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I wouldn't disagree with that. I'm just confused as to why nations like Poland and the Ukraine are bidding together, when they are big enough to host alone.

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What about an all-Ireland bid?

Don't see that it would work really. The NI Ireland stadium where they play their internationals is very small nd not really top class. What else could they use in the North? Or the South for that matter...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against it at all. It would actually be great. I just don't see that happening at all, at least not for a long time and until money is spent on stadiums

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Well, they are building a new 42,000+ capacity stadium, apparently on the site of the former Maze prison. With that and a redeveloped Windsor Park, which has seen far better days, you're a quarter of the way there already.

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would you compare with this????

Roma: roma.jpg

Milano: milano_p_duomo_0.jpg

Bologna: bologna.jpeg

Torino: torino.jpg

Firenze: firenze.jpg

Genova: genova_expo_lanterna.jpg

Napoli: napoli.jpg

Palermo: cattedrale_palermo.jpg

You know, there's a story when God created our World, He gave every country and nation something beautiful and He left one small part of World for himself and designed it as a paradise. And then one nation left without land, so he gave that part of World to one nation called Croatian nation. So the paradise on this Worls is called Croatia, and nothing can be compared with her!

And now pictures of 4 cities which will host Euro 2012:

Zagreb http://www.photocroatia.com/GALLERY/photo....&u=1961|119

Split http://www.photocroatia.com/GALLERY/photo....5&u=2002|19

Rijeka http://www.photocroatia.com/GALLERY/photo....4&u=2670|13

Osijek http://www.photocroatia.com/GALLERY/photo....7&u=3233|22

Croatian National Parks

Risnjak

http://www.photocroatia.com/GALLERY/photo....83&u=3068|3

Brijuni

http://www.photocroatia.com/GALLERY/photo....7&u=2020|78

Krka

http://www.photocroatia.com/GALLERY/photo....20&u=2065|0

Velebit

http://www.photocroatia.com/GALLERY/photo....69&u=2134|9

Paklenica

http://www.photocroatia.com/GALLERY/photo....41&u=3104|5

Coast

http://www.photocroatia.com/GALLERY/photo....6&u=3159|15

http://www.photocroatia.com/GALLERY/photo....2&u=3159|39

http://www.photocroatia.com/GALLERY/photo....2&u=3159|40

http://www.photocroatia.com/GALLERY/photo....0&u=3159|52

http://www.photocroatia.com/GALLERY/photo....4&u=3159|81

http://www.photocroatia.com/GALLERY/photo....&u=3159|127

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Its Italy this , Italy that ..... sheeshhh .... Didn't you see that new Nissan Advertisment , the guy said to his dad , Italy isn't everything ....

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Its Italy this , Italy that ..... sheeshhh .... Didn't you see that new Nissan Advertisment , the guy said to his dad , Italy isn't everything ....

sorry? :huh:

sorry? what advertisement are you talking about ?:huh:

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O you don't have it

I don't think anywhere here has it nor cares about it!

Just because a commercial tells you that doesn't mean to take it literally.

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Poland&Ukraine:

4 polish and 4 ukrainian cities will be choose

Warsaw (Poland):

Total number of seats: 55,000-60,000

status: planned

Date of putting into use: 2010

project:

wars.jpg

warszawa_a_7-1.F.jpg

skanuj8pe.jpg

skanwwuj8uf.jpg

Poznan (Poland):

Total number of seats: 46,500

Status: under construction

Date of putting into use: 2010

project:

stadion_lecha_poznan15.jpg

stadion_lecha_poznan13.jpg

7.jpg

actual building progress:

p010.jpg

Gdansk (Poland):

Baltic Arena

Total number of seats: 44,000

Status: planned

Date of putting into use: 2010

project:

arena_baltycka01.jpg

arena_baltycka02.jpg

Wroclaw (Poland):

Total number of seats: 50,000

Status: planned

Date of putting into use: 2010

project: (I foun only this but AFAIK it`s not actual project)

wroclaw_st1.jpg

Krakow (Poland):

Total number of seats: 35,000

Status: under construction

Date of putting into use: 2010

project:

stadionwisla33tys-uefa.jpg

Chorzow (Poland):

Silesian Stadium

Total number of seats: 54,000

Status: under development

Date of putting into use: 2008

roof project:

1main18ip.jpg

2main12ps.jpg

Kiev (Ukraine):

Total number of seats: 83,300

Status: to be refurbished

Date of putting into use: 2010

olimpijski_kijow03.jpg

Donetsk (Ukraine):

Total number of seats: 55,000

Status: under construction

Date of putting into use: 2007

project:

roof.jpg

021.jpg

stad.jpg

Lviv (Ukraine):

Total number of seats: 40,000

Status: planned

Date of putting into use: 2009

lviv.jpg

Dnipropetrovsk (Ukraine):

Total number of seats: 34,000

Status: under construction

Date of putting into use: 2007

dnipronew16cs.jpg

dnipronew29qq.jpg

Promo videos:

GDANSK - http://www.e2012.org/bin/VTS_02_1.zip

KRAKOW - http://www.e2012.org/bin/VTS_03_1.zip

WARSZAWA - http://www.e2012.org/bin/VTS_05_1.zip

POZNAN - http://www.e2012.org/bin/VTS_04_1.zip

WROCLAW - http://www.e2012.org/bin/VTS_06_1.zip

CHORZOW - http://www.e2012.org/bin/Chorzow_Euro2012.zip

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Seems that in the next session, UEFA will consider the possibility of expanding the European Championship finals from 16 teams to 24.

