baron-pierreIV Posted November 26, 2024 Report Posted November 26, 2024 1 minute ago, sebastien1214 said: Do we have a map or a document that summarizes the facilities planned for Istanbul 2036? Whether they exist or to be built? I have not seen that yet. But someone here keeps saying that the outgoing Istanbul airport will be the site of a new Olympic sports complex and the main OV. And probably another set of venues will be in Ankara. Izmir, Antalya, Gaziantep will be sites for football for sure. Quote
sebastien1214 Posted November 26, 2024 Report Posted November 26, 2024 3 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said: I have not seen that yet. But someone here keeps saying that the outgoing Istanbul airport will be the site of a new Olympic sports complex and the main OV. And probably another set of venues will be in Ankara. Izmir, Antalya, Gaziantep will be sites for football for sure. It is true that they still have the old Ataturk airport. If they are planning to create an "old-style" Olympic park, like London 2012, they have a huge advantage with the airport. And there would probably be no need to hold events in Ankara. I wonder where they could hold the surfing events though. Quote
baron-pierreIV Posted November 26, 2024 Report Posted November 26, 2024 (edited) 18 minutes ago, sebastien1214 said: I wonder where they could hold the surfing events though. Turks & Caicos in the Caribbean? 😜 Or . . . if the IOC can arrange it . . . if RSA fails, then Surfing in Durban making Istan-Turban 2036 the first Tri-Continental Olympic Games! 🤩 Edited November 26, 2024 by baron-pierreIV Quote
texan Posted November 26, 2024 Report Posted November 26, 2024 https://nomadsurfers.com/surfing-in-turkey/ according to this website there are several places in or near İstanbul for surfing. Quote
AustralianFan Posted November 26, 2024 Author Report Posted November 26, 2024 7 hours ago, sebastien1214 said: It is true that they still have the old Ataturk airport. If they are planning to create an "old-style" Olympic park, like London 2012, they have a huge advantage with the airport. And there would probably be no need to hold events in Ankara. I wonder where they could hold the surfing events though. Sounds very reminiscent of Athens 2004 where the old airport site was used to build several new venues. Post-games it quickly became a desolate white elephant venue wasteland, which was recently demolished for a residential and commercial development, The Athens Riviera. Building an Olympic Park of venues looks great at Games time but unless there are legacy sports tenants to keep those venues in constant use, then the tumbleweeds will start blowing through it. Quote
texan Posted November 27, 2024 Report Posted November 27, 2024 14 hours ago, AustralianFan said: Sounds very reminiscent of Athens 2004 where the old airport site was used to build several new venues. Post-games it quickly became a desolate white elephant venue wasteland, which was recently demolished for a residential and commercial development, The Athens Riviera. Building an Olympic Park of venues looks great at Games time but unless there are legacy sports tenants to keep those venues in constant use, then the tumbleweeds will start blowing through it. Nothing is reminiscent about Istanbul 2036 and Athens 2004 except for a plan to use a former airport site for the Olympic Village. All of the venues in İstanbul are used and never turned into a waste. Please give me an example of how they are similar. In fact, they keep expanding the existing venues. Abdi İpekçi Hall hosted Eurovision in 2004 and the Basketball World Cup in 2010. They rebuilt this basketball complex which has a big basketball venue, hotel, museum, hotel, etc. The Atatürk Airport is literally in the city center, and it is planned to become an urban park. I believe they will not use it as the Olympic Village or build temporary buildings there. Quote
AustralianFan Posted November 27, 2024 Author Report Posted November 27, 2024 1 hour ago, texan said: Nothing is reminiscent about Istanbul 2036 and Athens 2004 except for a plan to use a former airport site for the Olympic Village. All of the venues in İstanbul are used and never turned into a waste. Please give me an example of how they are similar. In fact, they keep expanding the existing venues. Abdi İpekçi Hall hosted Eurovision in 2004 and the Basketball World Cup in 2010. They rebuilt this basketball complex which has a big basketball venue, hotel, museum, hotel, etc. The Atatürk Airport is literally in the city center, and it is planned to become an urban park. I believe they will not use it as the Olympic Village or build temporary buildings there. My post was in relation to someone else suggesting building an Olympic Park of the old Attaturk Airport was a good idea. If you’re confirming that there will not be an Olympic Park and only an athletes village built at the old airport site, then there is no issue. Quote
