Sir Rols Posted August 11, 2022 Report Posted August 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, FYI said: Not to mention the Greeks “we have the RIGHT to host the Centennial” mantra that I’m sure grew tiresome with many in the IOC. Well, exactly. The Greeks’ sense of entitlement has been mentioned in many a post-mortem. And it indeed proved yet another reason for the IOC to resist it, rather than a centennial they couldn’t refuse. Quote
Australian Kiwi Posted August 11, 2022 Report Posted August 11, 2022 20 minutes ago, Sir Rols said: Yeah, well, I’m sure it will inspire and be the rationale behind a few bids, but I’d wonder how many would actually win through. it’s not like the IOC is so irresistibly drawn to them - they let the most significant and symbolic of all, Athens 1996, pass with a “thanks but no thanks”. Paris is the only one who’s managed it, but they were loooong overdue a hosting of any year, it was bound to happen anyway soon. I also agree Germany 2036 is a bit troubling… but not impossible. Given the right messaging and optics (see how far we’ve come and changed since those dark days 100 years ago), it could be pulled of. One things for sure, 1936 would need to be acknowledged in some way. After that, well, we’ve got a hiatus for centennials till 2048. London’s possible, but who knows? Helsinki probably couldn’t manage one again. Melbourne, I’m sure, would jump at the chance for its centennial, and while Brisbane already was much sooner after 2000 than many would have expected Oz to host again, I’m not sure about it managing a three-peat in just over a 50 years span. I think Paris getting 2024 was more a coincidence than any celebration of 1924. And yeah Melbourne 2056 is unlikely - more due to the fact that an October Olympics wouldn't be allowed by their current rules (... effectively rules out Melbourne, Sydney, Buenos Aries, Santiago, Dubai..... odd for an organisation that has limited interest elsewhere). This is more a preventing factor to a second Melbourne or Sydney Games in 2056/60 than Brisbane 2032. 1 Quote
Sir Rols Posted August 11, 2022 Report Posted August 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, Australian Kiwi said: And yeah Melbourne 2056 is unlikely - more due to the fact that an October Olympics wouldn't be allowed by their current rules (... effectively rules out Melbourne, Sydney, Buenos Aries, Santiago, Dubai..... odd for an organisation that has limited interest elsewhere). This is more a preventing factor to a second Melbourne or Sydney Games in 2056/60 than Brisbane 2032. Ah yes, of course, definitely that too. Not that it will stop Melbourne getting hung ho. Quote
yoshi Posted August 12, 2022 Report Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) European championships underway now - enjoying the BMX final rn, it's a very good crowd in what looks like an ordinary open area, no grandstands? Flicked through the gymnastics yesterday and it looked near-empty Is it getting much attention in Germany? Edited August 12, 2022 by yoshi Quote
StefanMUC Posted August 12, 2022 Report Posted August 12, 2022 3 hours ago, yoshi said: European championships underway now - enjoying the BMX final rn, it's a very good crowd in what looks like an ordinary open area, no grandstands? Flicked through the gymnastics yesterday and it looked near-empty Is it getting much attention in Germany? BMX is in a little depression (?) on the hill in Olympiapark, so there‘s kind of a natural arena and entrance to BMX events (as well as mountain bike and triathlon, also held up and down the hill) is completely free (sports climbing qualifiers at Königsplatz too). BTW the hill is made of the rubble when the city was cleaned up after WW2. I guess the (indoor) venues will fill up over the next days, but there have been complaints about ticket prices. Quote
yoshi Posted August 12, 2022 Report Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) It's a nice little area :). I wondered about ticket prices, Birmingham apparently had them relatively low - it'll be interesting to see what attendances for athletics are like, Olympiastadion is so huge it's gonna take a big crowd to not look silly. Hopefully it's going to be good (Is Munich buzzing for it? From what I can tell it's very much being held in the Olympiapark, I hope it's not like a cut off area & there's a good atmosphere in the city centre with festivals, screens etc) ... and German street food...yum... Edited August 12, 2022 by yoshi Quote
