AustralianFan Posted October 21, 2022 Author Report Posted October 21, 2022 38 minutes ago, StefanMUC said: Yeah, especially as many of those venues are not fit for Olympics use… 23 minutes ago, AustralianFan said: Really ? Which venues exactly are fit for the University Games but not fit for the Olympics ? To assist yoy, here are the 2025 Rhine-Rhur Venues and Clusters: BOCHUM Venues: Lorheidestadion (Athletics) Rundsporthalle (Basketball) DUISBURG Venues: Regatta Course Duisburg (Rowing) ASC Duisburg (Water Polo) DSV 98 (Water Polo DÜSSELDORF Venues: Merkur Spiel-Arena (Volleyball) Arena-Park (Archery, 3x3 Basketball) Messe Düsseldorf (Table Tennis, Swimming) ISS-Dome (Artistic Gymnastics, Rhythmic Gymnastics) Mitsubishi Electric Hall (Basketball) Castello (Basketball) Burgplatz/Rathausplatz/Mannesmannufer (Beach-Volleyball) ESSEN Venues: Messe Essen (Fencing, Taekwondo) Grugahalle (Judo) Grugabad (Diving) Sportpark am Hallo (Basketball) ETUF (Tennis) MÜLHEIM AN DER RUHR Venues: Westenergie Sporthalle (Badminton) Quote
AustralianFan Posted October 21, 2022 Author Report Posted October 21, 2022 44 minutes ago, StefanMUC said: Yeah, especially as many of those venues are not fit for Olympics use… 30 minutes ago, AustralianFan said: Really ? Which venues exactly are fit for the University Games but not fit for the Olympics ? 2 minutes ago, AustralianFan said: To assist yoy, here are the 2025 Rhine-Rhur Venues and Clusters: BOCHUM Venues: Lorheidestadion (Athletics) Rundsporthalle (Basketball) DUISBURG Venues: Regatta Course Duisburg (Rowing) ASC Duisburg (Water Polo) DSV 98 (Water Polo DÜSSELDORF Venues: Merkur Spiel-Arena (Volleyball) Arena-Park (Archery, 3x3 Basketball) Messe Düsseldorf (Table Tennis, Swimming) ISS-Dome (Artistic Gymnastics, Rhythmic Gymnastics) Mitsubishi Electric Hall (Basketball) Castello (Basketball) Burgplatz/Rathausplatz/Mannesmannufer (Beach-Volleyball) ESSEN Venues: Messe Essen (Fencing, Taekwondo) Grugahalle (Judo) Grugabad (Diving) Sportpark am Hallo (Basketball) ETUF (Tennis) MÜLHEIM AN DER RUHR Venues: Westenergie Sporthalle (Badminton) Quote
StefanMUC Posted October 21, 2022 Report Posted October 21, 2022 You can compare with the Rhine-Ruhr concept for 2032 which I posted elsewhere and see hiw many of the venues are in both (apart from the rowing and the trade fairs…). Quote
AustralianFan Posted October 21, 2022 Author Report Posted October 21, 2022 21 minutes ago, StefanMUC said: You can compare with the Rhine-Ruhr concept for 2032 which I posted elsewhere and see hiw many of the venues are in both (apart from the rowing and the trade fairs…). …. in other words you don’t know. Quote
StefanMUC Posted October 21, 2022 Report Posted October 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, AustralianFan said: …. in other words you don’t know. Or you are too lazy to use the search function. Quote
AustralianFan Posted October 21, 2022 Author Report Posted October 21, 2022 1 hour ago, StefanMUC said: Yeah, especially as many of those venues are not fit for Olympics use… 1 hour ago, AustralianFan said: Really ? Which venues exactly are fit for the University Games but not fit for the Olympics ? 24 minutes ago, StefanMUC said: You can compare with the Rhine-Ruhr concept for 2032 which I posted elsewhere and see hiw many of the venues are in both (apart from the rowing and the trade fairs…). 2 minutes ago, AustralianFan said: …. in other words you don’t know. It was you who said the Rhine-Rhur venues being used in 2025 are not up to Olympic standard, and yet you cannot name a single one from the “many” you said were not up to standard. Am I missing something here @StefanMUCwho I see is from Munich. Is there some kind of hidden Olympic Games rivalry between Munich and Rhine-Rhur that is driving you denigrating venues in your country, Germany ? I gotta say, what you’re asserting about Rhine-Rhur venues sounds a odd. Quote
AustralianFan Posted October 21, 2022 Author Report Posted October 21, 2022 I gotta say, what you’re asserting about Rhine-Rhur venues sounds very odd. Quote
AustralianFan Posted October 21, 2022 Author Report Posted October 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, StefanMUC said: Or you are too lazy to use the search function. I thought so. From behind your keyboard, you’ve just denigrated many venues in your own country, and now you cannot now even name a single one that’s not up to standard - not a single one. Quote
