanbul has bid five times, conducted actual study cases, developed projects, and, you know, gained some real experience. This race will be between Istanbul as city and INDIA as country... 2 Quote
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