The UEFA congress will take place on 25/26 Jan...that'll be a very important date for the bids, coz upgrading the bids from 16 to 24 teams to be host will be a very difficult thing.

Maybe only Italy has the power/strenght/money/stadia/organization/territory/infrastrustures/and-so-on to face such a big turnament.

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I wouldn't be so sure of that. It would be more difficult for smaller nations to host, yes, but certainly not impossible.

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I think, UEFA should not change the rules during the bidding procedure. 2016 should be the first EURO for 24 teams. But i think 16 are enough. It ensures good matches from the beginning of the tournament and not only in the final stages of the competition.

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I think the strength in depth in European football is such now that you could quite comfortably increase the number of finalists to 24 with no loss of quality.

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I'm against the "24 teams" concept. As long as the World Cup has 32 teams, it's sufficient for Europe to have "only" 16 teams for its continental championships. We currently have a very good mix of many top-class football teams and some smaller, less important teams at the EURO. If the number was increased to 24, the number of "outsider" teams would rise, too -- and the sportive quality of the EURO would suffer.

Europe might have the highest share of good football teams -- but nevertheless, a number of 24 teams allowed at the EURO with a total of only 52 UEFA member federations available would be a little bit over the top, I guess. The EURO still has to have a little bit of exclusiveness.

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I think, UEFA should not change the rules during the bidding procedure. 2016 should be the first EURO for 24 teams. But i think 16 are enough. It ensures good matches from the beginning of the tournament and not only in the final stages of the competition.

totally quote...i don't see the need of upgrade the tournament to 24 teams...!

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I wouldn't be so sure of that. It would be more difficult for smaller nations to host, yes, but certainly not impossible.

i think i can dare saying ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE...

24 teams tournament means needing 12 stadia...I think we can quite make a list of the EU Nations that can afford it, in both economical and structural way! :)

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Well since Germany used 12 stadiums for a tournament that 32 teams, I think it is possible to use 8 stadiums for a 24 match tournament, in fact its possible to use 4 if you really want to.

24 matchs means 6 groups of 6 matchs, plus 8 for 16 4 for 8 2 for 4 and 1 for 2, so its only 51 matchs, spread out over 4 weeks like the Euro is, then its possible to use 8 stadia. Its just they would be used more. the only difference is accomadations.

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Well since Germany used 12 stadiums for a tournament that 32 teams, I think it is possible to use 8 stadiums for a 24 match tournament, in fact its possible to use 4 if you really want to.

24 matchs means 6 groups of 6 matchs, plus 8 for 16 4 for 8 2 for 4 and 1 for 2, so its only 51 matchs, spread out over 4 weeks like the Euro is, then its possible to use 8 stadia. Its just they would be used more. the only difference is accomadations.

yeah...good analysis! :)

but if you focus on accomodations and non-sport-organization, it's even harder for the little ones, don't you agree?

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I'm against the "24 teams" concept. As long as the World Cup has 32 teams, it's sufficient for Europe to have "only" 16 teams for its continental championships. We currently have a very good mix of many top-class football teams and some smaller, less important teams at the EURO. If the number was increased to 24, the number of "outsider" teams would rise, too -- and the sportive quality of the EURO would suffer.

Europe might have the highest share of good football teams -- but nevertheless, a number of 24 teams allowed at the EURO with a total of only 52 UEFA member federations available would be a little bit over the top, I guess. The EURO still has to have a little bit of exclusiveness.

Since the European Championship went from eight to 16 for 1996, the following European nations have taken part in major championships:

Austria (most recently World Cup 1998)

Belgium (World Cup 2002)

Bulgaria (Euro 2004)

Croatia (World Cup 2006)

Czech Republic (World Cup 2006)

Denmark (Euro 2004)

England (World Cup 2006)

France (World Cup 2006)

Germany (World Cup 2006)

Greece (Euro 2004)

Holland (World Cup 2006)

Italy (World Cup 2006)

Latvia (Euro 2004)

Norway (World Cup 1998)

Poland (World Cup 2006)

Portugal (World Cup 2006)

Republic of Ireland (World Cup 2002)

Romania (Euro 2000)

Russia (Euro 2004)

Scotland (World Cup 1998)

Serbia (previously as Serbia and Montenegro and as Yugoslavia) (World Cup 2006)

Slovenia (World Cup 2002)

Spain (World Cup 2006)

Sweden (World Cup 2006)

Switzerland (World Cup 2006)

Turkey (World Cup 2002)

Ukraine (World Cup 2006)

That is a total of 27 nations. The standard of football across Europe is getting stronger all the time. More and more nations are producing good quality sides. Surely that fact should be recognised.

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yeah...good analysis! :)

but if you focus on accomodations and non-sport-organization, it's even harder for the little ones, don't you agree?

Depends, some smaller countries because of tourism have large amounts of accomadations.

I think it would limit small country-small country bids.

But Germany could bid with Denmark, England with Scotland or Wales. It would just be say 8 in Germany and 4 in Denmark.

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Why would nations like England and Germany want to bid with smaller neighbours when they could host just as well alone? There's nothing wrong with proper joint bids.

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Reading an article about euro2012...the journalist says in his comments that there are rumors within UEFA about Poland-Ukraine abondoning the championship bid race. Someone has more info about that?

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i read it in a post of an italian forum. a member posted an interview of a crotian manager involved in the candidature and during the article the journalist wrote that thing about Poland-Ukraine. The fact is the member didn't post the reference...

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