Brisbane 2032

[AustralianFan]

6 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

Are you still in Greece, AF?

Yes still in Greece (its 00:24am and we’ve been at thr beach all day, it was gorgeous!).   At the moment we’re staying in a little hotel in Kannoli on the mainland. at the moment and after bekkie tomorrow in a few hours, we’re off with our car on a little ferry over from Galatas port to the nearby island of Poros where we spent a romantic time exactly 20 years ago when we met while working at the Athens 2004 Olympic Games.  We’re going to retrace our steps from 20 years ago there and spendc3 nights on Poros. Should be fun, its hard to believe 20 years has flown by.

[FYI]

You must have GREAT Wi-Fi service everywhere you go then!

[Sir Rols]

Okay. Good that you’re making the most of hotel wifi I guess. Enjoy!

[sebastien1214]

1 minute ago, FYI said:

You must have GREAT Wi-Fi service everywhere you go then!

Actually, in Europe, it's not surprising. Even in Moldova I found public wifi, and I was only a few kilometers from Transnistria.

[AustralianFan]

4 minutes ago, sebastien1214 said:

I find about 80% of your message almost insulting because I feel like you are treating me like a 4-year-old child discovering the Olympic Games and how they work:

- I know that the New Norm begins with a phase of Continuous Dialogue, which precedes a phase of Targeted Dialogue (before final attribution)
- I know how it happened for 2030/2034

Afterwards, for the fact that Thomas Bach himself says that there are more than 10 cities with whom he is discussing, well if you want to believe it without trying to have other versions, it's your problem, not mine. I just find it sad not to have a critical mind (not to be in systematic opposition; but to try to have all the elements in order to understand)

In the meantime, "discussing with cities" can mean a lot of things: it can include projects that are already well advanced like those in India, but it can also be WhatsApp exchanges with the president of Indonesia based on "Are you interested in the Games? Yeah, why not" without a real project. Because I'm sorry, but it's not new that the IOC has been discreetly surveying cities themselves to see if it might interest them. It's been like that for decades. Except that with the "old norm", we saw that those who were interested but not too much (or not ready at all) gave up along the way, since there was something really institutionalized. There, as I say, with the New norm, where everything is vague, we do not know what part of these cities is discussing but which will never go through with it (in the sense of providing a solid file)

Thomas Bach himself is not involved in the Continuous Dialogue discussion with cities interested in hosting. That is all done by the Future Host Commission.

No solid files are put forward by interested parties in the Continuous Dialogue stage.

That only happens if and when one or more cities are sekected for Targeted Dialogue, also known as ‘Preferred Bidder’.

The IOC and the Future Host Commission do no divulge who exactly is in Continuous Dialogue and they leave it up to that interested city to voluntarily divulge their identity to the media if they so choose.

Yes, you’re right and while not confirmed, I’m suspecting India 2036 may be under serious consideration for progressing to Targeted Dialogue, as would be Seoul.

Its late here in Greece and I can’t remember off-hand some other suspected 2036 interested parties.

 

[FYI]

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as would be Seoul.

Most likely as a back-up, if that's the case.

[AustralianFan]

11 minutes ago, FYI said:

You must have GREAT Wi-Fi service everywhere you go then!

 

11 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

Okay. Good that you’re making the most of hotel wifi I guess. Enjoy!

 

10 minutes ago, sebastien1214 said:

Actually, in Europe, it's not surprising. Even in Moldova I found public wifi, and I was only a few kilometers from Transnistria.

Yes Greece is fantastic for wifi. Every cafe, restaurant, taverna, beach bar, some retail stores, ferry have free wifi and they happily promote and give you the password.

[Brekkie Boy]

2 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

In what way exactly are the Brisbane 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Games a “huge jump down in scale” ?

You seriously think Brisbane's plans are on a par with what Paris is delivering and LA pledging to deliver?  

48 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

@sebastien1214 Brisbane is the first city in history to, under the IOC’s  New Norm to be assessed, recommended and then elected by the IOC full session to host an Olympic and Paralympic Games.   

These Games will be staged primarily in South East Queensland (population 4.016 million) and based in Australia’s third largest city, Brisbane.

Brisbane’s Host Election and the introduction of the IOC’s New Norm has triggered a significant upsurge in interest from around the world to host future Olympic Games, particularly the 2036 edition which has the number of interested cities in double figures.