baron-pierreIV Posted November 27, 2024 Report Posted November 27, 2024 2 hours ago, texan said: The Atatürk Airport is literally in the city center, and it is planned to become an urban park. I believe they will not use it as the Olympic Village or build temporary buildings there. I think it was either Durban Landshark (or whatever his name is) or a Turkish poster who said that that's where the core of an Istanbul Olympic bid would go--close to the city center. Otherwise, the existing Ataturk Olympic stadium is like 3 hours west of the City. When I was there in 2012, I didn't see any open tracts of land within the City Center that could hold some stadia, etc., etc.--which is why I said that many new venues to be built will have the land in Ankara, not in Istanbul. Plus, they are also completing the Istanbul Canal, so where will Istanbul put their landmark Olympic venues which will require a large footprint? And maybe this is why they have not released any specific plans since there aren't any to speak of at this time?? Quote
baron-pierreIV Posted November 27, 2024 Report Posted November 27, 2024 (edited) Will Rowing be at the new Istanbul Canal? Very probable. But with the completion of the new Canal, one CANNOT run a bi-continental run anymore because central Istanbul will be an island--neither Asian nor European -- not unless they start the marathon on the Asian side, run it through isle Istanbul and then cross over a new bridge over the new Canal? So a "broken" bi-continental journey -- or vice-versa. Ha!! Edited November 27, 2024 by baron-pierreIV Quote
sebastien1214 Posted November 27, 2024 Report Posted November 27, 2024 There won't be an "Istanbul Canal" for decades at best, given the country's economic situation and the resources such a canal requires, and deep down I'm still convinced that it will never happen (or at least not in our lifetime). The latest news (but it may have changed since then) is that last January a Turkish court had cancelled important elements of the project. I don't think much has changed since then. Quote
texan Posted November 27, 2024 Report Posted November 27, 2024 Nooo, the unnecessary Canal will not be built. The opposition is extremely against this project, and I am, too. This could be a waste of money, and this gigantic budget could be used for some useful stuff. Quote
baron-pierreIV Posted November 27, 2024 Report Posted November 27, 2024 50 minutes ago, texan said: Nooo, the unnecessary Canal will not be built. The opposition is extremely against this project, and I am, too. This could be a waste of money, and this gigantic budget could be used for some useful stuff. There goes the Rowing venue for 2036!! Quote
baron-pierreIV Posted November 27, 2024 Report Posted November 27, 2024 4 hours ago, sebastien1214 said: There won't be an "Istanbul Canal" for decades at best, given the country's economic situation and the resources such a canal requires, and deep down I'm still convinced that it will never happen (or at least not in our lifetime). The latest news (but it may have changed since then) is that last January a Turkish court had cancelled important elements of the project. I don't think much has changed since then. So, if no Istanbul Canal, can they afford an Olympic Games (which I imagine, will be slightly cheaper)? Quote
sebastien1214 Posted November 27, 2024 Report Posted November 27, 2024 9 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said: So, if no Istanbul Canal, can they afford an Olympic Games (which I imagine, will be slightly cheaper)? With a - very - optimistic hypothesis, a canal like this would cost $40-50 billion, if we take into account that the exchange rate with the Turkish lira is not really to the advantage of the latter. So we are still on a much more expensive project than if Istanbul ever gets the Games in 2036 (I would not be surprised if Istanbul would get between $15-20 billion if we take Paris and LA as a point of comparison) Quote
baron-pierreIV Posted November 28, 2024 Report Posted November 28, 2024 3 hours ago, sebastien1214 said: With a - very - optimistic hypothesis, a canal like this would cost $40-50 billion, That wasn't the price tag in the YouTube report. It was more in the $15 billion estimate. Anyway, it looks like it's not happening -- so I guess Erdogan's gov't can now concentrate on an Olympic bid of they are serious. At least, the Turkish women's volleyball team is a global power (even if they got knocked out to 4th place @ Paris 2024). Not so much, India. RSA has good teams in Athletics and other sports. Quote