BigVic Posted August 12, 2022 Report Posted August 12, 2022 It's akin to Victoria 2026 where a region will host events. Rhine-Rhur offcials will no doubt visit Victoria 2036 Quote
StefanMUC Posted August 13, 2022 Report Posted August 13, 2022 1 hour ago, yoshi said: It's a nice little area :). I wondered about ticket prices, Birmingham apparently had them relatively low - it'll be interesting to see what attendances for athletics are like, Olympiastadion is so huge it's gonna take a big crowd to not look silly. Hopefully it's going to be good (Is Munich buzzing for it? From what I can tell it's very much being held in the Olympiapark, I hope it's not like a cut off area & there's a good atmosphere in the city centre with festivals, screens etc) ... and German street food...yum... Well, the idea is indeed to have festival atmosphere, in the Olympiapark but also at the inner city venues (Königsplatz for climbing & beach volley, Odeonsplatz for the finishes in the cycling road races and long distance athletics events), the regatta course and elsewhere. In my neighbourhood, the triathlon age group champs will pass by Sunday morning - probably will catch a bit of that. Haven‘t been into town yet, can only go as from Monday, but on the pictures it also looks like the upper stands of the non-covered side of the stadium will actually not be used (there‘s big logo signs all over that area), so there will be a bit reduced capacity which makes sense, you can‘t sell 65k or so athletics tickets for seven days here, still hope for a good crowd. Quote
yoshi Posted August 13, 2022 Report Posted August 13, 2022 Good crowd for the climbing - where is the Konigsplatz? I remember the Marienplatz and Karlsplatz. I was a bit shocked to read in the Guardian here that you don't have an Olympic standard velodrome, and the one you're using is a temporary thing in the exhibition centre. Isn't the thing with the Euros that you can use existing facilities, even in other cities? Quote
StefanMUC Posted August 13, 2022 Report Posted August 13, 2022 32 minutes ago, yoshi said: Good crowd for the climbing - where is the Konigsplatz? I remember the Marienplatz and Karlsplatz. I was a bit shocked to read in the Guardian here that you don't have an Olympic standard velodrome, and the one you're using is a temporary thing in the exhibition centre. Isn't the thing with the Euros that you can use existing facilities, even in other cities? Königsplatz is slightly to the north of the other squares, notoriously famous for Hitler‘s now destroyed HQ and the first book burnings… As for the velodrome, it is apparently still within the allowed limits, and it was not a big thing to build. I guess when the European cycling fed agreed to be part of these EuroChamps (unlike e.g. swimming that was there in Glasgow and now is standalone in Rome again), they knew about this. Otherwise, there wouldn‘t have been an existing velodrome here, the 72 one was destroyed about 20 years ago. Quote
yoshi Posted August 13, 2022 Report Posted August 13, 2022 Ah, I didn't do much walking beyond the main central street when I was there, because it was pouring with rain most of the time. Munich was still nice even in bad weather though . Interesting about the velodrome, wonder if the IOC would ever accept a temporary construction? Quote
AustralianFan Posted August 14, 2022 Author Report Posted August 14, 2022 This report is more about a bid from Germany, rather than a specific location. ”In an interview with Germany’s Sport Bild, Bach discounted the role the 1936 Olympics in Berlin would have on the decision for 2036.” Read on. Quote
FYI Posted August 14, 2022 Report Posted August 14, 2022 So much for the ones who claim that "Germany is totally off the table for 2036". I know a couple of the Germans here aren't too fond of Bach, but perhaps there's something more here. I've mentioned before, that instead of looking at the negative aspect of the 1936 Games, to instead look at the positive of how Germany has become democratic & progressed so much in those 100 years since. Certainly a much better option & narrative for a 2036 Games, especially when making the comparison that a certain neighboring country to the east still wants to live in the past. As far as the city itself goes, I'm still not so sure about Berlin. But not because of the 1936 Olympics, but because Berlin doesn't seem too gung-ho about Olympic bids, if their 2000 attempt is anything to go by. I'd give the edge to the Rhine-Rhur region in this instance. Would seem to perhaps have better local support, & at the same time, gives another locale in Germany to host the Olympics. Quote