Compare this to recent years sustained dwindling interest and candidate withdrawls, resulting in Paris and Los Angeles being the  two candidates left standing for the 2024 Games.  From this, mutual agreement was obtained between the two that Paris would host the 2024 Games and Los Angeles the 2028 edition.

The test of the new norm will be in delivering the games, not "winning" the rights to host the games in a process which excluded all other potential bidders.

2030/32/34 will be the first test of that but the summer games is the biggest risk of the three.   I wish Brisbane the best of luck but at this moment in time we've got to get to the point where they actually host the games.

2024 had low interest but two candidates that warranted the double award, but that of course meant interest in 2028 was untested.   We know there were multiple cities eyeing up 2032 but the process was ended before it began.   

It's a real shame it was a process that left huge questions over the suitability of the choice of Brisbane due to the lack of transparency and them not being able to show on a public stage why they would be the best option to host.  What has happened in the three years since has only added more questions over the choice.

[sebastien1214]

6 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

Thomas Bach himself is not involved in the Continuous Dialogue discussion with cities interested in hosting. That is all done by the Future Host Commission.

No solid files are put forward by interested parties in the Continuous Dialogue stage.

That only happens if and when one or more cities are sekected for Targeted Dialogue, also known as ‘Preferred Bidder’.

The IOC and the Future Host Commission do no divulge who exactly is in Continuous Dialogue and they leave it up to that interested city to voluntarily divulge their identity to the media if they so choose.

Yes, you’re right and while not confirmed, I’m suspecting India 2036 may be under serious consideration for progressing to Targeted Dialogue, as would be Seoul.

Its late here in Greece and I can’t remember off-hand some other suspected 2036 interested parties.

 

For someone who is not supposed to be involved in the first phase of the application for this New Norm, it is very surprising that he knows the number of cities he is talking to himself.

I will then add this, concerning the French Alps 2030 (therefore under the standard of the New Norm). On June 8, 2023, Thomas Bach was received at the Elysée by Emmanuel Macron. At that time, there was no question of a French Alps 2030 candidacy. And at that time, things also seemed to be going badly for the IOC concerning 2030, since SLC mainly wanted 2034, and only Sweden remained, except that the IOC was not keen on Sweden. (I think Sapporo had already given up). In short, the IOC needed a new candidate.

Only two or three weeks later (I no longer have the exact date but it was late June/early July), Emmanuel Macron invited Renaud Muselier and Laurent Wauquiez, the two presidents of the PACA & AURA regions, to a dinner. The aim of this dinner was to get them to agree to... submit a joint application for 2030. Funny coincidence in terms of timing, don't you think?

[FYI]

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You seriously think Brisbane's plans are on a par with what Paris is delivering and LA pledging to deliver?  

Yes, they really do think that (in case you haven't noticed).

[AustralianFan]

9 hours ago, Brekkie Boy said:

Blatantly clear under it's current plans Brisbane is not fit to host the games. It risks damaging the momentum of Paris and LA by being a huge stepdown in scale.

 

8 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

In what way exactly are the Brisbane 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Games a “huge jump down in scale” ?

 

5 hours ago, Brekkie Boy said:

You seriously think Brisbane's plans are on a par with what Paris is delivering and LA pledging to deliver?  

 

5 hours ago, Brekkie Boy said:

The test of the new norm will be in delivering the games

2030/32/34 will be the first test of that but the summer games is the biggest risk of the three.   I wish Brisbane the best of luck but at this moment in time we've got to get to the point where they actually host the games.

 Aith 8 years to go,  Brisbane are on track with it’s venue plan except for the stadium issue.  Brisbane is no orphan as a Host City with stadium issues, or  track and field venue, as another way of putting it.

The switch by the current Queensland government from rebuilding the Gabba to refirbushing QSAC as the Track and Field stadium should be sorted out once and for all when the state election is held in October and when there is widely tipped to be a change of government over to the opposition LNP party the leader of which has pledged to have the stadium issue sorted within 100 days.

This is a link to the Brisbane Venue plan summary posted a few days ago in the Venues thread on page 20 which I’m not sure if you saw..  This is drawn from the Brisbane 2032 and Brisbane Development.com websites.