StefanMUC Posted October 21, 2022 Report Posted October 21, 2022 Unlike you, I‘m not taking joy in repeating myself endlessly here, so again feel free to search for some older posts of mine where I have e.g. deliberated on the Lohrheide stadium. And look for that 2032 concept in between your incessant XXXX 2036 posts that add precisely zero value to any meaningful debate on here. 2 Quote
AustralianFan Posted October 21, 2022 Author Report Posted October 21, 2022 3 hours ago, AustralianFan said: I thought so. From behind your keyboard, you’ve just denigrated many venues in your own country, and now you cannot now even name a single one that’s not up to standard - not a single one. 3 hours ago, StefanMUC said: Unlike you, I‘m not taking joy in repeating myself endlessly here, so again feel free to search for some older posts of mine where I have e.g. deliberated on the Lohrheide stadium. And look for that 2032 concept in between your incessant XXXX 2036 posts that add precisely zero value to any meaningful debate on here. Nah mate, you’re the lazy one. YOU just denigrated many venues in Rhine-Rhur. I asked which venues are not up to standard? Then from then on you have not been able to name the so-called “many Rhine Rhur Venues you say are not up to standard”. Well sunshine, I don’t believe you. …. and you are too lazy to back yourself up. I’m certainly not going to do your dirty work for you. If you believe Rhine Rhur’s venues are not up to standard, that is on you. I really do now think you in Munich, are in competition with Rhine Rhur as a candidature for the 2036 Games. To your last point: YES the New Norm era of Olympic Hosting has generated a Crowded Field of Interested Partes for the 2036 Games. YES the IOC just confirmed they are in Dialogue with TEN COUNTRIES officially validating that there is a Crowded Field. YES I posted in all TEN of the 2036 Threads who I believed were that ten. YES this is the first time in history under New Norm that this has happened = 10 countries. Now all you can do is whinge and complain that I posted in each of those TEN threads. Sounds like sour grapes from you about missing out on the 2032 Games last year, since again it was you who signposted that just then when you dug up 2032 all over again …. of your own accord. Your Words: have denigrated 2 1 1 Quote
AustralianFan Posted October 21, 2022 Author Report Posted October 21, 2022 Sorry I cannot delete the those last few straggler words above that I missed I when I posted. Unfortunately we members have not been allowed to edit our posts on Gamesbids.com Quote
AustralianFan Posted October 22, 2022 Author Report Posted October 22, 2022 Hopefully the DOSB can reform, sort out it’s governance issues and move forward, stable and strong and get behind a German candidature for 2036 wherher that be Rhine Rhur or Munich. Munich 2036 would have strong claims to be that DOSB-backed candidature after their highly successful delivery of the 2022 European Games and also having hosted the Olympics previously. Quote
StefanMUC Posted October 22, 2022 Report Posted October 22, 2022 Munich does NOT pursue a bid for 2036. City officials stay well clear of the IOC these days. So continue with your fever dreams about my jealousy of RR 2036, I‘ll start ignoring you again. 1 Quote
StefanMUC Posted October 22, 2022 Report Posted October 22, 2022 Oh and one more thing probably too complex for you: RR 2032 had a concept with suitable venues, it just did not rely much on those venues for 2025. That was my whole point which you completely chose to ignore. Bye. Quote
AustralianFan Posted October 22, 2022 Author Report Posted October 22, 2022 15 minutes ago, StefanMUC said: Oh and one more thing probably too complex for you: RR 2032 had a concept with suitable venues, it just did not rely much on those venues for 2025. That was my whole point which you completely chose to ignore. Bye. 22 minutes ago, StefanMUC said: Munich does NOT pursue a bid for 2036. City officials stay well clear of the IOC these days. So continue with your fever dreams about my jealousy of RR 2036, I‘ll start ignoring you again. Hallelujah. Finally, an answer to why you think the 2025 Rhine Rhur venues are not up to standard compared to their 2032 bid. It was like getting blood out of a stone, seriously. If you post a statement like you did which started this off, don’t act surprised if you get asked to clarify what you mean by your bizarre statement about “Rhine Rhur venues being sub-standard”. As far as bid by Munich or Rhine Rhur in the future, my money would be on DOSB backing Munich over Rhine Rhur for 2036 or 2040 - should Munich move ahead with a candidature. Germany may consider Olympic bid after multi-sport Munich event - 17 August 2022 Let’s see what eventuates - we know the IOC are in dialogue with 10 countries and Germany would have to be one of those ten. Quote
