Ahmedabad 2036

[StefanMUC]

20 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

Shanghai new year crush kills 36

That was in 2015. You might also want to look up similar incidents in England, Germany, Korea and more. All are tragic.

Or actually literally close to his home. Non-quake proof buildings will likely and sadly cost far more lives in Istanbul at some point sooner than later than the sum of tragic public transport accidents ever will.

Seems like yet another attempt to discredit a bid rival more than anything else TBH.

[texan]

7 minutes ago, StefanMUC said:

Or actually literally close to his home. Non-quake proof buildings will likely and sadly cost far more lives in Istanbul at some point sooner than later than the sum of tragic public transport accidents ever will.

Seems like yet another attempt to discredit a bid rival more than anything else TBH.

Oh wow. Pointing out the Indian government's failures is a crime now?

You are comparing the Indian government's negligence and a possible natural disaster that may or may not occur. The Indian government is 100% responsible for what happened there. Maybe they should have invested in public services instead of building the largest temples and statues. 

[StefanMUC]

1 hour ago, texan said:

The Indian government is 100% responsible for what happened there. Maybe they should have invested in public services instead of building the largest temples and statues. 

Not disagreeing with that.

Now let’s look at the failure of the Turkish govt to control building regulations that led to the 2023 disaster maybe?

Let’s be transparent that all governments in 2036 bidding countries (that includes my own, if we decide to bid) have flaws in one way or another. A tragedy like the one you quoted can however happen anywhere (see Rols’ post) as well, no need to get on the high horse here and pretend this has any serious impact on the Olympic bid.

[texan]

9 minutes ago, StefanMUC said:

Not disagreeing with that.

Now let’s look at the failure of the Turkish govt to control building regulations that led to the 2023 disaster maybe?

Let’s be transparent that all governments in 2036 bidding countries (that includes my own, if we decide to bid) have flaws in one way or another. A tragedy like the one you quoted can however happen anywhere (see Rols’ post) as well, no need to get on the high horse here and pretend this has any serious impact on the Olympic bid.

I think you're taking the context to a whole new level. The incident in India was a very preventable issue, yet you're drawing a comparison with a natural disaster and engaging in whataboutism. I wouldn't make the same argument if it had been the result of an earthquake or flood.

I'm not saying the Turkish government didn't fail. Of course, they did. But how can you compare two completely different issues? Yes, Turkey, like Greece, Italy, and Albania, is in a seismically active region due to the Arabian plate pushing the Anatolian plate toward the Eurasian plate, which causes seismic activity. This is not a new phenomenon. A scientist from Göttingen University recently stated that Turkey is physically separating from the Middle East through a tectonic tear. However, Turkey's earthquake regulations are aligned with those of Japan, as they were revised after the 1999 earthquake. Most of the buildings that collapsed in the 2023 earthquake were constructed in 2023, and I don't even want to mention the magnitude of the earthquake. This is like criticizing the German government for failing after the floods.

A tragedy like the one in India can't happen just anywhere. No! Stop normalizing preventable incidents. I've already explained how different and widespread that event was. In Mumbai, almost one person dies on average every day while using public transport. Of course, accidents happen but this is too much. These points need to be highlighted. This is pure government negligence; it's not something unexpected. If IOC is not looking at such problems, why are they talking about sustainability, social and environmental effects, etc? I am not trying to discredit the Indian bid but to be very frank, I think it is the worst bid amongst all candidates. This is my opinion.

 

[sebastien1214]

In terms of negligence, we can't say that the Turks are well placed to criticize other governments before theirs. What if we talked about the terrible toll of the 2023 earthquake with a horrible toll caused in large part by the ultra-corrupt sector of Turkish construction companies against which Erdogan and his government did nothing serious? And here we are not talking about a few dozen deaths like in India, but tens of thousands.

(because earthquakes may not be avoidable, but their dramatic consequences are largely avoidable. Go see Japan).

I dare to hope that the strategy of the Turkish Olympic Committee to bring the Games to Istanbul is much more intelligent than the contributions of the Turkish members of this forum which boils down to "look how bad the others are, we are the best"; even the French were less arrogant in 2005 and we still found that they were already too arrogant for having lost to London.

[texan]

Oh, wow. So now we're discussing nationalities? How did we even get to that point? I was simply pointing out a problem. Why is that a problem for you?

I remember hearing people talk about the catastrophic earthquake in 2023 under Istanbul 2036 page. Some people shut them down by pointing out how irrelevant that is since earthquake-prone countries like Japan, Italy, the USA (California), and Greece have hosted the Olympic Games. But it’s awful how people reduce these issues to mere statistics.

I never intended to say, “Look how bad the other bids are,” but I do feel compelled to say, “Look how flawed the Indian bid is.” I’m not making those same points about the Korean, Indonesian, or Chilean bids, am I? So why are you so defensive? Public transport in India is a huge issue, and it’s a critical component of hosting the Games. Why don’t you see that? I can’t believe people are now bringing up earthquakes, nationality, and discrediting other bids just to deflect from the conversation.