With 8 years to go, and the majority of venues either existing already or temporary venues, Brisbane 2032 is well positioned to deliver a successful Olympic and Paralympic Games in 2032.

 

 

 

[Victorian]

Jessica Fox will join the Brisbane 2032 board having been elected onto the IOC Athletes Commission and therefore becoming an IOC member.

 

https://www.olympics.com.au/news/jessica-fox-voted-onto-ioc-athletes-commission/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0BMQABHQkQXQ2pV58_4H_TQyWbhMzhHBCvjqtHJRLcTNceVF1MdPl6yUxkuUdNlg_aem_9g-JDmOz0SC9RjGo9VdkQA

[Brekkie Boy]

No quicker way to go from Olympic Hero to Olympic Zero than joining the IOC!

[Gonzo]

Only 8 years now until Atlanta Mk 2

Huzzah!

[Gonzo]

Welcome to the world of Brisbane folks, nothing to see here, just a place where snakes eat Kangaroos in inner city suburbia

Plan your 2032 trip now!

 

[StefanMUC]

Kangaroo meat is healthy, so good on that snake.

And what is „inner city suburbia“? I mean if there ever was an Oxymoron?

[Gonzo]

52 minutes ago, StefanMUC said:

And what is „inner city suburbia“?

Must be an Australian thing ... common usage here

https://www.google.com/search?q="inner+city+suburbia"

[Sir Rols]

Who needs an Eiffel Tower when….

The Big Pineapple Is Back!!!!!!!!!!

Sweet dreams are made of this: Queensland’s Big Pineapple is back. Is it still a big deal?

 

Clarke has her own suggestion for a future use of Queensland’s favourite big thing. It came to her after watching the Paris Olympics and wondering how Brisbane might match the Eiffel Tower when the Queensland capital hosts the games in 2032.

“What better building have we got to offer the world than the Big Pineapple?”

Edited August 24 by Sir Rols

[Gonzo]

QSAC option was offered up by the AOC after the QLD Government had decided they would cancel the entire games!

https://www.4bc.com.au/podcast/exclusive-the-games-were-going-to-be-expendable-labor-had-planned-to-cancel-the-2032-olympics/

[AustralianFan]

4 hours ago, Gonzo said:

QSAC option was offered up by the AOC after the QLD Government had decided they would cancel the entire games!

https://www.4bc.com.au/podcast/exclusive-the-games-were-going-to-be-expendable-labor-had-planned-to-cancel-the-2032-olympics/

If we earned a dollar from every time I heard a journalist say “from an impeccable source”  or  “from a reliable source”,   we’d all be millionaires.

On some of the other matters he raises in his radio show around (eg a warm-up track) and that both sides of politics Labor and LNP do not have a credibIe stadium plan, I don’t disagree.   

However, this journalist then comes unstuck with the truth around the 06:00 minute mark when he talks about “Labor’s 100-day review”,  when in fact it is the opposition LNP leader Crisafulli who wants a 100-day review if he gets elected but refuses to commit to a new stadium before the election. 

 

[Sir Rols]

4 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

However, this journalist then comes unstuck with the truth around the 06:00 minute mark when he talks about “Labor’s 100-day review”,  when in fact it is the opposition LNP leader Crisafulli who wants a 100-day review if he gets elected but refuses to commit to a new stadium before the election. 

He was referring to Labor’s 100 day review back in Jan-March this year

 

[AustralianFan]

1 hour ago, Sir Rols said:

He was referring to Labor’s 100 day review back in Jan-March this year

 

Actually that’s incorrect.  It was a 60-day sport venue report by Graham Quirk, not 100, which was held earlier this year.

See the letter to the Minister on p.2 of Quirk’s Sport Venue  Report link where he refers to the 60 days he had to report and make recommendations:

Sport Venue Report - Graham Quirk  18/3/2024

This is careless journalism and this radio shock jock should have known that because there has been no other “100 Day” review other than the one and only 100-day review that the LNP opposition leader Crisafulli has been promising he will introduce after the election.

[Sir Rols]

We know what he meant. No need to be so pendantic.

[Australian Kiwi]

I've got to admit I had a chuckle at this on Facebook... its not the first I've seen either where international news have used generic images of Australia for 2032.

[AustralianFan]

Brisbane/SEQ is having a warm August at the moment so probably the effects of climate change.  August 2032 might have drier weather for the Games than we anticipated.