Sir Rols Posted December 3, 2022 Report Posted December 3, 2022 Though, to be noted, final decision only at the end of 2023 Germany set to prepare bid for Olympics after DOSB General Assembly vote 1 Quote
StefanMUC Posted December 12, 2022 Report Posted December 12, 2022 OK, this is the Rhine-Ruhr thread, but some VERY interesting statement today from Munich’s Mayor that does not - yet - deserve its own thread. Much to my surprise, to be honest, he said he would be open for another Munich summer (!) bid (assuming 2036). Not us alone, but partnering up with other cities apparently and only if a referendum approves it. Maybe in the end we’ll get a cross-German bid with venues North, East, South and West 1 Quote
yoshi Posted December 12, 2022 Report Posted December 12, 2022 Interesting... it's certainly one way of solving the athletics stadium problem! Munich to Rhine Ruhr is a long way though, would it work? The first truly national scale Olympics? Quote
StefanMUC Posted December 12, 2022 Report Posted December 12, 2022 1 hour ago, yoshi said: Interesting... it's certainly one way of solving the athletics stadium problem! Munich to Rhine Ruhr is a long way though, would it work? The first truly national scale Olympics? You'd need at least 4.5 hours by fast train Munich to Cologne, or even 6 hours minimum to Dortmund. That's really quite a distance (though not as far Paris/Tahiti...). Quote
yoshi Posted December 12, 2022 Report Posted December 12, 2022 I've done Frankfurt - Munich in one go by ICE, they're very nice trains but it still felt looong. RR is obviously further still...I guess Munich would want to host what it had in the European Championships & spread the rest out all over Bavaria & the rest of southern Germany? Maybe even get Salzburg & northern Switzerland involved to spread the love/cost & prove co-hosting can work? Quote
Sir Rols Posted December 13, 2022 Report Posted December 13, 2022 3 hours ago, yoshi said: Interesting... it's certainly one way of solving the athletics stadium problem! Munich to Rhine Ruhr is a long way though, would it work? The first truly national scale Olympics? We’ve already got Paris plus the likes of Lille, Marseilles Lyons, Bordeaux… heck, even Tahiti… hosting events in 2024. Couldn’t really get more national scale than that. Quote
Sir Rols Posted December 13, 2022 Report Posted December 13, 2022 6 hours ago, StefanMUC said: OK, this is the Rhine-Ruhr thread, but some VERY interesting statement today from Munich’s Mayor that does not - yet - deserve its own thread. I changed the thread title to more accurately reflect the current realities/uncertainties of the German bidding intentions. 1 Quote
StefanMUC Posted July 7, 2023 Report Posted July 7, 2023 Updates: DOSB seems to have launched a consultation process (link in German): https://www.dosb.de/sonderseiten/news/news-detail/news/bewerbung-made-by-germany-als-ziel In short, DOSB invites Berlin/Hamburg/Munich/Rhine-Ruhr and…drumrolls…Leipzig to take part into discussions about a (potentially) national approach to bidding that in view of sustainability avoids any nee construction. Targets are 2036/2040 or 2038/2042. Regarding the latter, also today Munich’s mayor clearly stated that Winter Olympics cannot be as sustainable and Munich (de facto the only viable winter bidder here) would only aim for summer bids. I feel that in the end, this will be number 8 of failed bids after hosting 1972… Quote
yoshi Posted July 7, 2023 Report Posted July 7, 2023 Leipzig again?!? I don't quite understand what you're saying there, are they talking to these cities with a view to establishing which is best placed/wants it more or is it to try and get them all together as a single bid - Germany 2036? Quote
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