PS: Nobody and I repeat NOBODY can beat the French in arrogance. You simply lost to London.

[sebastien1214]

Only you here claim that the nationality of some and others on this forum can be a problem for anyone; because you know perfectly well that it has never been a question here, and that you need to invent false pretexts to try to arouse an indignation that no one will fall for because no one is fooled.

You think, rightly, that exploiting the human tragedy that tens of thousands of Turks experienced following the earthquake is not a worthy argument to raise an objection against Istanbul's candidacy - and I think the same thing and I had also said it on the topic. However, you are ultimately doing the same thing by exploiting the death of 18 people in a context and an event that have nothing to do with the Olympics. Based on this simple fact and this simple observation, we cannot take you seriously at all.

When seeing news such as the death of 18 people, the first thing that comes to mind is to say (implying) "you see, this country does not deserve the Olympics!", it is just as indecent as for the victims of the earthquake. There is nothing more to add.

[baron-pierreIV]

OK, time for me to throw a monkey wrench here.  How come no one has mentioned the 125 dead at the football match in Indonesia in October 2022? 

Indonesia: At least 125 dead in football stadium crush 
I think this incident takes the cake in terms of sports-related tragedies that could've been avoided.  

So, do we count Indonesia out for 2036?? 🤪

[texan]

I think it is just a waste of time at this point. I can't believe you googled tragic events in Indonesia... I made my point clear. I don't have time for your unnecessary drama.

[AustralianFan]

Ahmedabad 2036:  Olympic Update

This is an update on India’s 2036 Olympic bid basedin Ahmedabad is from the the Times of India - 6 March 2025:

• Construction  of the Olympic Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel (SVP) Sports Enclave will begin in 2026. 
• A cornerstone of Ahmedabad's Olympic vision is the creation of the ‘Central Park' for the city—spread over 70 acres—strategically designed as a ‘heat sink', incorporating shade trees and green spaces to mitigate the effects of Ahmedabad's climate. "Smart paving technologies that absorb rather than radiate heat are also being considered”
• Ahmedabad is exploring Public-Private Partnerships (PPP) and focusing on venues with clear post-Olympic utility.
• The proposed facilities—including a multipurpose arena, adaptive aquatic centre, and fully covered tennis courts—are designed with long-term commercial viability in mind.

[sebastien1214]

https://m.economictimes.com/news/defence/turkish-drones-what-explains-erdogans-hand-behind-pakistans-aggression/articleshow/121035328.cms

Erdogan giving suicide drones to Pakistan to fly to Ahmedabad to eliminate a competitor for 2036. We should thank the Turks for their ability to revive interest in the Olympic bids, in the absence of a return to the old system, they still found something to "entertain" us.

(This is an Indian newspaper, so it's obviously biased. I just took the first article I had for the joke)

[StefanMUC]

6 hours ago, sebastien1214 said:

https://m.economictimes.com/news/defence/turkish-drones-what-explains-erdogans-hand-behind-pakistans-aggression/articleshow/121035328.cms

Erdogan giving suicide drones to Pakistan to fly to Ahmedabad to eliminate a competitor for 2036. We should thank the Turks for their ability to revive interest in the Olympic bids, in the absence of a return to the old system, they still found something to "entertain" us.

(This is an Indian newspaper, so it's obviously biased. I just took the first article I had for the joke)

Two of the frontrunners for 2036 taking themselves out (or at least risking their pretence of political stability) within a few weeks…

While the 2036 decision may still be a bit further down the road (but who knows with the current secrecy when there‘ll be white smoke in Lausanne all of a sudden…), as long as Erdogan keeps arresting his opponents and Modi is willing to engage in war with Pakistan (while suppressing Muslims in India), maybe that South Korean province doesn‘t look so unattractive anymore to the IOC.

[yoshi]

I still get that there's the reluctant but might this actually make Germany change strategy & go for 36 again? They made the decision to go for 40 quite some time ago, & with the 36 competition now eliminating themselves and each other - & a new President & maybe bidding method coming in Lausanne - surely it's worth reconsidering?

Edit: same goes for Madrid & any other potential European candidates for 36 who had started moving to 40. With the two favourites now in this position, it's surely changed the race completely. 

Edited May 10, 2025 by yoshi

[StefanMUC]

4 hours ago, yoshi said:

I still get that there's the reluctant but might this actually make Germany change strategy & go for 36 again? They made the decision to go for 40 quite some time ago, & with the 36 competition now eliminating themselves and each other - & a new President & maybe bidding method coming in Lausanne - surely it's worth reconsidering?

Edit: same goes for Madrid & any other potential European candidates for 36 who had started moving to 40. With the two favourites now in this position, it's surely changed the race completely. 

The thing is: DOSB has not made any firm decision on anything yet. They say they keep everything open 2036-2044, bid location to be chosen next year only etc. You might call that keeping all options while in reality they‘re just too focussed on yet another leadership debate and are completely detached from the backdoor talks going on at the IOC.