yoshi Posted August 14, 2022 Report Posted August 14, 2022 @StefanMUC do you know why the aquatics championship is happening in Rome? Do you not still have the 1972 pool? That's confused me since I first saw it... Quote
yoshi Posted August 14, 2022 Report Posted August 14, 2022 Watching the road race to see some of Munich - I wish I'd had weather like that to explore the place*! It really is a beautiful city, looks like some good crowds in the centre too. Not so sure about the bit where they're being routed through a long tunnel... I know from the good exhibition in the city museum that there are obviously conflicted memories of 72 but I wonder if this might make Munich itself want to bid again? *Maybe a little warm but that's what the cold beers are for Quote
StefanMUC Posted August 14, 2022 Report Posted August 14, 2022 3 hours ago, yoshi said: @StefanMUC do you know why the aquatics championship is happening in Rome? Do you not still have the 1972 pool? That's confused me since I first saw it... The pool is very much in use (it‘s my „local“ pool to go swimming), though apparently LEN (the European Aquatics fed) dictates 10 lanes nowadays, and it only has 8. Would have been too much to reconstruct, especially since it was only fully renovated 3 years ago. In the Munich winter bid (s), it would have been the curling venue, an idea that Beijing 2022 copied… I don‘t think there‘s another summer bud coming - RR is very eager and Berlin is always very much full of itself being able to do this. Still, the wider Metro has a higher population than Brisbane/SEQ, and with some will, it would be feasible. My money is on Rhine-Ruhr going forward within the next two years and then failing at the referendum hurdle. Or if they cannot solve the stadium issue, maybe something completely new like a joint Berlin-Hamburg bid (they‘re well connected anyway). Quote
yoshi Posted August 14, 2022 Report Posted August 14, 2022 And the federations still wonder why people think they're the problem... I'd love to see Germany host again - I can't see a Munich winter bid passing a referendum sadly, due to Garmisch - and climate change won't exactly help at the lower parts of the Alps in Bavaria. A summer games in Rhine Ruhr would be really good I think though, the chance to promote an overlooked area (like with Birmingham) might help and being spread across multiple cities might make it easier. I'm sure some solution could be found for a stadium, even if it's mostly demountable like Birmingham's. Quote
iceman530 Posted August 14, 2022 Report Posted August 14, 2022 Any Bundesliga teams in dire need of a new stadium that have a massive fanbase, a-la West Ham? Quote
Nacre Posted August 15, 2022 Report Posted August 15, 2022 12 hours ago, yoshi said: And the federations still wonder why people think they're the problem... Sadly it is a genuine competitive issue. The lanes adjacent to the sides of the pool are slower than the middle. To help reduce the advantage, the swimming federation wants to have two lanes at the side which are not used. So if 8 lanes used competition there need to be 10 total lanes in the pool. Quote
StefanMUC Posted August 15, 2022 Report Posted August 15, 2022 10 hours ago, iceman530 said: Any Bundesliga teams in dire need of a new stadium that have a massive fanbase, a-la West Ham? Nope. As mentioned further above, all major Rhine-Ruhr teams in the top 3 divisions nowadays have fairly new/reconstructed football-only arenas. The stadium that has a track and will be used for Universiade 2025 is home ground of Bochum’s second club Wattenscheid 09 which had played top level for four years in the early 90s, but is now bouncing between 4th/5th level and permanent threat of bankruptcy. They can hardly fill up that stadium… Quote
fusilli Posted August 15, 2022 Report Posted August 15, 2022 On 8/14/2022 at 9:43 AM, FYI said: As far as the city itself goes, I'm still not so sure about Berlin. But not because of the 1936 Olympics, but because Berlin doesn't seem too gung-ho about Olympic bids, if their 2000 attempt is anything to go by. I'd give the edge to the Rhine-Rhur region in this instance. Would seem to perhaps have better local support, & at the same time, gives another locale in Germany to host the Olympics. Rhine-Rhur as their viable and supported option right now. Still, can't see IOC moving to this multi-towns land over any other big Euro core city or new frontier coming up. Also, the name doesn't sound so catchy. Quote