iceman530 Posted November 28, 2024 Report Posted November 28, 2024 Istanbul old airport site is perfect for so many venues. That location cannot be understated for being exactly what the IOC is looking for logistics wise. That old airport was BIG. Ive flown to it more than a few times. That will handle any required venues that are not already in place comfortably. Quote
baron-pierreIV Posted November 28, 2024 Report Posted November 28, 2024 2 hours ago, iceman530 said: Istanbul old airport site is perfect for so many venues. That location cannot be understated for being exactly what the IOC is looking for logistics wise. That old airport was BIG. Ive flown to it more than a few times. That will handle any required venues that are not already in place comfortably. Obviously, the Turks have to draw up a credible master plan for their dreams. Quote
Roger87 Posted November 28, 2024 Report Posted November 28, 2024 12 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said: So, if no Istanbul Canal, can they afford an Olympic Games (which I imagine, will be slightly cheaper)? Beyond the economic cost, the Istanbul Canal would be an environemental disaster cause the water of the Black Sea has different levels of salt and can affect the zones, including the water resources near. It would require more money to fill the damage of the region. It was worthless anyway. At least that project was reconsidered for good. 1 Quote
stryker Posted November 28, 2024 Report Posted November 28, 2024 On 11/26/2024 at 10:20 AM, baron-pierreIV said: I have not seen that yet. But someone here keeps saying that the outgoing Istanbul airport will be the site of a new Olympic sports complex and the main OV. And probably another set of venues will be in Ankara. Izmir, Antalya, Gaziantep will be sites for football for sure. I only mentioned Ataturk Airport as a possible site for an OV because of Istanbul's space issues. Where would the OV go? Now, it looks like that's no longer an option as there are plans to turn most of the old airport into green space. https://www.cctinvestments.com/ataturk-airport-from-a-global-airport-to-a-beach-park/ 1 Quote
baron-pierreIV Posted November 30, 2024 Report Posted November 30, 2024 So, with the Canal plan abandoned but with the old Ataturk grounds reserved as an eco-park, where will Istanbul build their new Olympic facilities and the OV? Maybe over the tracts of land that had been claimed by eminent domain and destined for the defunct Canal plan? 😃 Quote
stryker Posted December 1, 2024 Report Posted December 1, 2024 7 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said: So, with the Canal plan abandoned but with the old Ataturk grounds reserved as an eco-park, where will Istanbul build their new Olympic facilities and the OV? Maybe over the tracts of land that had been claimed by eminent domain and destined for the defunct Canal plan? 😃 Actually I could see this happening with the planned Olympic Stadium next to the OV. Quote
iceman530 Posted December 1, 2024 Report Posted December 1, 2024 They killed the new canal? good. happy to hear that, honestly. 1 Quote
emre Posted December 15, 2024 Report Posted December 15, 2024 On 11/27/2024 at 8:16 PM, baron-pierreIV said: Will Rowing be at the new Istanbul Canal? Very probable. But with the completion of the new Canal, one CANNOT run a bi-continental run anymore because central Istanbul will be an island--neither Asian nor European -- not unless they start the marathon on the Asian side, run it through isle Istanbul and then cross over a new bridge over the new Canal? So a "broken" bi-continental journey -- or vice-versa. Ha!! Probably at Golden Horn... Probably the most scenic place on earth for rowing.. between Galata tower , new Haliç Marina and Ottoman naval shipyards and Sultanahmet Hagia sopia and other places.. already there is annual Haliç Rowing Comp. 1 Quote
stryker Posted December 18, 2024 Report Posted December 18, 2024 On 12/16/2024 at 5:42 AM, emre said: Probably at Golden Horn... Probably the most scenic place on earth for rowing.. between Galata tower , new Haliç Marina and Ottoman naval shipyards and Sultanahmet Hagia sopia and other places.. already there is annual Haliç Rowing Comp. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Golden Horn the proposed rowing venue in the 2020 bid? Even if it wasn't I have to agree this would be an iconic venue, would rival any of the ones Paris had IMO Quote
baron-pierreIV Posted December 23, 2024 Report Posted December 23, 2024 Aren't the waves at the Golden Horn NOT conducive to flat-water Rowing? And the bottom might be too deep to hold the lane markers. Quote
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