[AustralianFan]

Ahmedabad Plane Crash

An Air India 787 aircraft bound for Gatwick has crashed and burned seconds after takeoff  into a residential area of Ahmedabad.

232 passengers and 12 crew were onboard.  Casualty numbers on the ground undetermined at this stage except that the plane crashed into accommodation for doctors.

Air India Crash in Ahmedabad - ABC News Australia

[baron-pierreIV]

Yup, that crash is NOT a good sign for Ahmedabad'36's hopes.  I really feel heartsick for the loss of life and the Dreamliner 787 is my favorite aircraft, too!!  Such a marvelous craft.  I think Airbus must've sabotaged this particular craft!!! 

[Scotguy II]

I don't think this terrible tragedy will do anything to hinder the 2036 hope. Those games are still 11 years away and crashes as such happen anywhere in the world.

[cfm Jeremie]

2 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said:

.  I think Airbus must've sabotaged this particular craft!!! 

Absolutely distasteful (even for you). Hundreds of people just died, thousands of relatives are mourning , can't you respect that before making a joke about it?

[Rob2012]

It's yet to be determined who's fault it is. If it's Boeing's (hardly out of the question in recent years) then I don't know why that would impact India's hopes.

Reading this evening that one person survived, walking away from it. Which is insane. Imagine though being the only survivor of something like this...   

[AustralianFan]

17 minutes ago, Rob2012 said:

It's yet to be determined who's fault it is. If it's Boeing's (hardly out of the question in recent years) then I don't know why that would impact India's hopes.

Reading this evening that one person survived, walking away from it. Which is insane. Imagine though being the only survivor of something like this...   

Yes that’s true.  While there’s lots of speculation online about what caused this, it remains the first ever 787 to ever crash.     The 787 is a very sleek modern aircraft and the relatively low speed of the impact will hopefully enable full recovery of the data in the black box recorders in the investigation.

Here’s one of the videos of it:

https://youtu.be/Xtag-8D9YZo?si=cB_z9qsSE_v91Ubm

The way the Air India 787 slowly descended down into the ground, almost as if it was landing, reminded me of the Air France A320 airbus aircraft which slowly descended into the forest while making a low pass over Mulhouse–Habsheim Airfield (ICAO airport as part of the Habsheim Air Show in 1988.  The pilots back then had the aircraft’s computer incorrectly set for “landing”, not a low pass, and so that’s what the aircraft did - it “landed” in the forest.

 

[sebastien1214]

This is a painful event, and our first thoughts should be with the victims and their families.

I am surprised, however, that this crash was the subject of a post on the Indian bid thread for 2036 (when the two are completely unrelated), while during the South Korean plane crash last December, there were, to my knowledge, no posts about it on the South Korean bid thread.

33 minutes ago, Rob2012 said:

walking away from it. 

That's the most incredible thing. Everyone around him is dead, and he's not even seriously injured or in a coma, he's walking normally as if he were going about his usual workday. He must have some serious positive karma (to stick with the Indian theme).

[baron-pierreIV]

9 hours ago, cfm Jeremie said:

Absolutely distasteful (even for you). Hundreds of people just died, thousands of relatives are mourning , can't you respect that before making a joke about it?

it wasn't a joke, DUMMY!!  You made it out to be a joke!! You're even more DEPRAVED than I am!!

[AustralianFan]

If the Bidding Process is Changed, how will this affect India 2036’s chances?

With Kirsty Coventry becoming IOC President on 23 June, what she does about the current bidding process is being keenly followed, particularly by the India 2036 bid team.

From ITG

“A key question remains: will she maintain Bach’s approach of allowing a “preferred bid” to bypass competition and enter exclusive negotiations?”

“If no changes are made to the process and IOC members remain excluded from selecting the host city, India is widely seen as the frontrunner. Coventry was directly asked about the influence of Ambani within the IOC, given her family’s status as one of Asia’s wealthiest.”

“The Indian Olympic Association (IOA) has already submitted an expression of interest to the IOC’s Future Host Commission for the 2036 Games—marking the first concrete step in what has been months of informal discussions with the governing body.”

“With this move, India has advanced from the 'Informal Dialogue' phase to 'Continuous Dialogue' in the selection process. At this stage, the IOC assesses the feasibility of potential host cities and their Olympic-related plans.”

“The next step would be 'Targeted Dialogue', requiring a formal bid for a specific Games edition, which would then be evaluated by the Future Host Commission. The process ultimately concludes with the selection of the host city.”

Credit: Coventry commits to Olympic bid process review - ITG

[AustralianFan]

With the Gamesbids.com news today that the Ahmedabad bid delegation who visited IOC HQ have returned to India with the sobering news that they have some major issues to fix, this bid has a long way to go before they can be in a competitive position for the 2036 Games.

It seems no progress has been made since the IOC issued governance warnings re to them in the last year.

 

 

[myki]

Would the IOC perhaps tread carefully with Ahmedabad and wait and see if/how a Commonwealth Games holds up first - through their planning, preparation and execution. Then if all goes well, an easy decision on a future Olympic Games after that perhaps.