FYI Posted August 15, 2022 Report Posted August 15, 2022 4 hours ago, fusilli said: Rhine-Rhur as their viable and supported option right now. Still, can't see IOC moving to this multi-towns land over any other big Euro core city or new frontier coming up. It's not like the 2028 & 2032 Olympic hosts are exactly compact either. So the IOC isn't allergic to some sprawl. What's more important here, though, is the country where Rhine-Ruhr is located. Europe's economic powerhouse, Western Europe's most populous country & a strong Olympic partner which hasn't any Olympics since 1972. That's a pretty attractive package that I can't see the IOC just ignoring. Especially when you consider some of the other possible European locales: Moscow? Maybe last year it was an option, but now, not so much. Madrid? Sure, if you like scorching summer weather in the mandated July/Aug. timeframe. London? While maybe attractive for a fourth run, let's go somewhere else in Europe that hasn't hosted in quite some time before returning to London yet again so soon, Olympic-wise. Rome? Perhaps, but something tells me that the IOC would like to see how 2026 in Milan turns out first. Budapest? Umm, sounds a bit like a mini-Moscow in the making these days. Istanbul? This could perhaps be a ('new frontier') wildcard. But I'd still give the edge to Germany on this one. As to the other new frontiers that you could possibly be referring to: Doha or "new" Cairo? Yeah, sure. Monsoon India, (again) in the mandated July/Aug. timeframe? Sinking Jakarta (or the other delusion of the 'newly' constructed Indonesian capital)? So, after looking at that list, I'd say that the only thing that could stop a German 2036 Olympics, are the Germans themselves. 4 hours ago, fusilli said: Also, the name doesn't sound so catchy. Yeah, cause I'm sure that's one of the top IOC criterias in regards to host cities. PyeongChang or Garmisch-Partenkirchen anyone. Quote
fusilli Posted August 15, 2022 Report Posted August 15, 2022 4 hours ago, FYI said: It's not like the 2028 & 2032 Olympic hosts are exactly compact either. S Yes but they are still core city targeted. Anything like diluted geographic sprawl. Quote Yeah, cause I'm sure that's one of the top IOC criterias in regards to host cities. Not the top but still being revelant to the message. Quote
StefanMUC Posted August 15, 2022 Report Posted August 15, 2022 5 hours ago, FYI said: It's not like the 2028 & 2032 Olympic hosts are exactly compact either. So the IOC isn't allergic to some sprawl. What's more important here, though, is the country where Rhine-Ruhr is located. Europe's economic powerhouse, Western Europe's most populous country & a strong Olympic partner which hasn't any Olympics since 1972. That's a pretty attractive package that I can't see the IOC just ignoring. Especially when you consider some of the other possible European locales: Moscow? Maybe last year it was an option, but now, not so much. Madrid? Sure, if you like scorching summer weather in the mandated July/Aug. timeframe. London? While maybe attractive for a fourth run, let's go somewhere else in Europe that hasn't hosted in quite some time before returning to London yet again so soon, Olympic-wise. Rome? Perhaps, but something tells me that the IOC would like to see how 2026 in Milan turns out first. Budapest? Umm, sounds a bit like a mini-Moscow in the making these days. Istanbul? This could perhaps be a ('new frontier') wildcard. But I'd still give the edge to Germany on this one. As to the other new frontiers that you could possibly be referring to: Doha or "new" Cairo? Yeah, sure. Monsoon India, (again) in the mandated July/Aug. timeframe? Sinking Jakarta (or the other delusion of the 'newly' constructed Indonesian capital)? So, after looking at that list, I'd say that the only thing that could stop a German 2036 Olympics, are the Germans themselves. Yeah, cause I'm sure that's one of the top IOC criterias in regards to host cities. PyeongChang or Garmisch-Partenkirchen anyone. Or Milan-Cortina If the IOC wants the Olympics to be fit for the future and not entirely dictatordependant, they’ll have to accept regional bids at some point anyway. And yes, Germans are Germany’s biggest obstacle, in many ways… Quote
yoshi Posted August 15, 2022 Report Posted August 15, 2022 I guess it'd be called NRW 2036, just like the Commonwealth Games in Victoria. Quote
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